6.15: Paradise Lost

[webmouse]

Originally posted by skoon
I'm no expert but I'd have assumed they'd have a raiser. They must stay over on planets over night & would take simple toiletry items wouldn't they?

That's why I asked if such would be amongst regular mission gear, even if considered a day-trip. But I agree that Jack would be carrying a knife and that would serve in most cases.

[skoon]

OK I've consulted our expert Rowan, here's what sha had to say

"Most guys I know take a small tolietry kit with them to the field even if it's nothing but some wet wipes. With hubby, it depended on the reason for going to the boonies. If it was just a standard field exercise or support of another unit, nothing hairy, he'd take a kit with him <disposable razor, soap, washrag, toothbruth & paste, deoderant>. If it was a 'simulated' mission, than his team went in without anything. Body odor was easier to hide than the smell of deoderant, etc. He was part of a long range recon team and would sometimes spend days hunkered down in a hole somewhere watching roads, etc."

so what type of mission would this be classified as? They didn't find a threat of G. so I guess they took along their rasors & deoderants?

[CynVision]

Originally posted by timdgreat
he might of but then dont u think that Jack and others would have gotten suspicious if he was like taking some stuff along they thought that he wouldnt need?:rolly2:

It was highly suspicious that he was wearing his hat and backpack when he was operating the key. IIRC, Jack just had his tack vest and coat. I know it's reaching a bit, but the movie established that the vest could hold some survival gear. But I'm betting their backpacks are the meat of what they bring along.

And I don't think they inspected what he'd put in there. He's sneeky enough to have pulled off adding whatever he liked to the kit.

[Hatshepsut]

It could've been checked before he appeared - or between takes...

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:

[webmouse]

The shaving thing is just a minor quibble. I had the same complaint in Horatio Hornblower "Devil and the Duchess" when Hornblower had been confined to a hole in the prison for presumably days, weeks (?) and came out with only a 5 o'clock shadow.

The truth is that shooting schedules do not allow for the natural growth of facial hair according to the storyline and all too often fake beards look like dead ferrets (much as I loved "Gettysburg" the beards were terrible). When Tom Hanks was working on "Castaway" they shot the pre-island and early island shots, stopped while Hanks lost some weight, shot the post-island shots, then stopped again while Hanks lost more weight and got appropriately bearded, etc. Then they filmed the island sequence. A movie can budget for a long shoot schedule. A TV series can not.

The beard issue is just an observation. I assume that in one of those vest pockets is some Swiss Army compact handy-dandy off-world toiletry gizmo with a razor (hey, Sam might want to take care of her legs, right? And we know Teal'c must shave his head ), toothbrush with paste already embedded in the bristles, floss, tiny mirror, etc.

From a writer's POV, they hope we're so entranced with the story that we don't noticed the oddities (so when do SG1 go to the head off-world? and do the Asgard have toilet paper? :rolly2: ) The problem for all film writers is that the audience can now review their product over and over again. A small slip that might have escaped notice on the first viewing becomes apparent on subsequent viewings. Some writers are aware of this, adding scenes to maintain continuity. And of course, many of those scenes get cut.

I just recently saw "New Ground" again (one of my favorite eps) and noticed the care taken to supply the captured SG1 team members with a red dot on the throat where the blood was drawn -- not just at the moment of the needle, but during the rest of that scene. Knowing that the production team is capable of such detail makes it all the more noticable when they skip past something like the shaving issue in "Paradise Lost."

[Hatshepsut]

Not to mention Sam's lipstick and mascara in 'Beneath the Surface'! No wonder Kegan was so jealous and wouldn't give her any bread! :lol:

A.T.'s beautiful enough without having the make-up department lathering the guck all over her face at every opportunity. Fine for a dress blues occasion as in 'Secrets', but in a mission situation, I'd've thought she'd too busy and focussed on the task in hand even to think of something as trivial as make-up.

It makes it harder to view her as an equal team member rather than the token 'little woman' - "Hang on a moment, Chronos, I've just got to fix my make-up before you decapitate Daniel...."


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Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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[skoon]

ha loved that last line Hatshepsut! Anyhoo, maybe Maybourne shared with Jack. Who knows what he had stowed away in his pack. & Horatio was supposed to be only about 17 years old (I've read all the books)...I'm not a guy but don't guys at that age not grow facial hair very fast?

[RaTY]

When I was 17 it took about a week to get any noticible growth...and even then it was just bum fluff, so no

In my final year of highschool, there was only 1 guy who had to shave every day.

You overestimate the pubescent boy

[webmouse]

Some males manage a recognizable moustache in 7th grade and some can't grow a full beard at 30, but most have some facial hair at 17.

Yes, I initially dismissed the Hornblower scene on his youth, since it was the only explanation to explain the oversight. I notice these things, but try not to let little glitches interfere with my enjoyment of the program -- unless of course the production gets too sloppy.

[CynVision]

Originally posted by webmouse
The problem for all film writers is that the audience can now review their product over and over again. A small slip that might have escaped notice on the first viewing becomes apparent on subsequent viewings. Some writers are aware of this, adding scenes to maintain continuity. And of course, many of those scenes get cut.

I know what you mean. Just watch some reruns of 80's action shows for how the long shots don't always reflect stuff that happened in the close-up parts. Back in that day, you'd never see a rerun until summer so you just went with the story rather than pick apart the little bits. TV has come a long way because of the invention of the household VCR.