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20th June 2002, 06:00 PM
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| Marti Noxon on possible Season 8 ScifiWire reports that Marti Noxon has gone some way to dispelling rumours that Season seven is to be the end of BTVS: Quote:
I don't think I am taking this out of context, but that seems to me to say that there could well be a season 8 whether SMG is there or not. Are we really headed for "Dawn the Vampire Slayer"? obcooke - hope this is okay here, I seem to be spoilering like crazy in the Buffy forums recently  Sorry! | |
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21st June 2002, 12:35 AM
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| Re: Marti Noxon on possible Season 8 [Tabitha: ...seems to me to say that there could well be a season 8 whether SMG is there or not. Are we really headed for "Dawn the Vampire Slayer"?] IF Buffy goes on without Sarah I really can't see any other way to do it at this point. There are no rumors flying that Faith is going to return and the other way would be to introduce a new character to be the Slayer. The problem with a new character is that there would be very little time to get the audience used to her. I realize that a lot of fans are not pleased with Michelle, but that can be fixed. Look at Tara - Season Six Spoilers follow: she was one of the least appreciated of the Scoobies, but by the time she died, many had grown to like her, due to better scripts for her. Remember her teasing Spike about his "cramp"? I'm convinced that that was done to make her more likeable to us, so they could kill her. The only other way would be to make Willow or Anya into The Slayer, but I just can't see that. Any body got any other ideas? [Tabitha: obcooke - hope this is okay here, I seem to be spoilering like crazy in the Buffy forums recently Sorry!]No prob. This is perfect here. Sometimes its tough to make the call and I often think about it for a while before moving or spoiler-ing a post. The main thing I look for is specific details about what is going to happen in front of the camera - like a character returning or the show going on location. General news about the cast, the crew or the network, to me, are not spoilers, just News. Hope that's helpful. I also appreciate that you labeled the thread in such a way that people are warned that the subject is about the future of the show, but doesn't give away any details in the title. Thanks. |
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21st June 2002, 12:45 AM
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| Hmmm, I had never really thought about the possibilty of one of the other characters becoming the Slayer. I have difficulty imagining Willow or Anya stepping into that role, although I could see Willow becoming the centre of a spinoff. In my opinion the only realistic options would be: 1) Dawn The Vampire Slayer 2) Faith returns 3) A new character takes on the Slaying - I suppose Faith would have to die for this to be possible I thought very briefly about the possibility of a male character somehow becoming the 'CHosen One' (is it ever explicitly stated the reason for the Slayers being women?), but I seriously doubt Joss would want to take the show in that direction. Another thought I had (inspired by the info on the new Stargate cartoon) was that they could take it into the Future - maybe not too distant future, so that the bent wouldn't be all scifi - just a possibility. Almost a clean slate, but it would leave the possibilty of some continuity with the current series as the Vamps wouldn't age. This idea would probably have to be a whole new show, though, wouldn't it? Anyway, there's my thoughts for this afternoon, now I have to run on home. |
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21st June 2002, 02:18 AM
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| well, before they think about making a season of Buffy w/o Buffy - they'd have to come up w/ a really convincing reason why she's not there - I mean, we can't just jump into a new show w/ say, Dawn, as the slayer and just expect everyone to go 'okay, that's cool' --- If there isn't gonna be a Buffy - we need a really good reason. Does she decide to travel to Europe to finish college b/c she was offered this really great opportunity? Or does someone kick her butt and she's really dead this time? Or does she just tell the council she's done and decides to move to Nebraska or something? It just has to be explained and believable - we have to BELIEVE that Buffy would do whatever it is she does b4 she's gone from the show. Now, see - I was gonna suggest they could do the "Dawn and Spike Show" (but give it a more Joss-like name so it doesn't sound like a really bad talk-show, unless that's what they want) - Of course, this would center around Dawn dealing w/ Buffy not being there anymore, and Spike would have to remain in a 'Chipped-Spike' condition (not necessarily just Spike w/ a chip, but something that keeps him from eating the Scoobies) - and, since she already has the beginnings of an almost brother-sister relationship w/ Spike, he could help her with that -- and ya know, if he wasn't a vampire, he could take on a Watcher-like role if Dawn were to become the Slayer -- or, he could just help - between him, Anya and Willow, they could cover about 85% of the demon world almost w/o ever grabbing a book or a computer. Ya know, that's kind of one of the things I love about Giles - he still loves his books! He never really bothered to learn how to use a computer. I think the one time we saw him sitting at one, he got all flabbergasted and confused and had no idea what he was doing. It's quirky, but something about Giles w/ a computer is a bit disheartening. I love Giles just the way he is. Oh - and bring him back for the 'extended Buffy' - if they do it. Guess they could cross the Ripper show and the 'new' Buffy show -- that could be cool! |
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21st June 2002, 02:22 AM
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| Yeah, but without Sarah, don't they have a different show? I mean technically how can "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" continue without her? Wouldn't they have to at least re-name it? UNLESS! and this is an incredibly off-the-wall thought. What if Buffy is required to sacrifice herself again, but this time Dawn intercedes and Buffy's body is lost... along with Dawn's essence. Buffy's mind ends up in Dawn's body and she continues to be BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER. Only now, she is portrayed by Michelle Trachtenberg! Everyone calls her Buffy, she has Buffy's memories and they rewrite for Michelle so that when she talks it sounds like Buffy, in tempo and style. After all, Dr. Who substituted new actors for the starring character every few years and they were on for over twenty years. -------------------------- IF they decide to do a different Slayer, the idea of one from another era is intriguing. What if they did one from the past that might have also interacted with Spike & Dru, without getting killed, of course? Using that as a springboard, maybe they could do a Slayer Anthology, each season or every few episodes the story of a new Slayer would be told. Wasn't that a comic or paperback series? |
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21st June 2002, 03:43 AM
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| [Highlander II: Ya know, that's kind of one of the things I love about Giles - he still loves his books! He never really bothered to learn how to use a computer. I think the one time we saw him sitting at one, he got all flabbergasted and confused and had no idea what he was doing. It's quirky, but something about Giles w/ a computer is a bit disheartening. I love Giles just the way he is.] Okay, my bad, I'm about to go off-topic for a post. I was goofing in another space and had an opportunity to look up the following quote. -------------- Ms. Calendar: Oh, you are a big snob. You, you think that knowledge should be kept in these carefully guarded repositories where only a handful of white guys can get at it. Giles: Nonsense! I simply don’t adhere to a, a knee-jerk assumption that because something is new, it’s better. Ms. Calendar: This isn’t a fad, Rupert! We are creating a new society here. Giles: A society in which human interaction is all but obsolete? In which people can be completely manipulated by technology, well, well. . . Thank you, I’ll pass. Ms. Calendar: Well, ahem I think you’ll be very happy here with your musty, old books. Giles: These musty old books have a great deal more to say than in any of your. . . fabulous web pages. -------- HE THE MAN! |
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21st June 2002, 07:07 AM
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| Ah, great memories of Giles  My brain is just not reacting well to the idea of Dawn as the main character. I think the problem might actually be the actress. I find it very difficult to imagine her even acting as if she was more mature. The comparison between her character now and the Scoobies back in season one is not flattering to Summers junior at all. As has been mentioned in other threads, it all depends on the writing whether we like or dislike most characters, but I don't know if I could ever warm to Dawn enough. Having said that I am not averse to the idea of the show carrying on without SMG. I think the real strength in the show has been the writing, the creation of characters and situations that are both fantastical but still believable. The actors deserve great kudos, but didn't Joss choose them too? I am not usually one to exercise bling faith, but I have a great deal of trust in Joss giving us great ideas (whether we want them or not), perhaps not so much in Angel, but definitely in Buffy. |
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21st June 2002, 07:19 AM
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I do however believe that Dawn will be the next slayer and that next season will be about preparing her and "showing" her the world of being a slayer. | |
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21st June 2002, 02:02 PM
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| [DreamTraveler: ...I mean, she's already died twice.] Actually, depending on how you interpret the scene in the hospital after she is shot, you could assume three times! Xander even refers to her dying and returning again in that episode. So to recap: Season One - Master - drowned Season Five - Glory/portal - sacrificed Season Six - Warren - shot [possibly/probably??] [DreamTraveler: They'd figure out a way to bring her back in the Buffyverse.] Unless the writers figure out a way to prevent them. Remember Joyce & Tara - All the King's horses and all the King's men. |
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22nd June 2002, 09:40 PM
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| Re: Marti Noxon on possible Season 8 Quote:
I don't see why anyone has to be the slayer after Buffy goes. Can they not continue with the characters they have left working as a team, rather than focusing upon a main character/ of course thet would have to rename it, but they'd have to do that anyway if SMG left. Wait just had a thought - they wouldn't commit the ultimate sin and replace SMG with someone else playing the character of Buffy a la Miss Ellie from Dallas and Lucy from Neighbours (they changed heads so often the audience got dizzy). I think they would have more respect for the audience. As for how Buffy would leave - well being the romantic I am, I quite fancy seeing her say feck them all, getting on the back of Spike's motorbike and riding off into the sunset. scoff all you want, sometimes cliches work. | |
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23rd June 2002, 07:22 AM
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| Hi all, Don't worry, no one else can be Buffy. It is written into the actors contracts that no one else can play their characters! I think the thought of 'Dawn The Slayer' Totaly sucks, too! I have never liked the character, she has been badly written all the way through, and I actively loathed the cave scene where they ( the writers) are attempting to set us up for more Dawn next season! It was too saccarine for my tastes! |
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26th June 2002, 09:00 PM
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| I just wish they would ditch Dawn - after the key thing, she doesn't really have a role in the show and she's quite an unlikable character. I'm sure that Joss could work out some way of getting rid of her as she was created by magic in the first place, surely she could vanish in the same manner, without there being a huge hoo-ha. Okay, it's a bit simplistic, but like Riley, I don't think she's a particularly popular character and she doesn't bring anything to the show. However, it's probably not likely, as they do seem to be grooming her as the star of the show when Sarah leaves (god forbid!). |
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26th June 2002, 11:34 PM
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| too bad too - b/c Spike would make a lovely central character - if they could ever figure out what they want him to do - he was so much better when he was evil --- On Dawn - geeez - can we lighten up a bit? she's not that bad. True, they haven't done anything with her, but she's not a horrible character. (Riley was worse) She has so much potential - esp since she's only 16 -- there's a lot they can do with her - S6 was really good for ignoring the rest of the cast - not sure why it was that way, but it was - and looks like they wanna get back to the 'ensemble' style for the next season - I hope so - I don't like the 'minor' characters on the out-skirts mode ---- |
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24th November 2002, 11:04 PM
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| As I see it, SMG won't do a season8, really unlikely... So a spin-off ? What about a new slayer (who appeared before as a slayer-in-training), she like Buffy moves to Sunnydale (Since the hellmouth is there)... Buffy regular characters can appear (ie, Willow, Xander etc). She lives with her Watcher. Along with a slayers-in-training... She was a orphan, adopted by her Watcher. She's 20 years old, she goes to the same Uni as Willow. She starts going out with Xander for a while. The slayer-in-training could be younger (about 16) She can be friends with Dawn. SMG can guest star sometimes as Dawn's older sister, and kinda like a older sister to the new slayer and slayer-in-training... The show will be called something like "something the Vampire Slayer" Just an idea  |
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24th November 2002, 11:38 PM
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| Well - why not 'Willow the Bad guy Flayer' since they insist on using the word 'flay' in every episode in S7 - gah! what is up w/ that? I wanna see how they make S7 work before jumping one way or the other on S8 -- |
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