Herbert, Frank: How do the newer Dune series books compare with the Originals? - Science Fiction Fantasy Chronicles: forums

Tabitha · 26th June 2002, 10:09 PM

I am a big fan of the original Dune books - I think the first one is the book that I have read most often - and I re-read books a lot

I haven't read any of the more recent Dune books - but I was wondering if anyone that has would like to share their opinions on them.
Do they compare well with Herbert's originals? Do the stories fit well with what has already been told? When are they set?

Should I run out and buy them right now?

nejordan · 27th June 2002, 10:41 PM

I would go to your public library and check them out first. There's a lot more sex & violence and a lot less philosophy in these three, so don't be disappointed.

Tabitha · 29th July 2002, 12:16 AM

Thanks... I think I might go with the library on this one

I thought the earlier books began to go a bit over the top with the sex in the final books, so maybe I won't like these ones so much.

timdgreat · 23rd January 2003, 09:08 PM

well then contrary to the opinion already posted, im gonna suggest u go read them. i think his son has done a good job with the writing, the storys flow well and are interesting. and by now he has written a 4th book that is just as good as his first 3:rolly2:

Krystal · 21st September 2003, 09:18 PM

I agree with timdgreat, you should give it a try. Although the sex is still in some I think is not the prominent theme. And I think is a must see to learn the backgrounds of all the characters we have seen through the saga. You will get details on Duke Leto, Liet, Jessica, Baron Harkonnen, Duncan, Thuffat, Gurney, and how Shaddam gets to be Emperor. Is definitely a must read. The stories fit well in what we already have read, the prequel is supposedly frame 30 years before the story of Dune is I remember what I read in the book correctly.

So give it a try although it doesn't hurt to look for them in a library first or read excerpts of it. I buy it without a glance and can honestly say I'm not dissapointed at all.

Krystal

Tabitha · 22nd September 2003, 12:40 AM

I've got so many unread books sitting on my bookshelf, but I am going to make the effort to take a look at these - it will be a good excuse to re-read the originals, if nothing else

Krystal · 22nd September 2003, 09:14 PM

Definitely a good excuse to read it again.

And after read the prequels probably one have to read the originals again to see some characters that are explain more in the prequels and were only a short time in the originals. Is really great.

Krystal

timdgreat · 24th September 2003, 09:05 PM

and there is just recently released a new one by his son, The machine crusade, havent finished reading it yet, but its looking good

:rolly2:

Krystal · 25th September 2003, 11:37 PM

Another one for my list then.

Krystal

timdgreat · 26th September 2003, 05:24 PM

and it just keeps getting better, i think that his Brian is gonna surpass his dad:rolly2:

Krystal · 7th October 2003, 11:23 PM

Let's hope so, so we could have Dune for a long time.

Well, Brian and Kevin. Both of them colaborate in the books.

Krystal

timdgreat · 9th October 2003, 04:39 PM

ok well i finished it, its a great book, brian and Kevin are doing well again

:rolly2:

Krystal · 12th October 2003, 07:24 PM

Cool! I'm ending House Corrino and my next one is The Butlerian Jihad.

Krystal

timdgreat · 13th October 2003, 07:12 PM

waits paitently for some one to catch up so he can discuss theese books greatness:d:rolly2:

Uriel · 1st November 2003, 05:16 PM

I just want to start out by saying that I deeply love Frank Herberts Dune series. I've got them all, and I've read all of them atleast two or three times. So when it was announced that his son was going to write new books based on Frank's left over notes I was thrilled.

Of the new books I've read the two first prequals and The Butlerian Jyhad. House Atreides wasn't so bad, even though it was nothing like Frank's books it managed to introduce the world coherently and most characters were interesting. I didn't care much for the plot and it was evident that Brian and Kevin thinks that the more plot you have the better it is. I really liked the original Dune's introspective political and philosophical themes, but in the new books there was little of that.

While reading House Harkonnen I started to actively dislike the plot. The whole artifical spice thing is retarded, especially since there is no mention of it in the Dune books that take place just a few decades after. Most of the other plots are equally retarded and I don't think I will bother reading to read House Corrino.

What can I say about Butlerian Jyhad? I think this sums it up pretty good:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-10-15

This books is an insult to Frank Herbert legacy and quite possibly on of the worst sci-fi novels I've ever read.

26th June 2002, 10:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
Tabitha Save Angel! Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,638	How do the newer Dune series books compare with the Originals? I am a big fan of the original Dune books - I think the first one is the book that I have read most often - and I re-read books a lot I haven't read any of the more recent Dune books - but I was wondering if anyone that has would like to share their opinions on them. Do they compare well with Herbert's originals? Do the stories fit well with what has already been told? When are they set? Should I run out and buy them right now?

27th June 2002, 10:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
nejordan Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 2	Same characters, different appeal I would go to your public library and check them out first. There's a lot more sex & violence and a lot less philosophy in these three, so don't be disappointed.

24th September 2003, 09:05 PM	#8 (permalink)
timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,093	and there is just recently released a new one by his son, The machine crusade, havent finished reading it yet, but its looking good:rolly2:

9th October 2003, 04:39 PM	#12 (permalink)
timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,093	ok well i finished it, its a great book, brian and Kevin are doing well again:rolly2:

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29th July 2002, 12:16 AM	#3 (permalink)
Tabitha Save Angel! Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,638	Thanks... I think I might go with the library on this one I thought the earlier books began to go a bit over the top with the sex in the final books, so maybe I won't like these ones so much.

23rd January 2003, 09:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,093	well then contrary to the opinion already posted, im gonna suggest u go read them. i think his son has done a good job with the writing, the storys flow well and are interesting. and by now he has written a 4th book that is just as good as his first 3:rolly2:

21st September 2003, 09:18 PM	#5 (permalink)
Krystal Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 2,278	I agree with timdgreat, you should give it a try. Although the sex is still in some I think is not the prominent theme. And I think is a must see to learn the backgrounds of all the characters we have seen through the saga. You will get details on Duke Leto, Liet, Jessica, Baron Harkonnen, Duncan, Thuffat, Gurney, and how Shaddam gets to be Emperor. Is definitely a must read. The stories fit well in what we already have read, the prequel is supposedly frame 30 years before the story of Dune is I remember what I read in the book correctly. So give it a try although it doesn't hurt to look for them in a library first or read excerpts of it. I buy it without a glance and can honestly say I'm not dissapointed at all. Krystal

22nd September 2003, 12:40 AM	#6 (permalink)
Tabitha Save Angel! Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,638	I've got so many unread books sitting on my bookshelf, but I am going to make the effort to take a look at these - it will be a good excuse to re-read the originals, if nothing else

22nd September 2003, 09:14 PM	#7 (permalink)
Krystal Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 2,278	Definitely a good excuse to read it again. And after read the prequels probably one have to read the originals again to see some characters that are explain more in the prequels and were only a short time in the originals. Is really great. Krystal

25th September 2003, 11:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
Krystal Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 2,278	Another one for my list then. Krystal

26th September 2003, 05:24 PM	#10 (permalink)
timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,093	and it just keeps getting better, i think that his Brian is gonna surpass his dad:rolly2:

7th October 2003, 11:23 PM	#11 (permalink)
Krystal Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 2,278	Let's hope so, so we could have Dune for a long time. Well, Brian and Kevin. Both of them colaborate in the books. Krystal

12th October 2003, 07:24 PM	#13 (permalink)
Krystal Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 2,278	Cool! I'm ending House Corrino and my next one is The Butlerian Jihad. Krystal

13th October 2003, 07:12 PM	#14 (permalink)
timdgreat For the Emperor Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,093	waits paitently for some one to catch up so he can discuss theese books greatness:d:rolly2:

1st November 2003, 05:16 PM	#15 (permalink)
Uriel Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1	I just want to start out by saying that I deeply love Frank Herberts Dune series. I've got them all, and I've read all of them atleast two or three times. So when it was announced that his son was going to write new books based on Frank's left over notes I was thrilled. Of the new books I've read the two first prequals and The Butlerian Jyhad. House Atreides wasn't so bad, even though it was nothing like Frank's books it managed to introduce the world coherently and most characters were interesting. I didn't care much for the plot and it was evident that Brian and Kevin thinks that the more plot you have the better it is. I really liked the original Dune's introspective political and philosophical themes, but in the new books there was little of that. While reading House Harkonnen I started to actively dislike the plot. The whole artifical spice thing is retarded, especially since there is no mention of it in the Dune books that take place just a few decades after. Most of the other plots are equally retarded and I don't think I will bother reading to read House Corrino. What can I say about Butlerian Jyhad? I think this sums it up pretty good: http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-10-15 This books is an insult to Frank Herbert legacy and quite possibly on of the worst sci-fi novels I've ever read.