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Tabitha · 18th June 2002, 09:06 PM

My point was: There can be more than two Siths.

Yes they still come in pairs, but surely there can be more than two at any given time.
I wonder who Dooku has been training.... And, as Skip mentioned, who trained Sidious.

Skip · 18th June 2002, 09:29 PM

.....Would it be possible for, once upon a time when the Force is foggy- a leading Jedi, maybe even a Councilor, to be a Sith??? Perhaps.

And we all know who Sidious has his eye on next!

Which would lead to the question: why only Vader and Sidious later? They wiped out as many Force-adepts as they could... so as not to challenge their own power, obviously... so if there were other Sith... they're going to be betrayed!

HeyLynny · 24th June 2002, 02:29 AM

Diamond, You're right! Then who the heck is Sifo Dyas? Does anyone know?

Skip · 24th June 2002, 08:17 PM

Here's the thread: Who is Syfo-Dias?

Hope that helps!

pkgrl · 9th July 2002, 03:34 AM

You guys sound plenty confused, and I think you're just trying too hard to read into it.

Syfo Dias can't be Sidious/Palpatine because of the reasons mentioned. Syfo Dias was not only a Jedi, meaning he grew up in the temple, but he was on the Jedi Counsel, meaning he devoted his life to maintaining the Jedi Order. He may have been manipulated or betrayed, but he wasn't Sidious. Palpatine/Sidious has not devoted his life to the Jedi order, but to politics. Remember Obi-Wan's words: "He is a politician... not to be trusted... very good at swaying with the prejudices of the Senate." It's very doubtful ANY Jedi Counsel member would EVER enter into politics.

Now, remember this. As a politician, Palpatine is outstanding at manipulation. He's been orchestrating his rise and the decline of the Republic and especially the Jedi for YEARS. Even before TPM, he was already (as Sidious) positioning Naboo and the Trade Federation into conflict. Everything he does adds to the debates in the Senate and taxes the Jedi's resources. His ultimate goal is not only supreme power for himself, but the elimination of the Jedi, since they are the only REAL threat to the Sith.

As for the Sith, it's been well established in LOTS of the SW literature that there can be only two... a master and an apprentice, and that the apprentice is always scheming, trying to find his/her own way to the position of master. That's why Vader tried so hard to tempt Luke. With Luke as his apprentice, they could destroy Palpatine and Vader could take over. It's the nature of the Sith that there can't be more. There were at one time, but they destroyed themselves. Not enough power to go around. (You gotta go way back to the "ancient" history told in the comic book series' Golden Age of the Sith, Dark Lords of the Sith and The Sith War for all this info) This is one of the things Lucas stuck to, so I'm sure we won't see any more than two Sith lords at any one time in the films. Doesn't mean there aren't people studying the Sith "teachings" around the SW galaxy. They just aren't very powerful.

Anything look clearer? More confused?

HeyLynny · 10th July 2002, 01:53 AM

Still a bit confused. But not as much as before. People are posting really good ideas and theories that all make sense. Only time will tell. (3 long years)

Jaffa-Jim · 29th July 2002, 03:13 AM

What I don't get is why the Jedi haven't started choking "Force Choking" people yet- did Anakin invent this, as Vader?

pkgrl · 29th July 2002, 04:39 AM

I don't know if Anakin "invented" it, but when his emotions begin to take control of him, we'll have to watch out for more things like this. The force-choke is kind of a knee-jerk reaction, an emotional outburst, like a kid hitting his mom when she ****es him off. The kid might not mean to hurt his mom, but it's a gut reaction to being mad at her. Vader's had years of reinforcement of this kind of behavior, so he continues to use it.

Just an off the cuff opinion, so feel free to bag it if you want to.

HeyLynny · 6th August 2002, 02:46 AM

Sounds plausible to me!

ray gower · 19th November 2002, 11:36 PM

I struggled to stay with the immediate plot, let alone the side and back plots!

I had to watch the vid three times before I realised that the Annekin bits had little to do with the rest of the film parse, but the foundation of his corruption for the next!

Jaffa-Jim · 20th November 2002, 12:44 AM

Episode 3 is going to be so dark and foreboding- can't wait! Anyone see Ep2 IMAX? It rocked!

Analise · 8th July 2003, 12:58 AM

Semi-random note:

If you read Cloak of Deception by James Luceno, you get a _really_ good look at how palpy/sideous orchestrates stuff to his advantage. It's really amazing.

~ana

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18th June 2002, 09:06 PM	#16 (permalink)
Tabitha Save Angel! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,638	My point was: There can be more than two Siths. Yes they still come in pairs, but surely there can be more than two at any given time. I wonder who Dooku has been training.... And, as Skip mentioned, who trained Sidious.

18th June 2002, 09:29 PM	#17 (permalink)
Skip Odi et amo et- CRUCIO! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Manchester. UK. Or near as dammit. Posts: 4,670	.....Would it be possible for, once upon a time when the Force is foggy- a leading Jedi, maybe even a Councilor, to be a Sith??? Perhaps. And we all know who Sidious has his eye on next! Which would lead to the question: why only Vader and Sidious later? They wiped out as many Force-adepts as they could... so as not to challenge their own power, obviously... so if there were other Sith... they're going to be betrayed!

24th June 2002, 02:29 AM	#18 (permalink)
HeyLynny Explorer Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: New York Posts: 621	Diamond, You're right! Then who the heck is Sifo Dyas? Does anyone know?

24th June 2002, 08:17 PM	#19 (permalink)
Skip Odi et amo et- CRUCIO! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Manchester. UK. Or near as dammit. Posts: 4,670	Here's the thread: Who is Syfo-Dias? Hope that helps!

9th July 2002, 03:34 AM	#20 (permalink)
pkgrl Ultimate J/A shipper! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,423	You guys sound plenty confused, and I think you're just trying too hard to read into it. Syfo Dias can't be Sidious/Palpatine because of the reasons mentioned. Syfo Dias was not only a Jedi, meaning he grew up in the temple, but he was on the Jedi Counsel, meaning he devoted his life to maintaining the Jedi Order. He may have been manipulated or betrayed, but he wasn't Sidious. Palpatine/Sidious has not devoted his life to the Jedi order, but to politics. Remember Obi-Wan's words: "He is a politician... not to be trusted... very good at swaying with the prejudices of the Senate." It's very doubtful ANY Jedi Counsel member would EVER enter into politics. Now, remember this. As a politician, Palpatine is outstanding at manipulation. He's been orchestrating his rise and the decline of the Republic and especially the Jedi for YEARS. Even before TPM, he was already (as Sidious) positioning Naboo and the Trade Federation into conflict. Everything he does adds to the debates in the Senate and taxes the Jedi's resources. His ultimate goal is not only supreme power for himself, but the elimination of the Jedi, since they are the only REAL threat to the Sith. As for the Sith, it's been well established in LOTS of the SW literature that there can be only two... a master and an apprentice, and that the apprentice is always scheming, trying to find his/her own way to the position of master. That's why Vader tried so hard to tempt Luke. With Luke as his apprentice, they could destroy Palpatine and Vader could take over. It's the nature of the Sith that there can't be more. There were at one time, but they destroyed themselves. Not enough power to go around. (You gotta go way back to the "ancient" history told in the comic book series' Golden Age of the Sith, Dark Lords of the Sith and The Sith War for all this info) This is one of the things Lucas stuck to, so I'm sure we won't see any more than two Sith lords at any one time in the films. Doesn't mean there aren't people studying the Sith "teachings" around the SW galaxy. They just aren't very powerful. Anything look clearer? More confused?

10th July 2002, 01:53 AM	#21 (permalink)
HeyLynny Explorer Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: New York Posts: 621	Still a bit confused. But not as much as before. People are posting really good ideas and theories that all make sense. Only time will tell. (3 long years)

29th July 2002, 03:13 AM	#22 (permalink)
Jaffa-Jim Finally Found My Sha're! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Middletown, NY, USA Posts: 109	What I don't get is why the Jedi haven't started choking "Force Choking" people yet- did Anakin invent this, as Vader?

29th July 2002, 04:39 AM	#23 (permalink)
pkgrl Ultimate J/A shipper! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,423	I don't know if Anakin "invented" it, but when his emotions begin to take control of him, we'll have to watch out for more things like this. The force-choke is kind of a knee-jerk reaction, an emotional outburst, like a kid hitting his mom when she ****es him off. The kid might not mean to hurt his mom, but it's a gut reaction to being mad at her. Vader's had years of reinforcement of this kind of behavior, so he continues to use it. Just an off the cuff opinion, so feel free to bag it if you want to.

6th August 2002, 02:46 AM	#24 (permalink)
HeyLynny Explorer Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: New York Posts: 621	Sounds plausible to me!

19th November 2002, 11:36 PM	#25 (permalink)
ray gower Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Gwynedd Posts: 3,579	I struggled to stay with the immediate plot, let alone the side and back plots! I had to watch the vid three times before I realised that the Annekin bits had little to do with the rest of the film parse, but the foundation of his corruption for the next!

20th November 2002, 12:44 AM	#26 (permalink)
Jaffa-Jim Finally Found My Sha're! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Middletown, NY, USA Posts: 109	Episode 3 is going to be so dark and foreboding- can't wait! Anyone see Ep2 IMAX? It rocked!

8th July 2003, 12:58 AM	#27 (permalink)
Analise Blondishness Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 590	Semi-random note: If you read Cloak of Deception by James Luceno, you get a _really_ good look at how palpy/sideous orchestrates stuff to his advantage. It's really amazing. ~ana