6.01: Redemption Part one

[gategeek]

okay guys, i'm not a shipper and i didn't notice any shippiness in this ep BUT i really don't see the need to mock people who did. and while i'm on my soapbox can i just say this - WILL YOU PEOPLE PULL IN YOUR CLAWS FCOL! it sounds like a sorority house at "that time of the month" around here.
shanilka

[Anni]

Shanilka.....calm down a little. I understand that you are concerned that claws might be out, but no one was actually mocking the shippers here...... Personally I found no shippiness in the episode at all and was trying to make light of the fact that some shippiness was apparently detected...possibly with a microscope.

What we are doing is discussing aspects of the episode that we agreed or disagreed with. Discussion generally comes from all points of view. There are those who will 'oooooo' and 'aaaaaaaa' right throught the eppy and do the same when posting, that is their prerogative and their opinions are viable....there are others who will be aggravated at some bits or have opinions about performances or things they think could have been done better and their opinions are just as viable as those who want to oo and aa because for them it's quite simply their Stargate fix. If we appear to state strong opinions, it does not mean that we hate each other or the series.

There is also no need to shout. We were having a very amicable discussion. Nobody has their claws out....

If someone flames someone else, or is deliberately obstructive and rude to another poster then either Rowan, Skydiver or I would have taken them to task for it because that is not allowed.

Feasible and reasonable discussion without resort to personal insult and individual flaming is.

[CynVision]

I'm feeling that some people's definition of "shipping scene" is Jack and Sam in the same room, without guns, without crisis and nothing military to talk about. But really how fun is it to have that all the time? I'm relying on folks like Anni and Rowan to tell me what's outside the bounds of military conduct. I'm not worried by people getting passionate about the subject. People have to wait for Gatecon to hit me upside the head to enforce their point.

But I'm hunting for my Mystery Science Theater 3000 .wav of the title credits "repeat to yourself 'it's just a show,' I should really just relax!" I'll share with everyone.

[CynVision]

Originally posted by Anni
There are those who will 'oooooo' and 'aaaaaaaa' right throught the eppy

Hehe, more for me the cats make themselves scarse because I'm bouncing around. I love watching new episodes. I've always loved new eps of whatever show I'm a fan of. I'm mostly yelling at the TV "look at that new X302! Cool!" "Ha! Teal'c's treating it like a brand new sport's car!" And "that effect looks like the wormhole from Farscape and Babylon 5! Arrg!"

Then I watch the VCR tape and pick them apart.

[Anni]

LOL......I reckon you and my son would get along like a house on fire. He yells at the TV too. I go away and look for cotton wool!

Occasionally I might groan out loud and even say Oh Puhleeese! if something suspends disbelief, but mostly I am well behaved and quiet.

[Hatshepsut]

Originally posted by CynVision
I'm mostly yelling at the TV "look at that new X302! Cool!"

The Spitfire flew round our house twice yesterday - well, technically, it was around Waltham Windmill. Now that really is cool! It has to be one of the most beautiful and graceful 'planes ever to take to the air. And functional. Very, very functional.

Forget the X302. Just scramble a squadron of Spits.

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut - Spitfire groupie :wave:
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[gategeek]

sorry about the yelling. i just had one post too many hit me the wrong way on a monday morning. this whole fandom fiasco reminds me of an on line essay i read recently called "white line fever". it's about character obsession in fandom.
http://trickster.org/radiofree/annezo/Fever.html
i highly recommend it.
shanilka

[Hatshepsut]

Yup, a good article

I so agree with the bit about "believable characterization".

BTW, is Methos a bad guy? If so, Peter Wingfield must be getting type-cast - on both sides of the Atlantic...

But then, being British almost guarantees you a villainous role :lol:

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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[Highlander II]

Anni - you crack me up!!

Originally posted by Hatshepsut
BTW, is Methos a bad guy? If so, Peter Wingfield must be getting type-cast - on both sides of the Atlantic...

But then, being British almost guarantees you a villainous role :lol:

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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No - Methos is not a bad guy - well, not as initially introduced on Highlander, tho there is a storyline semi-outlining a bit of his past where he wasn't the 'boy scout' (hehe) ---

(hit the Highlander link in my sig if you wanna read more about Highlander and Methos! <shameless plug>)

[Texane]

Originally posted by Hatshepsut
Being a science-fiction fan requires that one suspends one's disbelief for the sake of the story - the journey... And one does that willingly, gladly.

It is therefore incumbent on the writers to place the minimum strain on that goodwill.

We accept the Stargate and wormhole technology. It goes with the territory. However, creating a character with flaws that would automatically bar him utterly from being in the team, and giving him the magical ability to be able to understand anything he reads goes wa-ay beyond the line.

This is fantasy, not science fiction. We've already got the Lord of the Nazgul in Anubis. What's next, Frodo Baggins? Legolas? Now I'm sure he would up the ratings!

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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As usual, I'm with ya, Hatshepsut. :dead:

[Texane]

Originally posted by Anni
Shanilka.....calm down a little. I understand that you are concerned that claws might be out, but no one was actually mocking the shippers here...... Personally I found no shippiness in the episode at all and was trying to make light of the fact that some shippiness was apparently detected...possibly with a microscope.

We've discussed in the past re: J&S that much of the "shippiness" is actually created by the fans, and is not specifically in the epys.

[Texane]

Originally posted by gategeek
okay guys, i'm not a shipper and i didn't notice any shippiness in this ep BUT i really don't see the need to mock people who did. and while i'm on my soapbox can i just say this - WILL YOU PEOPLE PULL IN YOUR CLAWS FCOL! it sounds like a sorority house at "that time of the month" around here.
shanilka

I beg your pardon (says a greek gal)?

[gategeek]

Originally posted by Texane
I beg your pardon (says a greek gal)?

in that case, you know exactly what i mean...:evil:
shanilka

[Rowan]

Oaky folks... deep breath time.

Some folks don't see the potential for ship. Some folks don't see the potential for slash. And that's cool. Variety is what makes the world go around.

Please remember it's very hard to actually get a feel for what a person is saying in electronic media. I've reviewed the posts and I honestly don't see a slam anywhere.

Rowan

[Hatshepsut]

Originally posted by Highlander II
No - Methos is not a bad guy - well, not as initially introduced on Highlander, tho there is a storyline semi-outlining a bit of his past where he wasn't the 'boy scout' (hehe) ---

(hit the Highlander link in my sig if you wanna read more about Highlander and Methos! <shameless plug>)

Thanks for that. It was very interesting

So Methos is an animated spin-off with Peter Wingfield providing the voice over? Interesting time-line. According to Budge, the first Dynasty, from Thinis, began c.4,400 B.C., not 3,100 B.C., but we all know what Dr. Jackson thought about Budge! :lol:

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut - who first saw the original 'Highlander' film in April 1986, six months before it went on general release. </smug> :wave:

P.S. It was slightly different from the final version that reached the cinemas.
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