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lene morissette · 11th September 2002, 10:24 PM

OK, Harry is in it and I heard sumthing about MAJOR s/j ship!

Arc_Angel · 18th September 2002, 02:43 PM

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summed up... Mayborne goes off-world, gets Sam's gun, Sam acts like a
b***h throughout the episode until she breaks down, cries on Teal'c
shoulder about Daniel's loss and how she couldn't handle if anything
happened to O'Neill.

Info from http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sg1_spoilme/message/2230

More info can be found at, it is explained in more detail:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/starg...es?msg=2974.31

pamie · 18th September 2002, 09:22 PM

Sounds like this should be a great one..I can't wait

skydiver · 25th September 2002, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Arc_Angel
*SPOILERS*
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
summed up... Mayborne goes off-world, gets Sam's gun, Sam acts like a
b***h throughout the episode until she breaks down, cries on Teal'c
shoulder about Daniel's loss and how she couldn't handle if anything
happened to O'Neill.

Info from http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sg1_spoilme/message/2230

More info can be found at, it is explained in more detail:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/starg...es?msg=2974.31

that's what amanda said at gatecon. she said at one point they were gonna cut out the sam/teal'c scene, but then she told them that she would have played all the rest differently had she known that and fought for it to stay in.

apparently jack and harry are on the other side of a force field (what is it with force fields anyway???) and sam is trying to get them out...and apparently doens't have much luck

CynVision · 26th September 2002, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by skydiver
apparently jack and harry are on the other side of a force field (what is it with force fields anyway???) and sam is trying to get them out...and apparently doens't have much luck

They're the closest thing we have to a magic power in the series. Forcefields and the gravity stuff.

Texane · 29th November 2002, 07:22 AM

[Furlings - see "Paradise Lost."] Maybourne goes along with SG-1 offworld on a mission, and Maybourne and Jack end up getting stuck on the planet. Maybourne gets hold of Sam's zat. Tapping: "At first I said to the writers: 'No way, I would never let him get it, and catch me off guard like that! Your making me look stupid!' But they assured me, 'Oh, no, we did it in a way that it wasn't your fault.' So, anyways, it was my fault, and I couldn't figure out how to solve it, and get rid of the force shield thingy. So I start getting really frustrated, and being mean to everyone, so I'm kind of a nasty b***h the whole episode and I'm just so mean and cruel to everyone, because I can't help them. But, in the end, she [Sam] breaks. She just loses it and completely breaks down and starts crying and everything."

"Now, during the filming, we were going to do the scene were she breaks, and starts crying and everything, and she goes to Teal'c, who's there, and he comforts her, and hugs her and everything. And I think that this was really important, because they don't really show all that much of the friendship between her and Teal'c. There was this scene from 'Meridian' were she goes into the hall after her goodbye [with Daniel] and she's crying, and her and Teal'c hug. And it was just a nano-second scene and they cut it out."

"So I thought it was absolutely necessary that they have this scene, and we kept running out of time. We were supposed to do it one day, and we ran out of time, so they're like, 'Oh, well, we'll do it tomorrow.' And we ran out of time again, and they said, 'Oh, well, we'll do it tomorrow.' And they kept putting it off, so I actually went up to them, and was like, 'We have to do this scene! It's important!'"

"And it was one of the few things that I actually fought my heart out for. It was really needed, so we got to do it in the end. And I think that all her meanness and cruelness to all the scientists and everything was justified in the end, by her breaking down like that." (Amanda Tapping at Gatecon 2002, via MajorSam at Gaters.net)

http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s6/618.shtml

Arc_Angel · 11th December 2002, 05:28 PM

SPOILERS

Go to this site to see piccies of this ep (theres not many)

Go to photos, Season 6-2:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sg1_spoilme/

angelle myst · 8th January 2003, 09:05 PM

Wow, just possibly my fav ep all season, or close to it - i loved this one - it started out like an average-ish ep and i just didnt expect what happened at all.

I loved the upset-Sam - wow she has emotions! And as an s/j shipper it warmed my little shipper heart - she was crying over 'losing' Jack! Yay! Ok, so it was sad, but...y'know what i mean

and the little hug she has with Teal'c - sweet, and the nice mention of Daniel was a cute tender moment too

there aren't enough of them around

One gripe - Sam knowing that the round things and the arrow thing on the device meant that it was the moon and planet, quite a big leap of logic that i just couldnt accept.

Oh and another teeny gripe - at the end i was expecting a little reunion between Jack and Sam (and Teal'c/Jonas/Hammy obviously) but then the end credits came up and i was like "What! Is that it!" but i'll get over it if they have a little acknowledgement or something next ep

Loved the paranoia, and go Jack for figuring it out, tho i'm not sure exactly how he arrived at that conclusion...but whatever

and i liked how they changed the colour tone thing when the paranoia level got higher and Jack went on the hunty thing for Maybourne

oh i liked this ep a lot

xxx

Dr.Jackson · 9th January 2003, 02:06 AM

Have to agree with Sammy that this was a good episode, but unfortunately we don't get to see the Furlings (unless one was disguised as a wild boar like creature).

After Jack started looking at that disc of pictures, one of which appeared to be a map, and he started eating that plant the color seemed to tint slightly - anyone else notice this - it goes slightly greyer, I think.

I did like the moment between Teal'c and Sam, and agree with Amanda Tapping that it was a justified scene as Sam's b*tchiness in the ep would have seemed a little OTT without it.

Brit Chick · 9th January 2003, 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by Sammy O'Neill
Oh and another teeny gripe - at the end i was expecting a little reunion between Jack and Sam (and Teal'c/Jonas/Hammy obviously) but then the end credits came up and i was like "What! Is that it!" but i'll get over it if they have a little acknowledgement or something next ep

me too - I have 'shipper' tendencies from time to time and really wanted to see a reunion - I wasn't expecting them running into each other's open arms with the rising music, and the rising .......music - but some kind of acknowledgement would have been nice. I guess the PTB don't wanna get into that side of the relationship cos once they do, there is no going back and it would not work with the main storylines.

I did notice the colour change about half way thru - took me minute to realise it wasn't my TV !! must have been to show us that the plans were hallucinogenic - and damn, why didn't we get to see the furlings !! one Q was Jack really seeing the skeletons or were they in his mind - if they were real were they supposed to be the Furlings - if so they looked pretty humanoid to me.

skydiver · 9th January 2003, 03:44 PM

the color change was hard to see on squinty.

i do like the rising paranoia, and the spooky music in the back ground.

jack was barefoot (drool) and i LOVE the sam/teal'c scene. FINALLY!!!
(shippers think they got it bad, sam/tealc fans usually have to survive on 10 seconds a year between the two...this was teh motherlode.)
i love how teal'c sorta attached himself to sam throughout the show...like he knew she was fragile and was going to keep an eey on her.

i loved the survival jack, down and dirty, same with harry. those two guys work great together.

as to sam's little burst of inspiration....i've had the same when i've been writing. i'll be typing away and a plot bunny just dashes in front of me.
I do miss the lack of a reunion scene, but i guess that's what fic is for.

and someone suggested that jonas mentioning that sam was being considered for command of sg-1 could be setting things up. see, if jack retired she could be the boss and...project your little shipper hearts out.

i did wonder about the book jack found. he was obviously doing a count at oen point, seeing if there were any survivors. is it POSSIBLE that he could read it in some way?

skoon · 9th January 2003, 09:01 PM

I loved the shippy bit but my FAVOURITE part of the episode is WHen Jack wash fishing & Maybourne threw in a stun granade or what ever. Jack's like, 'never do that again'...:laugh2:

skydiver · 9th January 2003, 09:48 PM

what is it with jack and folks that like explosives? harry's fixated on grenades, sam on claymores

Dave · 9th January 2003, 09:55 PM

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originally posted by Skydiver
I did wonder about the book Jack found. He was obviously doing a count at one point, seeing if there were any survivors. Is it POSSIBLE that he could read it in some way?

Jack found the book when they first reached the village, briefly looked at it and threw it away. When he picked it up again later, that's when he realised that the plant they were eating was a hallucinogen. So, I assumed that it was the book that told him the story of the Goa'uld attack.

Quote:

originally posted by Brit Chick
Was Jack really seeing the skeletons or were they in his mind - if they were real were they supposed to be the Furlings - if so they looked pretty humanoid to me.

The skeletons were Goa'uld. Didn't you notice the 'snake' skeleton that Jack pulled out of one?

Quote:

originally posted by Dr. Jackson
We don't get to see the Furlings (unless one was disguised as a wild boar like creature).

I assumed that this was the Furling planet, and it's twin planet or satellite. Jack said that the alien transporter device prevented weapons being taken to the other world, so the Goa'uld took the hallucinogenic plant instead. It wasn't very clear, but I gathered that they all wiped each other out. (That's what Jack was counting.) Pretty stupid idea really then, but is this meant to be why we don't see the Furlings any more? Or was this just a single colony of the Furling race? And were the Goa'uld around that long ago?

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originally posted by Skoon
They'd better not kill him [Harry Maybourne]

Jack is going to have the Tok'ra find him a nice quiet planet. Give him a few months to pull a few scams and he'll be back again.

This was obviously an attempt to tie up some loose ends if there wasn't going to be a Season 7.

skoon · 9th January 2003, 10:15 PM

I though the snake is obsorbed by the body when it's killed or is it left if the host is killed too? I liked how Jack took simpathy on Maybourne at the end...or did he? Is Maybourne going to be a doubly corupt Tok'ra?

29th November 2002, 07:22 AM	#21 (permalink)
Texane Frelling Wicked Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Texas (of course!) Posts: 3,877	in sum . . . [Furlings - see "Paradise Lost."] Maybourne goes along with SG-1 offworld on a mission, and Maybourne and Jack end up getting stuck on the planet. Maybourne gets hold of Sam's zat. Tapping: "At first I said to the writers: 'No way, I would never let him get it, and catch me off guard like that! Your making me look stupid!' But they assured me, 'Oh, no, we did it in a way that it wasn't your fault.' So, anyways, it was my fault, and I couldn't figure out how to solve it, and get rid of the force shield thingy. So I start getting really frustrated, and being mean to everyone, so I'm kind of a nasty b***h the whole episode and I'm just so mean and cruel to everyone, because I can't help them. But, in the end, she [Sam] breaks. She just loses it and completely breaks down and starts crying and everything." "Now, during the filming, we were going to do the scene were she breaks, and starts crying and everything, and she goes to Teal'c, who's there, and he comforts her, and hugs her and everything. And I think that this was really important, because they don't really show all that much of the friendship between her and Teal'c. There was this scene from 'Meridian' were she goes into the hall after her goodbye [with Daniel] and she's crying, and her and Teal'c hug. And it was just a nano-second scene and they cut it out." "So I thought it was absolutely necessary that they have this scene, and we kept running out of time. We were supposed to do it one day, and we ran out of time, so they're like, 'Oh, well, we'll do it tomorrow.' And we ran out of time again, and they said, 'Oh, well, we'll do it tomorrow.' And they kept putting it off, so I actually went up to them, and was like, 'We have to do this scene! It's important!'" "And it was one of the few things that I actually fought my heart out for. It was really needed, so we got to do it in the end. And I think that all her meanness and cruelness to all the scientists and everything was justified in the end, by her breaking down like that." (Amanda Tapping at Gatecon 2002, via MajorSam at Gaters.net) http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s6/618.shtml

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11th September 2002, 10:24 PM	#16 (permalink)
lene morissette I'm BACK!!!! Yay! Hiya! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: I live in Manchester, England Posts: 309	OK, Harry is in it and I heard sumthing about MAJOR s/j ship!

18th September 2002, 02:43 PM	#17 (permalink)
Arc_Angel Mr. Flibble is very cross Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,873	SPOILERS . . . . . . . summed up... Mayborne goes off-world, gets Sam's gun, Sam acts like a b***h throughout the episode until she breaks down, cries on Teal'c shoulder about Daniel's loss and how she couldn't handle if anything happened to O'Neill. Info from http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sg1_spoilme/message/2230 More info can be found at, it is explained in more detail: http://forums.delphiforums.com/starg...es?msg=2974.31

18th September 2002, 09:22 PM	#18 (permalink)
pamie Space Monkey! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: South coast of the UK Posts: 3,091	Sounds like this should be a great one..I can't wait

11th December 2002, 05:28 PM	#22 (permalink)
Arc_Angel Mr. Flibble is very cross Join Date: May 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,873	SPOILERS Go to this site to see piccies of this ep (theres not many) Go to photos, Season 6-2: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sg1_spoilme/

8th January 2003, 09:05 PM	#23 (permalink)
angelle myst Ash Join Date: May 2002 Location: Yorkshire, England. Posts: 1,772	Wow, just possibly my fav ep all season, or close to it - i loved this one - it started out like an average-ish ep and i just didnt expect what happened at all. I loved the upset-Sam - wow she has emotions! And as an s/j shipper it warmed my little shipper heart - she was crying over 'losing' Jack! Yay! Ok, so it was sad, but...y'know what i mean and the little hug she has with Teal'c - sweet, and the nice mention of Daniel was a cute tender moment too there aren't enough of them around One gripe - Sam knowing that the round things and the arrow thing on the device meant that it was the moon and planet, quite a big leap of logic that i just couldnt accept. Oh and another teeny gripe - at the end i was expecting a little reunion between Jack and Sam (and Teal'c/Jonas/Hammy obviously) but then the end credits came up and i was like "What! Is that it!" but i'll get over it if they have a little acknowledgement or something next ep Loved the paranoia, and go Jack for figuring it out, tho i'm not sure exactly how he arrived at that conclusion...but whatever and i liked how they changed the colour tone thing when the paranoia level got higher and Jack went on the hunty thing for Maybourne oh i liked this ep a lot xxx

9th January 2003, 02:06 AM	#24 (permalink)
Dr.Jackson Certified Space Monkey Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Livingston, Scotland Posts: 668	Have to agree with Sammy that this was a good episode, but unfortunately we don't get to see the Furlings (unless one was disguised as a wild boar like creature). After Jack started looking at that disc of pictures, one of which appeared to be a map, and he started eating that plant the color seemed to tint slightly - anyone else notice this - it goes slightly greyer, I think. I did like the moment between Teal'c and Sam, and agree with Amanda Tapping that it was a justified scene as Sam's b*tchiness in the ep would have seemed a little OTT without it.

9th January 2003, 03:44 PM	#26 (permalink)
skydiver Trivia Goddess Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: topeka, ks, usa- 7 1/2 hours due east of Cheyenne Mountain Posts: 2,856	the color change was hard to see on squinty. i do like the rising paranoia, and the spooky music in the back ground. jack was barefoot (drool) and i LOVE the sam/teal'c scene. FINALLY!!! (shippers think they got it bad, sam/tealc fans usually have to survive on 10 seconds a year between the two...this was teh motherlode.) i love how teal'c sorta attached himself to sam throughout the show...like he knew she was fragile and was going to keep an eey on her. i loved the survival jack, down and dirty, same with harry. those two guys work great together. as to sam's little burst of inspiration....i've had the same when i've been writing. i'll be typing away and a plot bunny just dashes in front of me. I do miss the lack of a reunion scene, but i guess that's what fic is for. and someone suggested that jonas mentioning that sam was being considered for command of sg-1 could be setting things up. see, if jack retired she could be the boss and...project your little shipper hearts out. i did wonder about the book jack found. he was obviously doing a count at oen point, seeing if there were any survivors. is it POSSIBLE that he could read it in some way?

9th January 2003, 09:01 PM	#27 (permalink)
skoon Official keeper of Narim! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: British Columbia, CANADA Posts: 4,342	I loved the shippy bit but my FAVOURITE part of the episode is WHen Jack wash fishing & Maybourne threw in a stun granade or what ever. Jack's like, 'never do that again'...:laugh2:

9th January 2003, 09:48 PM	#28 (permalink)
skydiver Trivia Goddess Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: topeka, ks, usa- 7 1/2 hours due east of Cheyenne Mountain Posts: 2,856	what is it with jack and folks that like explosives? harry's fixated on grenades, sam on claymores

9th January 2003, 10:15 PM	#30 (permalink)
skoon Official keeper of Narim! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: British Columbia, CANADA Posts: 4,342	I though the snake is obsorbed by the body when it's killed or is it left if the host is killed too? I liked how Jack took simpathy on Maybourne at the end...or did he? Is Maybourne going to be a doubly corupt Tok'ra?