Thought invasion strategy, Gate Gliders and other yet unseen but usefull units

[PTeppic]

Ah yes - have now seen it: season 5's "2001" (for anyone else following this).

[Ko'or Oragahn]

That's it !

[Svarog]

Why would the gate glider technology be any different from normal death glider technology. If anything it has to be simpler. It wouldn't need space capabilities, only getting back to an orbiting Hat'tak. If you need to aim the glider at a gate manually (an act requiring great skill), then it obviously doesn't have any extras to aim it at the gate.

Another thing why call them death gliders, why not simply gliders, i think this is a good reason why.

[PTeppic]

a) because it may have to incorporate some DHD technology [this part is unclear in the episode]

b) I think the locals call them death gliders, or possibly even Teal'c, in a very early episode. I would guess because they are scary to a primitive people and bring death from above - i.e. they only appear in malicious duties

[Svarog]

There's quite a popular theory floating around about Apophis having some kind of hand-remote control that reactivates the gate (from COTG, after he comes and leaves) So they must have that DHD technology, even if Apophis's hand device is advanced surely they can put a bigger one somewhere in that ship.

[Ko'or Oragahn]

It appears that the Goa'uld can't create "bombs" using their energy weapon technology. They use blasts and really big blasts, but nothing that sort of drops, sits there (or not) and then bang. But using the same energy technology. Is this a weakness?

Ra easily understood what the role of the device brought by Jack was. This god even knew that the device (bomb) was the product of human's technology, a technology which gave them the capacity to fiddle with atomic structure to a certain extent.
And finally, Ra knew what to do to enhance the destructive power of the bomb.

Btw, in The Warrior, Jaffas rebels used a naquadah bomb attached to the body, and in Singularity, Cassandra had an implanted naquadah bomb within her.

It's in fact more plausible that the Goa'ulds have a technology to disable bombs, so that they must rely on direct energetic weapons rather than projectiles and bombs.

But I still believe that there are tons of ways to lure the Goa'ulds and use atomic bombs, by laying traps for example.

Maybe the Goa'ulds oponents thought that such weapons were too much primitive (lazy explanation, sorry).

Btw, I wonder why the Goa'ulds were not able to fake the admission codes of the SG groups.

Originally posted by Svarog
1. Why would the gate glider technology be any different from normal death glider technology.
2. If anything it has to be simpler. It wouldn't need space capabilities, only getting back to an orbiting Hat'tak.
3. If you need to aim the glider at a gate manually (an act requiring great skill), then it obviously doesn't have any extras to aim it at the gate.

Another thing why call them death gliders, why not simply gliders, i think this is a good reason why.

1. Not different. The only difference was about the shape of the gate glider. It only needs appropriate technical plan.

2. Well, space capabilities would still be a plus. Btw, I wonder how can a glider dock into an orbiting ship without space capabilities. Ok, that's just nitpicking, but it implies that the glider should have some strong repulsor lift technology.
But now, given that all the Goa'uld ships don't have engines to propel themselves except for the bomber, then it wouldn't be that stretched to assume that gate gliders should be able to fly in space, because if they don't use engines, then what's the difference between repulsor lift and self propelling in space without any noticeable gravitationnal forces ?

Err... in fact, if you have an answer to that question, please quote me and post it to the thread I opened a while ago the lack/presence of engines of Goa'uld ships (http://www.ascifi.com/forums/showthr...threadid=12684).

3. Yes it does, since it requires great skill, and still doesn't make the process less dangerous, even for the most talented pilots. What I'm talking about here is a common procedure, which could be quickly and easily used by any pilot. Think of a standard procedure, and not what the thing actually is as being a very rare figure that only top ace pilots can deliver.

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Now, I still wonder why we never saw Goa'uld ground based tanks.

When you look at the gliders, it's quite obvious that though they are extremely manoeuverable, they have very limited shielding, armour against energetic weapons and their aiming capabilities are greatly reduced by the fact they constantly move.

Groud based vehicles, be they using wheels, legs or caterpillar tracks, could provide much more fire power, with more aiming capabilities, and yet have better shielding and armour.

[PTeppic]

Originally posted by Ko'or Oragahn
Ra easily understood what the role of the device brought by Jack was. This god even knew that the device (bomb) was the product of human's technology, a technology which gave them the capacity to fiddle with atomic structure to a certain extent.
And finally, Ra knew what to do to enhance the destructive power of the bomb.

Btw, in The Warrior, Jaffas rebels used a naquadah bomb attached to the body, and in Singularity, Cassandra had an implanted naquadah bomb within her.

Good point. I hadn't seen either "The Warrior" or "Fail Safe" when I made the comment. Perhaps they don't need to use bombs - they simply use their energy weapons from an orbiting Ha'tak. It would probably be just as powerful as most non-nuclear bombs we would use on Earth. And we know (e.g. "TBFTGOG" that they do use nuclear-type weapons if necessary...

Now, I still wonder why we never saw Goa'uld ground based tanks.

Awesome thought - all the technology of the Goa'uld in a tank-like device....

[Ko'or Oragahn]

1. Right. But now, since they seem reluctant to use bombs, I still hope that we'll see some "death from above" weapon, I mean some kind of DBZ, a complete wipeout from orbit. It is said that Ha'Tak vessels can destroy planets. I'm still waiting for that, because I can't remember seeing anything like that.

2. I'd really love to see tanks. But I tihnk it's time to open a new thread.

[PTeppic]

DBZ??

Is this something like a fuel-air bomb - as discussed in the movie "Outbreak"?

As for ha'taks being really powerful from orbit - every time we have seen them attack somewhere they have always used death gliders, or even ground troops. Not what you would expect from a powerful orbital attack ship?

[Svarog]

DBZ- dragonball Z (i think). They enjoy throwing large energy balls from high up and blowing up entire planets.

Season 5 spoilers look away!

What about Svarog (yes me) and his ship in the Sentinel. He fires large blasts at the city, using his ship.

[Ko'or Oragahn]

Sorry boys, I inversed the letters.
BDZ is a total Expanded Universe notion of Star Wars, and stands for Base Delta Zero.
But also check here if you want to hear both sides (note that the guy who wrote that consider all warsies to be identical, but yet fails to realize that a lot, if not the majority of people, do clearly separate the EU from the canon films).

So anyway, PTeppic, that's right, I want to see that happen in Stargate !

[McHorde-Trooper]

I'm not sure, but did anyone mention . .

Since the Goa'uld steal technology and adapt it. Maybe this
gate glider was designed by some other race who had not
thought any other way to travel. Or maybe that is the race's
traditional way to travel through gates.

Goa'uld have stopped making / using them because of the
skill that's needed to pilot them, but that may not be
the only reason.

I think we will learn more about ship travel through gates
when the new spin-off series starts airing.