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pkgrl · 21st July 2002, 09:18 PM

Well, I'm not sure how to start this, but here goes nothin'. In another thread, we bagan discussing how Star Wars orginated and it led to a discussion on the basic plots used in ALL fiction. So, with fun in mind, let's see if we can find the elements in the entire SW saga that match the following plot points:

(Feel free to ask me to add to or adjust the definitions)

Quest -- A journey to find something or someone, or accomplish some task
Adventure -- Excitement for excitement's sake
Pursuit -- A chase
Rescue -- to free or save from danger, either physical, psychological or emotional
Escape -- to gain freedom of some kind, either physical, psychological or emotional
Revenge -- to inflict damage, injury, or punishment in retaliation for something
The Riddle -- any problem, puzzle, or unanswered question (we should find LOTS)
Rivalry -- competition between individuals or groups
Underdog -- the individual or group most likely to lose
Temptation -- an enticement of any kind
Metamorphosis -- change of form, shape, structure or substance
Transformation -- a change in the condition, nature, or function of someone or something
Maturation -- how individuals grow up, become wiser, learn from experiences
Love -- in every capacity from the individual to something as large as life itself
Forbidden Love -- that loving attachment that is in some way prohibited or illegal
Sacrifice -- the act of giving up, destroying, permitting injury to, or forgoing something valued for he sake of something/someone else
Discovery -- the act of finding or learning something new, especially if one is the FIRST
Wretched Excess -- action or conduct that goes despicablely beyond the usual, reasonable, or lawful limit; wanton wastefulness
Ascension -- the act of ascending or rising (in power, usually)
Descension -- the act of declining or falling

Some of the details will be easy to match up, others might cause some contraversy. But that's when it starts getting fun. So, let's start.

What details in the SW saga match these 20 plot points?

gravityvaliance · 22nd July 2002, 12:36 AM

the aspects of evil easily match excess ,yoda cowering etc.

the truth that its a great adventure however exist//2 sibs tear through battle discover they are in fact sibs,the presence of a great trainer mithraly invokes new hopes,fine lightsaber tech shows finessive hipiffany

palitable is for Palpitine,but is 1 string bikini fice to ice to Leiah

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Diamond9697 · 23rd July 2002, 02:55 AM

let's see...
Wretched excess - the destruction of Alderann seems like the big one here to me, also the hunting down of all the jedi by DV

Tabitha · 23rd July 2002, 03:01 AM

Can I make a suggestion? Perhaps we could go through the list one at a time, in order, and try to think of an appropriate scenario for each plot element in pkgrl's list? It would make it more of a game? PLease please?

I guess the only problem would be having to come back to the first page to find out what was next! But I think we could manage...

Ok, here goes:

Quest - The droids looking for Obi Wan at the beginning of ANH.

pkgrl · 23rd July 2002, 03:04 AM

Absolutely!

I was thinking about this today, so there were a few going through my head, mostly regarding Forbidden Love.

The obvious one relating to this is Anakin and Padme, and NOT because love is forbidden in the Jedi code either. Mostly because of what Padme said by the fire. She's in politics, he's training to become a Jedi. Their lives are full and not very condusive to a relationship (or marriage) not to mention the fact that Anakin might be seen as biased if he, as a Jedi, had to negotiate some dispute that involved Padme, Naboo, Gungans, pacifists, or even women. People (especially in politics) tend to see bias where there is none, and this can create havok for all Jedi.

Then there are the slightly less obvious Forbidden Loves of Luke and Leia and Han and Leia. Different reasons why they're forbidden, but all the same....

pkgrl · 23rd July 2002, 03:11 AM

Sure thing, Tab!

I edited the first, too, so we could more easily SEE the plots....

Quest: Obi-Wan is on a quest in Ep 4 to Alderaan which becomes Luke's quest as well.

Dave · 23rd July 2002, 05:13 PM

Quest Obi-Wan has to disable the Death Star so that the MF can escape in ANH.

Adventure Before Luke learns about the ways of the Force, and his family history, or even the existence of Leia, this is all that he craves. Just a way off the planet and the dirt farm for something more exciting.

Diamond9697 · 24th July 2002, 01:28 AM

Quest: Finding the shield generator and diableing it so that they can destroy the shield around the second Death Star in Episode 6.

Tabitha · 24th July 2002, 03:33 AM

Pursuit: Luke and Leia's Speeder Chase through the forests of Endor

ps Nice edit pkgrl - that's all nice and clear now

pkgrl · 24th July 2002, 03:54 AM

Rescue: can I just say, "duh" first. :naughty: The rescue of Princess Leia from her captivity on the Death Star...

Also, the rescue of Luke from his entrapment under Cloud City in ESB.

Also, the rescue of Luke from capture by the Tuskin Raiders in ANH.

Also....

Tabitha · 24th July 2002, 05:02 AM

:lol:

Escape: Again so many to choose from! The escape from the Death Star in ANH will do for now

Dave · 24th July 2002, 12:24 PM

Rescue There are lots of Rescues, that's true.

The biggest rescue theme would be Han from Jabba the Hut.

None of the rescues ever seem to go according to plan though. Usually, they end up as more of a Escape for the rescued and the rescuers.

pkgrl · 24th July 2002, 01:14 PM

Good point!

Another one that didn't go according to plan, that started out as a quest and became an escape/rescue/quest fulfillment was the trip to the shield generator bunker on Endor.

Diamond9697 · 25th July 2002, 03:55 AM

Rescue: Atempted Rescue of his mother by Anakin from the Tuskin Raiders
Escape: Dooku's escape from Obi-Wan, Anakin and Yoda in Ep II

21st July 2002, 09:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
pkgrl Ultimate J/A shipper! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,423	Star Wars and the basic plot elements: A game of sorts Well, I'm not sure how to start this, but here goes nothin'. In another thread, we bagan discussing how Star Wars orginated and it led to a discussion on the basic plots used in ALL fiction. So, with fun in mind, let's see if we can find the elements in the entire SW saga that match the following plot points: (Feel free to ask me to add to or adjust the definitions) Quest -- A journey to find something or someone, or accomplish some task Adventure -- Excitement for excitement's sake Pursuit -- A chase Rescue -- to free or save from danger, either physical, psychological or emotional Escape -- to gain freedom of some kind, either physical, psychological or emotional Revenge -- to inflict damage, injury, or punishment in retaliation for something The Riddle -- any problem, puzzle, or unanswered question (we should find LOTS) Rivalry -- competition between individuals or groups Underdog -- the individual or group most likely to lose Temptation -- an enticement of any kind Metamorphosis -- change of form, shape, structure or substance Transformation -- a change in the condition, nature, or function of someone or something Maturation -- how individuals grow up, become wiser, learn from experiences Love -- in every capacity from the individual to something as large as life itself Forbidden Love -- that loving attachment that is in some way prohibited or illegal Sacrifice -- the act of giving up, destroying, permitting injury to, or forgoing something valued for he sake of something/someone else Discovery -- the act of finding or learning something new, especially if one is the FIRST Wretched Excess -- action or conduct that goes despicablely beyond the usual, reasonable, or lawful limit; wanton wastefulness Ascension -- the act of ascending or rising (in power, usually) Descension -- the act of declining or falling Some of the details will be easy to match up, others might cause some contraversy. But that's when it starts getting fun. So, let's start. What details in the SW saga match these 20 plot points?

22nd July 2002, 12:36 AM	#2 (permalink)
gravityvaliance Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 57	the aspects of evil easily match excess ,yoda cowering etc. the truth that its a great adventure however exist//2 sibs tear through battle discover they are in fact sibs,the presence of a great trainer mithraly invokes new hopes,fine lightsaber tech shows finessive hipiffany palitable is for Palpitine,but is 1 string bikini fice to ice to Leiah PHP Code: `do unto jedi as that wich you may wish to exist everyplace`

24th July 2002, 03:54 AM	#10 (permalink)
pkgrl Ultimate J/A shipper! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,423	Thanks! Rescue: can I just say, "duh" first. :naughty: The rescue of Princess Leia from her captivity on the Death Star... Also, the rescue of Luke from his entrapment under Cloud City in ESB. Also, the rescue of Luke from capture by the Tuskin Raiders in ANH. Also....

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23rd July 2002, 02:55 AM	#3 (permalink)
Diamond9697 Lookin Good Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,872	let's see... Wretched excess - the destruction of Alderann seems like the big one here to me, also the hunting down of all the jedi by DV

23rd July 2002, 03:01 AM	#4 (permalink)
Tabitha Save Angel! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,638	Can I make a suggestion? Perhaps we could go through the list one at a time, in order, and try to think of an appropriate scenario for each plot element in pkgrl's list? It would make it more of a game? PLease please? I guess the only problem would be having to come back to the first page to find out what was next! But I think we could manage... Ok, here goes: Quest - The droids looking for Obi Wan at the beginning of ANH.

23rd July 2002, 03:04 AM	#5 (permalink)
pkgrl Ultimate J/A shipper! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,423	Absolutely! I was thinking about this today, so there were a few going through my head, mostly regarding Forbidden Love. The obvious one relating to this is Anakin and Padme, and NOT because love is forbidden in the Jedi code either. Mostly because of what Padme said by the fire. She's in politics, he's training to become a Jedi. Their lives are full and not very condusive to a relationship (or marriage) not to mention the fact that Anakin might be seen as biased if he, as a Jedi, had to negotiate some dispute that involved Padme, Naboo, Gungans, pacifists, or even women. People (especially in politics) tend to see bias where there is none, and this can create havok for all Jedi. Then there are the slightly less obvious Forbidden Loves of Luke and Leia and Han and Leia. Different reasons why they're forbidden, but all the same....

23rd July 2002, 03:11 AM	#6 (permalink)
pkgrl Ultimate J/A shipper! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,423	Sure thing, Tab! I edited the first, too, so we could more easily SEE the plots.... Quest: Obi-Wan is on a quest in Ep 4 to Alderaan which becomes Luke's quest as well.

23rd July 2002, 05:13 PM	#7 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,429	Quest Obi-Wan has to disable the Death Star so that the MF can escape in ANH. Adventure Before Luke learns about the ways of the Force, and his family history, or even the existence of Leia, this is all that he craves. Just a way off the planet and the dirt farm for something more exciting.

24th July 2002, 01:28 AM	#8 (permalink)
Diamond9697 Lookin Good Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,872	Quest: Finding the shield generator and diableing it so that they can destroy the shield around the second Death Star in Episode 6.

24th July 2002, 03:33 AM	#9 (permalink)
Tabitha Save Angel! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,638	Pursuit: Luke and Leia's Speeder Chase through the forests of Endor ps Nice edit pkgrl - that's all nice and clear now

24th July 2002, 05:02 AM	#11 (permalink)
Tabitha Save Angel! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,638	:lol: Escape: Again so many to choose from! The escape from the Death Star in ANH will do for now

24th July 2002, 12:24 PM	#12 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,429	Rescue There are lots of Rescues, that's true. The biggest rescue theme would be Han from Jabba the Hut. None of the rescues ever seem to go according to plan though. Usually, they end up as more of a Escape for the rescued and the rescuers.

24th July 2002, 01:14 PM	#13 (permalink)
pkgrl Ultimate J/A shipper! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,423	Good point! Another one that didn't go according to plan, that started out as a quest and became an escape/rescue/quest fulfillment was the trip to the shield generator bunker on Endor.

25th July 2002, 03:55 AM	#14 (permalink)
Diamond9697 Lookin Good Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,872	Rescue: Atempted Rescue of his mother by Anakin from the Tuskin Raiders Escape: Dooku's escape from Obi-Wan, Anakin and Yoda in Ep II