Duration of a wormhole... - Science Fiction Fantasy Chronicles: forums

Mastergoauld · 17th April 2002, 09:39 PM

Have you ever noticed that the duration of a wormhole is very "adapted" to the number of travellers?

How does the gate "knows" if there would be 1,2 or 10 travellers and shuting down just after the travel??
I can understand that with the SGC and the computer which can stop the wormhole at anytime but with a DHD...how is it possible??

I you have a theory...

imported_Marianne · 17th April 2002, 10:28 PM

If you remember the technoblurb in 48 hours when Carter said that the patterns of the travellers were stored in the gate or the DHD crystals or something before reintegration?....perhaps the gate knows when all the patterns have been used and reformed and can shut itself off. Just a thought.

PTeppic · 18th April 2002, 07:48 AM

From what I have seen: total artistic license!!

There are SOME ways they can manually keep the gate open, like sticking something into the event horizon, but there are LOADS of examples where this is not done visibly, yet the gate stays open for minutes whilst they chat just in front of it, and it closes mere seconds after they have travelled through.

Tiberius · 18th April 2002, 04:21 PM

Perhaps some sort of proximity detection? At a store, a door will stay open for you as long as you stand near it. Once you move away, the door closes. It will also close after a prolonged period of time to save on air conditioning.

PTeppic · 18th April 2002, 07:17 PM

Hadn't thought of that, although I don't think it has been explicitly mentioned yet.

We HAVE had explicit references to keeping things in the event horizon to keep it going.

We have also been told that the gate can sense whether there is something inside the event horizon before the wormhole engages, and prevent it if there is (i.e. after burying the gate).

So, with those two examples we DO have, it would not be unrealistic for them to sense/detect presence near the gate.

Mastergoauld · 18th April 2002, 08:29 PM

By the way, in "100 days", how can the gate on the planet "..." can be activated from the SGC after being burried???

PTeppic · 19th April 2002, 07:18 AM

Ah - this one they explain in the show!

[SPOILER - season 4 - "A Hundred Days"]

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All to do with being buried by liquified Naquadah-rich soil, whilst the gate was still operational. The liquified naquadah formed a layer just outside the event horizon, not actually inside the event horizon, which presumably would have happened if the gate had not been active at the time.

Jedispara · 19th April 2002, 09:50 PM

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Originally posted by PTeppic
From what I have seen: total artistic license!!

There are SOME ways they can manually keep the gate open, like sticking something into the event horizon, but there are LOADS of examples where this is not done visibly, yet the gate stays open for minutes whilst they chat just in front of it, and it closes mere seconds after they have travelled through.

um, remeber "WaterGate" from season 4, the water supplied power to the gate, but because of teh transmission from teh drone going through, it kept the gate active.... therefor if they want to keep a gate open they just send a signal through!

Mastergoauld · 19th April 2002, 11:01 PM

Hum...yes why not!
But if a signal is able to keep the gate open for an unlimited time, why does the goauld aren't able to keep a wormhole more than 38 minutes (wright?)
surely because the energy source wasn't enough powerful to keep the wormhole anylonger...

I like your theory but it was never proved in the show for aliens...

For humans, the GDO could be this "signal sender", don't u think?
and when the GDO pass the gate, it can shutdown because there is no more signal through it!

but it doesn't work for goaulds...so I like the "door's store theory" too, lol

Tiberius · 29th April 2002, 04:55 PM

Has anyone ever noticed that in Season 1, Daniel Jackson was standing before the Chappa'ai at the SGC, right next to the MALP. In the background, I could hear, "Chevron 6 engaged, Chevron 7..." and then the scene cut out. However, am I to assume that Thor somehow transported both Daniel and the MALP away before that little wormhole thingie exploded outward, and then wiped thier memories or something? I think that there was an error in that scene. Now I am off to post in that thread about sensing the Chappa'ai.

Jedispara · 3rd May 2002, 04:08 AM

which episode?

17th April 2002, 09:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mastergoauld Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: France Posts: 7	Duration of a wormhole... Have you ever noticed that the duration of a wormhole is very "adapted" to the number of travellers? How does the gate "knows" if there would be 1,2 or 10 travellers and shuting down just after the travel?? I can understand that with the SGC and the computer which can stop the wormhole at anytime but with a DHD...how is it possible?? I you have a theory...

17th April 2002, 10:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
imported_Marianne Gimme HRT and chocolate Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nelson, UK Posts: 156	If you remember the technoblurb in 48 hours when Carter said that the patterns of the travellers were stored in the gate or the DHD crystals or something before reintegration?....perhaps the gate knows when all the patterns have been used and reformed and can shut itself off. Just a thought.

18th April 2002, 07:48 AM	#3 (permalink)
PTeppic Reetou Diplomatic Corp Join Date: May 2001 Location: North-west UK Posts: 3,109	From what I have seen: total artistic license!! There are SOME ways they can manually keep the gate open, like sticking something into the event horizon, but there are LOADS of examples where this is not done visibly, yet the gate stays open for minutes whilst they chat just in front of it, and it closes mere seconds after they have travelled through.

18th April 2002, 04:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
Tiberius Fleet Admiral Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 282	Perhaps some sort of proximity detection? At a store, a door will stay open for you as long as you stand near it. Once you move away, the door closes. It will also close after a prolonged period of time to save on air conditioning.

18th April 2002, 07:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
PTeppic Reetou Diplomatic Corp Join Date: May 2001 Location: North-west UK Posts: 3,109	Hadn't thought of that, although I don't think it has been explicitly mentioned yet. We HAVE had explicit references to keeping things in the event horizon to keep it going. We have also been told that the gate can sense whether there is something inside the event horizon before the wormhole engages, and prevent it if there is (i.e. after burying the gate). So, with those two examples we DO have, it would not be unrealistic for them to sense/detect presence near the gate.

18th April 2002, 08:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
Mastergoauld Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: France Posts: 7	By the way, in "100 days", how can the gate on the planet "..." can be activated from the SGC after being burried???

19th April 2002, 07:18 AM	#7 (permalink)
PTeppic Reetou Diplomatic Corp Join Date: May 2001 Location: North-west UK Posts: 3,109	Ah - this one they explain in the show! [SPOILER - season 4 - "A Hundred Days"] S P O I L E R All to do with being buried by liquified Naquadah-rich soil, whilst the gate was still operational. The liquified naquadah formed a layer just outside the event horizon, not actually inside the event horizon, which presumably would have happened if the gate had not been active at the time.

19th April 2002, 11:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
Mastergoauld Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: France Posts: 7	Hum...yes why not! But if a signal is able to keep the gate open for an unlimited time, why does the goauld aren't able to keep a wormhole more than 38 minutes (wright?) surely because the energy source wasn't enough powerful to keep the wormhole anylonger... I like your theory but it was never proved in the show for aliens... For humans, the GDO could be this "signal sender", don't u think? and when the GDO pass the gate, it can shutdown because there is no more signal through it! but it doesn't work for goaulds...so I like the "door's store theory" too, lol

29th April 2002, 04:55 PM	#10 (permalink)
Tiberius Fleet Admiral Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 282	Has anyone ever noticed that in Season 1, Daniel Jackson was standing before the Chappa'ai at the SGC, right next to the MALP. In the background, I could hear, "Chevron 6 engaged, Chevron 7..." and then the scene cut out. However, am I to assume that Thor somehow transported both Daniel and the MALP away before that little wormhole thingie exploded outward, and then wiped thier memories or something? I think that there was an error in that scene. Now I am off to post in that thread about sensing the Chappa'ai.

3rd May 2002, 04:08 AM	#11 (permalink)
Jedispara {IPPH} Trade CO Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,890	which episode?