6.12: Unnatural Selection

[RaTY]

Originally posted by Dr.Jackson
I had the idea that a greater threat would be posed by the 'human' replicators, since they can change their molecular configuration (ie having their hands in SG-1's heads). This means they could look like anyone they wanted to - a member of SG-1 perhaps?

DING DING DING
Are we so sure they havn't done this? Is everyone heading back to Earth on the X-303 a "real" member of SG-1?
Surely its atleast possible that one of them has turned into say...JQ.

This wouldn't need to be reveiled till the next season if nessisary. The Rep would just just spend the time collecting infomation on other planets (which is exactly what they were doing anyway by delving into their minds in the first place).

*Gets to work on his first fanfic*

[Tabitha]

Oooh that's a great idea!

[Anni]

I guess that would certainly be one way of putting JQ into 'recurring character' mode, although I imagine that it wasn't in the writer's minds when they wrote the script! I can just imagine further down the line, the humans discovering that Jonas is even more of an alien than they originally thought!

An ingenious plot bunny! Well done RaTY!!!!

[Garron]

Despite the fact that I'm not a Sci-fi critic, rather a Canadian Historian, I must say that this was a good episode.

Everyone here is discussing Col. Jonathan O'neill (ref. http://www.stargate-sg1.com/home/bio/index.html) reference to the X303 as the NEW Enterprise. I agree! Classic!

What people here seem to have glossed over is Teal'c and Col. O'neill swapping ice cream! Did you notice the expression on Teal'c face when O'neill attempted to take a scoop of icecream from Teal'c tub of icecream? CLASSIC!

That's all for now,

G.

[angelle myst]

Originally posted by Garron
Everyone here is discussing Col. Jonathan O'neill (ref. http://www.stargate-sg1.com/home/bio/index.html) reference to the X303 as the NEW Enterprise. I agree! Classic!

What people here seem to have glossed over is Teal'c and Col. O'neill swapping ice cream! Did you notice the expression on Teal'c face when O'neill attempted to take a scoop of icecream from Teal'c tub of icecream? CLASSIC!

That's all for now,

G.

I think somebody mentioned the ice-cream earlier, but i agree, those were two of the best moments of the whole ep. It was lacking in humour but compared to last weeks ep, this was a whole lot better. I think everyone has said what i wanted to mention. Overall an average ep but much better than the first part, i didnt expect it at all, tho it was a bit predictable.

xxx

[Highlander II]

Well - I wasn't terribly impressed w/ this episode - other than the ice cream scene - that was classic! had a lovely flavor of that 'between the lines' acting that is so powerful w/ the right actors! (happens a lot on BtVS) --

1 - the 'shoehorning' of Jonas - why are all of his lines exactly what Daniel would have said had he been there? only, he's not as influencial on Jack as Daniel was -- and I'm not trying to incite a riot, really, I don't hate Jonas, he's a lovely character - and has so much potential, but they're going about him all wrong - they're trying too hard to make him likable - and it's backfiring -

2 - please please please - can the Asgard STOP coming to the Humans for help? If the Asgard are so damned advanced, you'd figure they'd have some idea of how to get rid of the Replicators - for cryin' out loud! I don't mind that the Rep's are still a threat, but geeeeeeez - can we find a NEW plot device? PLEASE?

3 - um - what happened to Major Davis? He was there when the X-303 was taken - and he had nothing to do at the SGC afterward? I don't think THAT much time had passed - 'continuity' people!

4 - nothing going on at the SGC except the x-change of ppl for supplies? and 'over stock' much? Did Thor need to grab ALL of the weapons from the amory? Leaving the SGC w/ nothing? There are like 14 other SG teams, right? I was confused about that.

5 - recycled plot line -- need something new -- I know there are only so many storylines, but this was too predictable - they should come up with a new and interesting twist -- like, the 'human' replicators wanted to be friends, but there was one that still had the 'defect' and was trying to muck up everything - or something - like a colony on the planet, or -- anything - but the 'ooh, we're the baddies and we're gonna kick your butt! Bwahahahahaha!' -- 'er, no you're not! b/c we're the goodies and we always win! mwahahahaha!' -- grr argh -

[oniell obsessed]

Yes, the Ice cream scene was great!Loved it! Tealcs the best!!I finally saw the ep. and I thought it was okay. All the replicator stuff was weird. I think its just weird how the first show is part is SO different from the first part. It wasnt the best show ever, probably not on my top 20 (or 40) list! It was just *ok*.

shaunte

[ZachWZ]

The man who layed First was on Twin Peaks. He was some kind of salesman.

[Texane]

The part about the device standing on ground that was actually replicator material was interesting . . .

[Brit Chick]

Originally posted by ZachWZ
The man who layed First was on Twin Peaks. He was some kind of salesman.

Thank you, thank you, thank you - it was driving me mental. You know how you hate it when you know you have seen somewhere before but cannot remember where - Now of course I know exactly who he was - he was a salesman at Horne's Dept Store - gentleman's clothing and he was 'Officer Andy's' rival for a while in the affections of the sherrif's receptionist. He turned out to be a right little s**t if I remember

Sorry - I know that ramble is off topic slightly, but I feel so much better now !

[CynVision]

Originally posted by Highlander II
Well - I wasn't terribly impressed w/ this episode - other than the ice cream scene - that was classic! had a lovely flavor of that 'between the lines' acting that is so powerful w/ the right actors! (happens a lot on BtVS) --

1 - the 'shoehorning' of Jonas - ... and it's backfiring -

2 - please please please - can the Asgard STOP coming to the Humans for help?

3 - um - what happened to Major Davis?

4 - ... Leaving the SGC w/ nothing? There are like 14 other SG teams, right? I was confused about that.

#1 : his introduction has been backfiring since Alliegance. The on-again, off-again nature of his presence just don't play. Actor-wise the kid is in a terrible position. He's not had a busting out tour-de-force ep. He played stronger at the beginning of season six.

#2 : I get the feeling the Asgard have to use humans when going up against human-like opponents. We're like giants to them and can bash things with more force. They're light weights.

#3 : Maybe he's up on review for mishandling the X-303 hostage crisis? Someone has to take the blame, it is the US military after all.

#4 : 17 teams according to Hammond at the end of Proving Ground. SG-17 was the team the Lt. was placed on after showing his worth.

I had more beef with how large that space-time bubble was supposed to be and how fast the X-303 got out of it. This is supposedly a unfinished, clunky ship.
A light year is 5.88 trillion miles wide and I heard something like .016 of it was the bubble so that's 94,080,000,000 miles (94.08 Billion) of bubble? Or was .016 the fime distortion factor??

[Ego]

Originally posted by CynVision


I had more beef with how large that space-time bubble was supposed to be and how fast the X-303 got out of it. This is supposedly a unfinished, clunky ship.
A light year is 5.88 trillion miles wide and I heard something like .016 of it was the bubble so that's 94,080,000,000 miles (94.08 Billion) of bubble? Or was .016 the fime distortion factor??

I completely agree. While I really, really enjoyed the episode (to the point that it is in my list of top 5 favorite episodes), I was bothered by some of the time issues.

First of all, the time dialation device was already activated when SG-1 went to the planet. So, time was progressing at a rate of 10 squared once they entered the bubble. They were on the planet for presumably at least 2 days, considering the first time they passed out they were out for I believe they said 30-some hours. Who knows how long they were out the 2nd time they passed out. So, let's just say it was 2 days. That alone would be 400 days in "real time". So nobody noticed that they were gone for over a YEAR?!

HOWEVER, this COULD explain the whole thing with them leaving the planet with the device being activated. If I recall, Thor said the device (when set to go slow, not fast) was set to be I believe 10 to the 4th power. So, I suppose when they left, since time was running slower, it would have reversed the time they were gone. I dunno, I'm not a physics expert.

But yeah, all of the time related stuff bothered me in the episode. The idea is cool, but they should have done it a bit different. I think they should have kept the SG-1 team from ever being in the bubble (ie, the device was never activated while SG-1 was in the area). Of course, this would have made the story a bit more difficult to write.

So I wonder if we're going to see any more talking about these events in future episodes. I'll be curious to see if Hammond has anything to say about SG-1 being out cruising the universe in the new X-303 for over a year.

[CynVision]

First time they were out it was 37 hours, yes. But time inside was running faster, so "outside" (Earth time, or where Thor's ship waited) would have been moments. That was the point to the Replicators adjusting to fast forward. They wanted a kick-start to their evolution to the "ultimate" android-copy form.

It's possible SG-1 was out in the bubble for a year of Earth time as they rushed to get away from the planet. I'm told from a German physics student that time at the source would be more bent than time at the edge of the bubble. Even the mass of our planet slows down time. So while "out there" in terms of ideas, it's possible for the Asgard to manupliate time because their scientists know the hidden forces that our sicientists theorize exist.

But you are right that we have not seen the reaction of the SGC to them being gone for a long time, even if Thor was a bit more laid back about it. That damn bubble was HUGE and I can't believe no one checked the math. The distance between the Earth and the sun is an astronomical unit (AU). The bubble was 1012 AU. 1012 times larger than the Earth's orbit around the sun. Pluto's max distance from the sun is 49 AU.

[Ego]

Originally posted by CynVision
First time they were out it was 37 hours, yes. But time inside was running faster, so "outside" (Earth time, or where Thor's ship waited) would have been moments. That was the point to the Replicators adjusting to fast forward. They wanted a kick-start to their evolution to the "ultimate" android-copy form.

It's possible SG-1 was out in the bubble for a year of Earth time as they rushed to get away from the planet. I'm told from a German physics student that time at the source would be more bent than time at the edge of the bubble. Even the mass of our planet slows down time. So while "out there" in terms of ideas, it's possible for the Asgard to manupliate time because their scientists know the hidden forces that our sicientists theorize exist.

But you are right that we have not seen the reaction of the SGC to them being gone for a long time, even if Thor was a bit more laid back about it. That damn bubble was HUGE and I can't believe no one checked the math. The distance between the Earth and the sun is an astronomical unit (AU). The bubble was 1012 AU. 1012 times larger than the Earth's orbit around the sun. Pluto's max distance from the sun is 49 AU.

Ah, thanks for correcting me. I was thinking about it backwards, that time was running slower in the bubble, rather than faster. Actually, I was mixing the two together. I was thinking in terms of the team and everything else being at "fast time", and the ship's timer being at "slow time", which of course was a mistake in my thinking. So I guess that would mean they weren't gone all that long then, all things considered. heh. Again, like I said, I'm no physics expert.

[timdgreat]

well i would have to say that all in all i was dissapointed with this episode. id been waiting months for it and it came around i saw it and thought it had a poor plot. I loved the humor, like the ice cream and the Enterprise jokes:rolly2:, but i was dissapointed with pretty much every thing else