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hick · 4th April 2002, 12:19 AM

Hi,

Have just watched small victories today and I have noticed an error or me just not thinking properly (probably the latter). When Thor engages the wormhole to take Sam to his homeworld he uses the special device seen in 1969, but his homeworld is in another galaxy. We already know from the fifth race the gate needs loads of energy, does that little device provide enough? some how I just can't see it. Anyone else got any theories?

Hick

Rowan · 4th April 2002, 12:32 AM

Ah... writer's continuity glitch?

Actually, that's a good question. We've seen how such a device would look if made by the Tau'ri when Jack made one in 'The Fifth Race' [S2]. Big and bulky. Using the current rate for increase of design technology here on Earth and applying it to the Asgards, imagine how fast they must come up with new ideas.

Makes sense they needed Sam to 'retrofit' their thinking.

Row

shu_hunter · 4th April 2002, 02:19 AM

Well, y'know, it is Asgard technology.

Also, what if the device is only for dialing, not for powering, and the gate was drawing power from somewhere else?

Remember, these are the guys with transportation technology. I think they're smart enough to figure a way to power a gate.

So I think either one is plausable. Either the gate was drawing power from something else, or the Asgard found a way to pack a lot of energy into that little thing.

~Shu Hunter
:upto: stargate fan{atic}

PTeppic · 4th April 2002, 06:44 AM

a) the power-generator that Jack built was applying sub-conscious super-knowledge to everyday Earth technology, for DIRECT application to the gate power system
b) the DHDs seem to provide concentrated power normally during dialling
c) DHDs are not physically connected to the gate, so somehow transmit the energy required to gate
d) Asgard are hyper-advanced

e) conclusion: they could pack a miniature transmitting power cell into the hand-device, which also acts as a (one-address?) mini-DHD

shazstar · 4th April 2002, 08:47 AM

Maybe its a portable DHD. One that can pack enough power. Something similar to our palm buddy thingies today, except this asgard doohicky is like an asgard compass/map....this portable dhd can get them home from anywhere with a stargate.

As for how they manage to do the energy thing...well. Maybe they have nuclear fission and quantum induction or something technology.

System Lord Gypsy · 6th April 2002, 05:07 PM

I completely agree. The asgard are so advanced ahead of humans that if they can create a DHD that fits in the palm of your hand why not an energy generator too. These guys have a transporter that will take apart and beam away a Goa'uld ship. With that kind of technology there won't be a lot they can't do {Apart from think stupid enough to stop the replicators of course}

Gypsy

shu_hunter · 6th April 2002, 08:20 PM

Of couse.

~Shu Hunter
:upto: stargate fan{atic}

PTeppic · 6th April 2002, 10:29 PM

Given what they were able to do to help Jack on "Fifth Race", you would think the same technology could be used on one of their own species (a volunteer!) to be physically MADE more stupid (and perhaps cured again afterwards).

shu_hunter · 7th April 2002, 07:19 PM

But what kind of Asgard in his right mind would volenteer to be stupid? Besides, it was probably easier just to ask an already "stupid" human to come. But that's a good point.

~Shu Hunter
:upto: stargate fan{atic}

PTeppic · 7th April 2002, 11:10 PM

Well, they may be really advanced, but also seem to be generally easy going. Maybe volunteering is in their nature?

or a chance to be famous

or to be high profile test case

etc.

Rowan · 8th April 2002, 05:44 AM

Maybe their family would get some sort of benifit from it. Who knows? I think the easiest way is just to borrow the 'smart' dumb humans.

Rowan

PTeppic · 8th April 2002, 08:00 AM

I actually agree.

But like thinking laterally as to what MIGHT be the benefit.
In such an advanced society, fame is unlikely to be a goal, so the benefit it brings the whole of the species is the more likely reason.

Tiberius · 29th April 2002, 05:03 PM

Can't you figure it out? If they did make a stupid Asgard, he would still base all of his opinions on his Asgard background. Therefore, a stupid Asgard would still be an Asgard. See, it all works out. :^). They NEED a human. Or they need an Asgard who has been raised by humans....

shazstar · 30th April 2002, 10:20 AM

Well in that case, I do believe we learned in a certain eppy where sg1 met the asguard that all those crazy 'alien' kidnapping' stories may not be so crazy and the asguard have conducted studies on humans, wouldn't they have figured out our 'primitive' human brains by now....couldn't they have, umm, I don't know, lived among us for years and learned about us????

sorry about the spoiler text just paranoid I'll get yelled at if I don't use it.

Tiberius · 1st May 2002, 05:23 PM

Yes, but they don't teach their people how to act like us, merely they teach them how we act. They have a totally different logic system than us. They can try to act like us, but to them, it is totally illogical. They can't really do it. Now, take Thor. He is one of the Asgard that spends a lot of time with SG-1. Given that he STILL doesn't understand human logic. Like I said, they need some intelligent creature raised by humans, not a human clone or anything.

4th April 2002, 12:19 AM	#1 (permalink)
hick Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ellesmere Port, UK Posts: 32	8th Chevron Power Season 4 Hi, Have just watched small victories today and I have noticed an error or me just not thinking properly (probably the latter). When Thor engages the wormhole to take Sam to his homeworld he uses the special device seen in 1969, but his homeworld is in another galaxy. We already know from the fifth race the gate needs loads of energy, does that little device provide enough? some how I just can't see it. Anyone else got any theories? Hick

4th April 2002, 12:32 AM	#2 (permalink)
Rowan Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In the wilds of Puget Sound. Near Seth and Cascade, WA. Posts: 2,480	8th Chevron Ah... writer's continuity glitch? Actually, that's a good question. We've seen how such a device would look if made by the Tau'ri when Jack made one in 'The Fifth Race' [S2]. Big and bulky. Using the current rate for increase of design technology here on Earth and applying it to the Asgards, imagine how fast they must come up with new ideas. Makes sense they needed Sam to 'retrofit' their thinking. Row

8th April 2002, 05:44 AM	#11 (permalink)
Rowan Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In the wilds of Puget Sound. Near Seth and Cascade, WA. Posts: 2,480	Reasons Maybe their family would get some sort of benifit from it. Who knows? I think the easiest way is just to borrow the 'smart' dumb humans. Rowan

4th April 2002, 02:19 AM	#3 (permalink)
shu_hunter Stargate fan[atic] Join Date: May 2001 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 165	Well, y'know, it is Asgard technology. Also, what if the device is only for dialing, not for powering, and the gate was drawing power from somewhere else? Remember, these are the guys with transportation technology. I think they're smart enough to figure a way to power a gate. So I think either one is plausable. Either the gate was drawing power from something else, or the Asgard found a way to pack a lot of energy into that little thing. ~Shu Hunter :upto: stargate fan{atic}

4th April 2002, 06:44 AM	#4 (permalink)
PTeppic Reetou Diplomatic Corp Join Date: May 2001 Location: North-west UK Posts: 3,109	a) the power-generator that Jack built was applying sub-conscious super-knowledge to everyday Earth technology, for DIRECT application to the gate power system b) the DHDs seem to provide concentrated power normally during dialling c) DHDs are not physically connected to the gate, so somehow transmit the energy required to gate d) Asgard are hyper-advanced e) conclusion: they could pack a miniature transmitting power cell into the hand-device, which also acts as a (one-address?) mini-DHD

4th April 2002, 08:47 AM	#5 (permalink)
shazstar Flygirl Join Date: May 2001 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,213	Maybe its a portable DHD. One that can pack enough power. Something similar to our palm buddy thingies today, except this asgard doohicky is like an asgard compass/map....this portable dhd can get them home from anywhere with a stargate. As for how they manage to do the energy thing...well. Maybe they have nuclear fission and quantum induction or something technology.

6th April 2002, 05:07 PM	#6 (permalink)
System Lord Gypsy What is an Oprah????? Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Posts: 425	I completely agree. The asgard are so advanced ahead of humans that if they can create a DHD that fits in the palm of your hand why not an energy generator too. These guys have a transporter that will take apart and beam away a Goa'uld ship. With that kind of technology there won't be a lot they can't do {Apart from think stupid enough to stop the replicators of course} Gypsy

6th April 2002, 08:20 PM	#7 (permalink)
shu_hunter Stargate fan[atic] Join Date: May 2001 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 165	Of couse. ~Shu Hunter :upto: stargate fan{atic}

6th April 2002, 10:29 PM	#8 (permalink)
PTeppic Reetou Diplomatic Corp Join Date: May 2001 Location: North-west UK Posts: 3,109	Given what they were able to do to help Jack on "Fifth Race", you would think the same technology could be used on one of their own species (a volunteer!) to be physically MADE more stupid (and perhaps cured again afterwards).

7th April 2002, 07:19 PM	#9 (permalink)
shu_hunter Stargate fan[atic] Join Date: May 2001 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 165	But what kind of Asgard in his right mind would volenteer to be stupid? Besides, it was probably easier just to ask an already "stupid" human to come. But that's a good point. ~Shu Hunter :upto: stargate fan{atic}

7th April 2002, 11:10 PM	#10 (permalink)
PTeppic Reetou Diplomatic Corp Join Date: May 2001 Location: North-west UK Posts: 3,109	Well, they may be really advanced, but also seem to be generally easy going. Maybe volunteering is in their nature? or a chance to be famous or to be high profile test case etc.

8th April 2002, 08:00 AM	#12 (permalink)
PTeppic Reetou Diplomatic Corp Join Date: May 2001 Location: North-west UK Posts: 3,109	I actually agree. But like thinking laterally as to what MIGHT be the benefit. In such an advanced society, fame is unlikely to be a goal, so the benefit it brings the whole of the species is the more likely reason.

29th April 2002, 05:03 PM	#13 (permalink)
Tiberius Fleet Admiral Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 282	Can't you figure it out? If they did make a stupid Asgard, he would still base all of his opinions on his Asgard background. Therefore, a stupid Asgard would still be an Asgard. See, it all works out. :^). They NEED a human. Or they need an Asgard who has been raised by humans....

30th April 2002, 10:20 AM	#14 (permalink)
shazstar Flygirl Join Date: May 2001 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,213	Well in that case, I do believe we learned in a certain eppy where sg1 met the asguard that all those crazy 'alien' kidnapping' stories may not be so crazy and the asguard have conducted studies on humans, wouldn't they have figured out our 'primitive' human brains by now....couldn't they have, umm, I don't know, lived among us for years and learned about us???? sorry about the spoiler text just paranoid I'll get yelled at if I don't use it.

1st May 2002, 05:23 PM	#15 (permalink)
Tiberius Fleet Admiral Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 282	Yes, but they don't teach their people how to act like us, merely they teach them how we act. They have a totally different logic system than us. They can try to act like us, but to them, it is totally illogical. They can't really do it. Now, take Thor. He is one of the Asgard that spends a lot of time with SG-1. Given that he STILL doesn't understand human logic. Like I said, they need some intelligent creature raised by humans, not a human clone or anything.