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Old 6th August 2004, 08:34 PM   #76 (permalink)
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I wasn't too impressed with this film, for me it was really similar to the first one. And for some reason, Peter seemed very whiney and annoying. :disgust:

But I did like Octavius, and the train scene was brilliant.
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Old 9th August 2004, 04:39 PM   #77 (permalink)
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just two words for peter though....SECRET IDENTITY
is there anyone left in his life, or possible new york, that doesn't know who he is?
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Old 12th August 2004, 03:00 PM   #78 (permalink)
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Re: Post-Spiderman 2 discussion (dont look if you dont want plot spoliers!!!)

Well, I finally got around to see the movie and I thought it great! Ok, there were some things that surprised me, like to revelation towards MJ at the end. I thought it a bit early. On the other hand, in regards to Parker's continuous bad luck, it would have been unbelievable if MJ had stuck around for him much longer...

Concerning the question of 3 following movies... Why not let Spidey age? Let him have kids and stuff... On the other hand, this is supposed to be a bunch of action hero movies... Not much room for kids there...
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Old 31st January 2005, 06:20 AM   #79 (permalink)
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Late opinion on Spiderman 2. It sucked.

WARNING, SPOILERS!


Just watched it on DVD this weekend and boy was I disappointed. I cannot understand the incredibly ludicrous changed that were made, nor the number of mistakes, nor the dullness between the repetitive fight scenes, nor the hype that was surrounding the movie.

I just could not wait for it to end! I mean, sequels are almost always just remakes of the original, but to do it so blatantly??? Maryjane and Aunt May kidnapped/assaulted AGAIN? Spidey revealing his identity to the bad guy AGAIN? Bad guy struggling with conflicting emotions...AGAIN?

Biggest problems I had with the film:

1. Spidey seems to have a selective spider sense at times...sometimes it works...sometimes it dont...granted it could have been because of his other powers failing...but somehow I do not think the guys in charge thought that far ahead.

2. Doc Oc talking to his tentacles? What the hell? Since when? That was just stupid, they are just arms...it was more cool to think of them as extensions of himself than another living organism...and what was up with those mewling/squeaking noise they made? That was just stupid. In fact, his chatting to the arms...reminded me a lot of the relationship that hosts had with their symbiote costumes. (Aka Venom)

3. Doc Oc shrugging off Spideys punches. What? Octavius is just a normal fat guy, that's all. His tentacles are super strong though, each one being able to lift 3 tons if I am not mistaken. Otto was the first villian that Spidey was not able to beat straight away, he could never get close enough to hit him...because all it would take to knock him out is one punch!!! (As has happened in lots of issues) but in this film, Spidey (who is strong enough to hoist a tank over his head in the comics and in the film, stops a runaway train.) punches him full on...without even knocking him out?

4. Otto is instructed to find Parker and ask him where Spiderman is, cos he is the key to getting him. So what does the genius scientist do? THROW A CAR AT HIM? Yeah, cos if I wanted to talk to someone I would try kill them first. THEN HE BURIES HIM UNDER RUBBLE???? Where is the logic?

The cool things about the movie were the little touches.

1 Peter's one armed lecturer is Doctor John Conners...aka...THE LIZARD!

2 Jamesons spaceman son becomes Moonwolf and later is in charge of rehabilitating super powered criminals

3 Bruce Campbell AKA Ash from the EVIL DEAD series of films as the usher in the cinema. This was probably my favourite part in the movie.

4 Stan Lee saving a woman from falling rubble

5 Matthew Perry AKA Chandler from Friends, buying a newspaper.
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Old 31st January 2005, 09:01 AM   #80 (permalink)
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Re: Late opinion on Spiderman 2. It sucked.

Right, so the movie being funny, well-shot, emotionally-complex (or at least more so than most superhero adaptations) passably faithful (this is the film, after all. You get surprisingly-few complaints about Spidey's ability to organically synthesise webbing, but complaints about the introduction of a character element to the villain that makes him less two-dimensional and far more understandable and real) and all that doesn't do anything for you? It had a few clunky moments but it ran smoother than the original, and I think the whole car thing was supposed to be (on a level under than its 'pretty cool' factor) the fact that his arms are crazy killbots and he isn't. The complaints you've listed are all fairly trivial, but if that's how you choose to approach comic-book films in a world where anything other than absolute drivel is rare, suit yourself. As to the replay of the first script, it's Spiderman. It's not The Watchmen.
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Old 31st January 2005, 09:15 AM   #81 (permalink)
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Re: Late opinion on Spiderman 2. It sucked.

You thought it was emotionally complex and funny? Spiderman 2? As for my complaints, they may be trivial to you, but they are after all my opinion.

I go to see a superhero movie expecting the elements of the comic to make a somewhat successful transition to the big screen. When changes are needlessly put in, it becomes a bit confusing and stupid for fans of the series. Two dimensional villians are what superhero comics are all about. I'm supposed to believe that Doc Ocks arms were the real evil? Since when? Otto was always unhinged, even before he gained his arms.

And um...the webbing...that is not anything new..that was covered in the first film and carried over, I'm talking about the sequel.
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Old 31st January 2005, 09:46 AM   #82 (permalink)
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Re: Late opinion on Spiderman 2. It sucked.

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You thought it was emotionally complex and funny? Spiderman 2? As for my complaints, they may be trivial to you, but they are after all my opinion.

I go to see a superhero movie expecting the elements of the comic to make a somewhat successful transition to the big screen. When changes are needlessly put in, it becomes a bit confusing and stupid for fans of the series. Two dimensional villians are what superhero comics are all about. I'm supposed to believe that Doc Ocks arms were the real evil? Since when? Otto was always unhinged, even before he gained his arms.

And um...the webbing...that is not anything new..that was covered in the first film and carried over, I'm talking about the sequel.
For Doc Ock arms, since some story in 90s, IIRC, in the comics. Don't worry, Spiderman 3 could be about Clone saga.
And, on this one I agree with Poly, as a movie Spiderman 2 was well above most comics adaptations, and above most movies produced in 2004.
Now, as in terms of loyalty to the comics that's another question, but these days not even recent comics are loyal to the character. So...
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Old 31st January 2005, 09:50 AM   #83 (permalink)
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Re: Late opinion on Spiderman 2. It sucked.

I agree that basically all superhero movies suck...my biggest complaint about this one was that I actually did enjoy Spiderman (for the most part) and everyone raved about this film. I normally don't fall for hype, but I guess I was expecting too much.

The clone saga is what really killed the modern spiderman stories, I must admit...my knowledge goes as far as the Maximum Carnage series. I know Scarlet Spider and Jackal were around quite some time before then, but when they started the whole spidey quitting thing...it became too much effort to enjoy them anymore.
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Old 31st January 2005, 12:20 PM   #84 (permalink)
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Re: Late opinion on Spiderman 2. It sucked.

Flash Gordan is the greatest comic book film ever made.
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Old 31st January 2005, 12:44 PM   #85 (permalink)
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Re: Late opinion on Spiderman 2. It sucked.

The one with Max Von Sydow as Ming? And the queen soundtrack? I love that film.

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Old 31st January 2005, 12:52 PM   #86 (permalink)
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Re: Late opinion on Spiderman 2. It sucked.

Vile - but glorious non the less.

Flesh Gordon being the porny alternative.....
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Old 31st January 2005, 04:16 PM   #87 (permalink)
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Re: Late opinion on Spiderman 2. It sucked.

I didn't like Spiderman 2, but I was never hot on the comics too. Teeny photoromance mixed with a few action setups doesn't do it for me.
Amongst films based on comic book characters, I liked Richard Donner's Superman and Tim Burton's Batman movies. Batman Returns was especially brilliant in its good parts only it got a bit muddled between it's truly anguished moments and the exchanging silly one-liners moments.
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Old 31st January 2005, 04:21 PM   #88 (permalink)
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Re: Late opinion on Spiderman 2. It sucked.

I didn't like Spiderman 2, but I was never hot on the comics too. Teeny photoromance mixed with a few action setups doesn't do it for me.
Amongst films based on comic book characters, I liked Richard Donner's Superman and Tim Burton's Batman movies. Batman Returns was especially brilliant in its good parts only it got a bit muddled between it's truly anguished moments and the exchanging silly one-liners moments.
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Old 31st January 2005, 04:33 PM   #89 (permalink)
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Re: Late opinion on Spiderman 2. It sucked.

The new Batman film actually does look a little promising - going back to simplicity, rather than glamour, by the looks:
Film trailers to watch
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Old 1st February 2005, 03:27 PM   #90 (permalink)
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Re: Late opinion on Spiderman 2. It sucked.

The new Batman film has some interesting actors but I'll reserve judgement till I see he final product. Christian Bale's voiceover in the trailer I saw once seemed a bit too deadpan and I'm not quite happy with what Christopher Nolan achieved in Insomnia. But anyway, this does sound decent on the whole and I like that they're going to use Ras-Al Ghul as one of the villains.

I'm however more excited about the upcoming Superman film. Bryan Singer's comment that the Donner films have an influence on how he envisions his version of the Man of Steel hold grand promise for this old-skool fan.
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