6.01: Redemption Part one

[Hatshepsut]

Originally posted by CynVision
Sam's just plain tapped out

As opposed to Tapp-ing...?

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut - <G.,D. & R.> :wave:
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[CynVision]

Originally posted by skydiver
and they say that the symbiote has no gender (marty in tokra).

someone else suggested that maybe jaffa women get snakes after they reach the end of thier child bearing years. i dunno....given how a symbiote mucks with a woman's biology

That sounds like a good idea.

on your first point: yeah, no gender. But (see the point below), I think Marty was being rather general, or overly specific to Lantash. But I'm not saying the symbiote has gender, only that after implanting it takes makes a balance with the sex of the Jaffa. So it would explain why Teal'c was the one in Bloodlines to give the symbiote to his son over his mother having been able to if she had one then. And also the culture could play a part. She'd never consider giving her son her symbiote because of what is taught in the culture. And taboos usually have a grain of truth at the heart of them...

Hehe. :rolly2: After a set age we have to have Goa'uld changing to one sex or other or we wouldn't have the queen Goa'uld and... other Goa'uld.

And also, as for the pregger thing, the young Goa'uld could act completely different in the Jaffa stage vs. the full hosted stage. Like butterflies. Catapillers go round eating leaves, butterflies do the flowers. Two stages with different needs and effects. But I do agree with the whole messing with the metabolism thing. They seem mutually exclusive goals. Either the females produce more little Jaffa to take symbiotes or they do the hosting thing. Or do the hosting thing after they're mature women with the greater ability/mass/support to host a symbiote.

my word. I bet there's a thread to hash this out on somewhere...

[Bizarro7]

*This* is the season premiere, supposedly one of their bests efforts? Oh dear.

When I wasn't cringing at the segments glorifying Jonas (I suspect that'll get worse in Part II), I actually found myself falling asleep. It was shockingly dull.

And more than one of my on-line friends commented that the holographic image of Anubis looked like a large penis.

Leah

[Rowan]

My problem?

Jonas makes the statement that he's basically an anthropologist/archeologist type in "Meridian".

So, I might go with him making sense out of Daniel's textx, but - reading Sam's high end math/physicis and finding a flaw in the naquadria design after only a few hours?

Nope. Just can't go with that.

Rowan

[Texane]

Ooh…and for those of you keeping score….it's RDA, AT, CJ, DSD then CN

As a scorekeeper, I've gotta tell ya, Sky, they gave CN credit before Don Davis . . . and doesn't that just s**k.

"So how do I know which color to wear?"

Oh, boy. A real rocket scientist. Yawn. :dead:

[Texane]

Originally posted by Rowan
My problem? Jonas makes the statement that he's basically an anthropologist/archeologist type in "Meridian".

He's a politician who previously worked for a politician who wants to set off a weapon that equates to 100,000 nuclear warheads. :dead:

[Anni]

Sounds like a blast.........not.

I am just raising myself from the dead sleep of the overworked and underpaid and every list I come to either has these comments or something like them.....or panic stricken folk looking for a download.

Anubis looks like a large penis? Hmmm......wasn't there a fanfic on Heliopolis that had SG! bringing back a six foot penis through the gate? Or something very much like it! Perhaps BW has been cathcing up on the fanfic during the show hiatus!

As to the download thing......I belong to a couple of lists and there are sporadic and cyptic postings from people saying mysterious things like "I am in the middle of the download right now!", presumably just to titillate those on the list who are desperate to see Redemption. However when pressed, the post of mysterious postings gives a download site which doesn't have the episode up yet!

God.....there's one born every minute.....and nowhere are they more numerous than amongst the gullible online Stargate fandom.

I think I'll wait to view this episode. It sounds full of the things that turn me off.....like S & J moments.....or even Anubis is a penis!

:evil:

[Rowan]

Anubis has a certain 'overt' Darth Vader quality, not counting the rather 'anatomical' appearance.

Rowan

[Hatshepsut]

Originally posted by Rowan
My problem?

Jonas makes the statement that he's basically an anthropologist/archeologist type in "Meridian".

So, I might go with him making sense out of Daniel's textx, but - reading Sam's high end math/physicis and finding a flaw in the naquadria design after only a few hours?

Nope. Just can't go with that.

So you're coming around to my way of thinking?

Being a science-fiction fan requires that one suspends one's disbelief for the sake of the story - the journey... And one does that willingly, gladly.

It is therefore incumbent on the writers to place the minimum strain on that goodwill.

We accept the Stargate and wormhole technology. It goes with the territory. However, creating a character with flaws that would automatically bar him utterly from being in the team, and giving him the magical ability to be able to understand anything he reads goes wa-ay beyond the line.

This is fantasy, not science fiction. We've already got the Lord of the Nazgul in Anubis. What's next, Frodo Baggins? Legolas? Now I'm sure he would up the ratings!

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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[Anni]

Okay.....I did download the episode even though I HATE watching in squintyvision.

Firstly.....I agree with Jack.......who the f*%&$k talks like that? I find it hard to believe that given everything the Goa'uld know about the Tau'ri, that they would still insist on talking as though we were all primitives and would be impressed by statements like: "Prepare to meet your doom!"

Oh puh.....leeeeease! You know? Anubis would have had far more impact had he stood there and calmly said "Look humans.....you've had a good little run for your money, but now it's time to call a halt to it. There's nothing you can do to stop me, so just give it up."

As for the penis bit......well, he did look like a penis when he was just standing there, until he raised his arms, then he looked like a penis with arms. More than that though......and I reckon Rowan will probably agree with me here......he actually looked a lot more like a middle eastern female dressed in a burkha and veils. We used to nickname them 'Guiness Bottles' when we were there during the Gulf War, but that might have been just a British squaddie thing. The thing is that we all know that those pesky humans are going to figure a way out of all this because the ensuing episode spoilers indicate it. If Anubis gets killed in the second part then this will also show that the producers and writers really do think that fans are gullible and dumb, because there's no way that guy would be where anyone could get him.

The scenes between Teal'c and boy.....were okay but the boy irritated the life out of me. And I'm not sure why really. CJ actually got to do some acting......way to go Teal'c!

Jonas....well, I found myself not minding the character at all. Okay, so he isn't Daniel, but then he doesn't pretend to be. I thought his great intelligence suspended disbelief a little, but his efforts to be accepted were feasible.

I think Sam looks tired and fed up. She needs to go and find a handsome, powerful System Lord, sink into his arms and get lots of sex. Maybe that will be the season closer. Anubis isn't a huge penis after all.....he turns into a handsome guy WITH a huge er.......you know what... and he carries Sam off to be his beloved. Although that ain't gonna happen unless she does something with her hair! Her hair looked as though she was constantly dragging her hands through it.

Jack....was...well....very much like my view of him....ruffled, confused, cynical, boyish and dumb all at the same time. Someone said there were S & J moments? Um....I think I missed them.

Ah well.....it was very much as I imagined it would be. We now have to wait and see if earth is destroyed (not!). Sam will pull some sort of idea out of her butt.....or she'll pull it out of McKay's butt.....or even Jonas' butt. More likely the latter and then Jack will accept him as a bone fide member of SG1 (I can hear Jobeth and Hat spluttering furiously even now, when they read this Hee hee! :evil: :evil:

[Hatshepsut]

Actually no, Anni. The way you tell it, it all sounds rather anodyne <yawn>

As for the 'prepare to meet your doom' bit - which doesn't surprise me in the least - it just vindicates my comments about Stargate heading for D.C. Comics territory

As for the animated 'spin-off' series, I suspect that 'Stargate S.G. -1' will move ever closer to it and the season finale will actually segue from live action to animation so you won't notice the join...

Just like nobody noticed Daniel metamorphosing into Quinn. :blah:

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:

P.S. Is Sam still wearing immaculate maquillage? Anni, How many soldiers check their mascara before going into battle? Woad, I could understand!

P.P.S. Doesn't anybody know who wrote this episode?
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[Anni]

Hatshepsut wrote:

P.S. Is Sam still wearing immaculate maquillage? Anni, How many soldiers check their mascara before going into battle? Woad, I could understand!

Oh yes......her make up is immaculate, perfect mascara, just enough tint of eyeshadow to make her eyes stand out just right, a peachy glow on the perfect smooth and flawless cheeks and as for that pink lipstick......it doesn't EVER get smeared. I want to get myself some lipstick like that.

I never checked my mascara because as an active service soldier I didn't have time for such nonsense. When you face some guy who's going to shoot you, the last thing on yours or his mind is the peachy perfect flawlessness of your appearance!

And even give that Sam was in the HQ, and sitting there in her lab aching over the solution to the problem I would have expected as some stage that she would rub her eyes and end up looking like a panda like the rest of us mortals.

Shame on you Hat.....Super Sam looking mortal or human? Nah.....not in this lifetime.

I don't think we'll ever get Sam looking human like the rest of us. Even in real life she is a sanitary looking as she is on film. I can't imagine getting down to a good and basic bout of rolling in the hay with some guy, not even her husband, not even with all the nudge nudge wink wink comments she gives at the conventions.

[gategeek]

just watched on squinty vision
things i liked about this ep-
- they've gone through 9 people in 3 months trying to replace daniel. loved jack's comment "next!" as he limped down the ramp in the opening sequence.
- i thought the intro of jonas was handled quite realistically. when he asks sam why he can't get a try out with sg1 sam says "i understand that you want to join sg1 but i just don't see it happening." then in the boxing scene jonas says "colonel o'neill won't even talk to me - he blames me for what happened to dr. jackson". the photographic memory thing didn't really bother me - it's a conveniant way to bring a new cast member up to speed in just a few eps. all in all i liked him much better than i did in meridian.
-LOTS of teal'c -woohoo! CJ did a great job in the scenes with ryac and bratac. he also had a nice scene with jack. loved the "he's an alien" line.
- i thought the script did a good job of using dialogue to bring new viewers up to speed with past events.
- graham simmons is back and looking all grown up now (not such a babyface anymore)
- we got a brief glimpse of sparky (sgt. siler)
- the scene with the russian colonel was quite amusing but i especially liked that they at least gave a nod to military decorum. after chekov leaves jack says "i meant no disrespect to you sir" and hammond replies "i should have reprimanded you in front of the colonel...".
- mckay from 48 hours was back. he was annoying as usual but i liked that they actually let him be right and sam be wrong about the X-303. liked his line "so i guess i'll just go grab a coffee and a donut and wait for the big bang"
-hammy was front and center and in fine form the entire ep. i LOVE him!
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things i didn't like about this ep -
-the flight suits - who designed those?
- no dr.frasier (maybe next week?)
that's about all i can think of at the moment. i'm looking forward to part 2.
shanilka

[Hatshepsut]

Well, I can understand Sam wearing make-up for special events like visits to Washington. Likewise, I don't have a problem with Amanda Tapping 'putting on a face' to meet the fans.

However, it does rather surprise me that, as a 'female actor', she puts up with being clarted up with the stuff for everyday life at S.G.C. I would have expected her to insist on the same amount of make-up that R.D.A. and M.S. have/had.

No, don't even mention Teal'c...

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut - who was also a tomboy in her youth and still can't be bothered with make-up... :wave:
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[skydiver]

that's the bad thing about being 'the girl' on the show...she almost always looks good. I seem to recall AT saying interview after interview that she likes it when she gets to get dirty and not be all made up. But...that's just the way it is.

anyone else have a problem with teh women jaffa all of a sudden having symbiotes? yes, they've never explicitly said they don't but given the general jaffa attitude towards women and teal'c's comment that 'out symbiotes are only as strong as the jaffa that carries them' it would imply that it's the guys that have the snakes in the family.
there's also the simple fact of the female biology and how having a symbiote has to muck up your biology. junior obviously retards tea'c's ageing, also it is his immune system. Now it apparenly has no effects on his fertility given ryac's existance. but male biology is different than female. for a female to be fertile she has to ripen and release an egg every month. It would seem that having a primta would interfere with that.

I know we've seen shonac and the priestess in COTG having snakes, but they were priestesses not your run of the mill jaffa woman.

It also brings a definite time limit to the jaff a rebellion...they have less than 10 years to gain thier freedom from the goauld...or they're dead.