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pkgrl · 16th July 2002, 03:45 AM

Exactly Joseph Campbell's point... only he went back to religion and myth to illustrate it.

It's been said many times that there are only so many stories to be told... we've seen them all. The only thing that varies are the character and details. That's why well-written, well-portrayed characters are so important to great films... and books, and television shows, and....

Dave · 16th July 2002, 08:32 AM

http://www.ipl.org/ref/QUE/FARQ/plotFARQ.html

I was discussing these with Highlander II in Star Trek, trying to match episodes to plots. We could have fun doing the same with Star Wars.

pkgrl · 16th July 2002, 12:25 PM

I like the 20 plot argument, best:

Quest
Adventure
Pursuit
Rescue
Escape
Revenge
The Riddle
Rivalry
Underdog
Temptation
Metamorphosis
Transformation
Maturation
Love
Forbidden Love
Sacrifice
Discovery
Wretched Excess
Ascension
Descension

Much more interesting than the usual Man vs. Man, Man vs. Nature, blah blah blah that I learned in college.

Can we use the model above? Please? :alienooh:

Tabitha · 21st July 2002, 05:49 AM

I like the 7 basic plots better, but the 20 are more interesting. I think doing this for Star Wars would be a great idea - not sure how to couch it, though. Anyone else want to start the thread up?

Give us a link here if you do, please

pkgrl · 21st July 2002, 08:22 PM

Okay, guys! Just started a thread for Dave's idea.

Here's the URL:

http://www.ascifi.com/forums/showthr...threadid=14148

Hope I started it out reasonably well. If it needs tweeking, let me know and I'll edit it. See you over there!

Dave · 7th September 2002, 02:26 AM

I've a few more to add from AoTC:

Star Wars Element: Yoda kicks ass.

Uncanny Resemblance To 'Crouching Tiger' and countless other martial arts films.

Star Wars Element: The cars flying in space and Anakin falling through the Traffic Lanes.

Uncanny Resemblance To "The Fifth Element".

Star Wars Element: The growing of the clones in pods.

Uncanny Resemblance To "Matrix".

Tabitha · 8th September 2002, 05:41 AM

Star Wars Element: The Kaminoan cloners

Uncanny resemblance to: Giraffes

*snort* sorry

pkgrl · 8th September 2002, 06:39 PM

Actually, re: that last one, my friend Mary pointed this out to me:

Star Wars Element: The Kaminoan cloners

Uncanny resemblance to: Close Encounters' "gray" aliens (only taller)

Dave · 9th September 2002, 10:14 PM

They also look at little like Spielberg's future Androids at the end of 'Artificial Intelligence: AI'.

Dave · 3rd October 2002, 11:37 AM

I found something more on Joseph Campbell's 'Epic Hero' ideas while reading 'SFX' magazine #95. George Miller, the 'Mad Max' director, is also a student of Campbell's ideas, just like George Lucas. He says that people all over the world identified with the 'Max' character, Scandinavians said it was like Norse Legends, Japanese said it was like Samurai tales; as if it was part of some 'collective unconcious'. He goes on to say:

Quote:

The epic hero, according to Campbell, is part of one world that is fairly static and right for change. Then, often reluctantly, he gets called into some sort of adventure, usually declines it, but inevitably gets caught up in it. And as a result of that adventure he faces very dark things and undergoes a number of trials. He then shatters his world, and out of the ashes come the birth of a new world order.

I can actually see something in this now; both Max Rockatansky and Luke Skywalker follow this myth fairly closely. In Campbell's original ideas, the journey or quest also teaches something about the human condition. 'Spider-man', 'Spy Kids', 'Forrest Gump', 'Groundhog Day', 'Field of Dreams', 'Ferris Beuller's Day Off', 'The Searchers', 'The Wizard of Oz', 'Huckleberry Finn', even 'The Lion King' are also examples of the reluctant Hero's Journey.

pkgrl · 10th October 2002, 03:31 AM

Good one....

And the obvious one to add to that list would be Frodo Baggins. Poor little hobbit.

Dave · 10th January 2003, 11:44 PM

I just found this interesting site: The Hero's journey in Star Wars which covers what we have said, but has some different examples.

Dave · 11th March 2006, 10:32 AM

Bumping thread for the benefit of Trekie, but also wondering if anything at all in 'Star Wars' was actually an original idea by George Lucas?

Many people think that the Mos Eisley Spaceport bar scene was one of the heights of Epsode IV, and I also thought it was cool the first time I saw it. Many think George Lucas invented the inter-species gathering place but even that is a hoary old SF tradition.

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Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,516	The Basic Plots in Literature. http://www.ipl.org/ref/QUE/FARQ/plotFARQ.html I was discussing these with Highlander II in Star Trek, trying to match episodes to plots. We could have fun doing the same with Star Wars.

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16th July 2002, 03:45 AM	#16 (permalink)
pkgrl Ultimate J/A shipper! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,423	Exactly Joseph Campbell's point... only he went back to religion and myth to illustrate it. It's been said many times that there are only so many stories to be told... we've seen them all. The only thing that varies are the character and details. That's why well-written, well-portrayed characters are so important to great films... and books, and television shows, and....

16th July 2002, 12:25 PM	#18 (permalink)
pkgrl Ultimate J/A shipper! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,423	I like the 20 plot argument, best: Quest Adventure Pursuit Rescue Escape Revenge The Riddle Rivalry Underdog Temptation Metamorphosis Transformation Maturation Love Forbidden Love Sacrifice Discovery Wretched Excess Ascension Descension Much more interesting than the usual Man vs. Man, Man vs. Nature, blah blah blah that I learned in college. Can we use the model above? Please? :alienooh:

21st July 2002, 05:49 AM	#19 (permalink)
Tabitha Save Angel! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,638	I like the 7 basic plots better, but the 20 are more interesting. I think doing this for Star Wars would be a great idea - not sure how to couch it, though. Anyone else want to start the thread up? Give us a link here if you do, please

21st July 2002, 08:22 PM	#20 (permalink)
pkgrl Ultimate J/A shipper! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,423	Okay, guys! Just started a thread for Dave's idea. Here's the URL: http://www.ascifi.com/forums/showthr...threadid=14148 Hope I started it out reasonably well. If it needs tweeking, let me know and I'll edit it. See you over there!

7th September 2002, 02:26 AM	#21 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,516	I've a few more to add from AoTC: Star Wars Element: Yoda kicks ass. Uncanny Resemblance To 'Crouching Tiger' and countless other martial arts films. Star Wars Element: The cars flying in space and Anakin falling through the Traffic Lanes. Uncanny Resemblance To "The Fifth Element". Star Wars Element: The growing of the clones in pods. Uncanny Resemblance To "Matrix".

8th September 2002, 05:41 AM	#22 (permalink)
Tabitha Save Angel! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,638	Star Wars Element: The Kaminoan cloners Uncanny resemblance to: Giraffes snort sorry

8th September 2002, 06:39 PM	#23 (permalink)
pkgrl Ultimate J/A shipper! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,423	Actually, re: that last one, my friend Mary pointed this out to me: Star Wars Element: The Kaminoan cloners Uncanny resemblance to: Close Encounters' "gray" aliens (only taller)

9th September 2002, 10:14 PM	#24 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,516	They also look at little like Spielberg's future Androids at the end of 'Artificial Intelligence: AI'.

10th October 2002, 03:31 AM	#26 (permalink)
pkgrl Ultimate J/A shipper! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,423	Good one.... And the obvious one to add to that list would be Frodo Baggins. Poor little hobbit.

10th January 2003, 11:44 PM	#27 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,516	I just found this interesting site: The Hero's journey in Star Wars which covers what we have said, but has some different examples.

11th March 2006, 10:32 AM	#28 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,516	Bumping thread for the benefit of Trekie, but also wondering if anything at all in 'Star Wars' was actually an original idea by George Lucas? Many people think that the Mos Eisley Spaceport bar scene was one of the heights of Epsode IV, and I also thought it was cool the first time I saw it. Many think George Lucas invented the inter-species gathering place but even that is a hoary old SF tradition.