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neXus_6 · 22nd March 2002, 10:54 AM

LOS ANGELES, OCTOBER 1019.

Earth is a very difficult place for humans. It is very under-populated, with many homes and apartment buildings empty or with only a few inhabitants.
The space colonies make extensive use of replicants in households and factories. Making replicants is one of Earth's largest industries.
The leading maker of replicants is Tyrell Corporation, led by Dr. Tyrell. Its latest model is the Nexus-6. They can think for themselves and a replicant rebellion is starting to worry people.
It is now illegal for the Nexus-6 replicants to come to Earth Their built-in life span is only four years.
At a Mars space colony, a small band of Nexus-6 replicants escapes and makes their way back to Earth. Their mission: To confront Dr. Tyrell and force him to extend their life span. Since Nexus-6 is considerably stronger, faster and smarter than the average human, the success of this mission might endanger all of mankind.
Authorities on Earth are aware of the five outlaw replicants, and have persuaded their best blade runner (a replicant bounty hunter), Rick Deckard, to hunt them down and kill them as fast as possible.
It wasn't called execution.
It was called retirement.
Hardly anyone smiles in the whole film. They're grim, depressed people living in a dark, grimy, depopulated, barely survival atmosphere and constantly raining Los Angeles.
Deckard who at the start of the film cares for no one, and has a "they're just machines" attitude toward the replicants, comes to care for and appreciate them. Deckard even falls in love with the replicant, Rachel.
The film starts with mind-blowing music and has a great way to start a movie. As soon as you see Los Angeles in the very first bit you will be amazed. After that we have Leon, a replicant, taking the "Voight-Kampffe" test then murdering a blade runner in cold blood. Then we see everyone walking about in the streets with their futuristic clothes, umbrellas and cars (spinners).
Later we see Rick Deckard retiring the first three replicants in great, memorable ways then it's the end when he tries to take down the final replicant, Roy Batty that is definitely the best scene in the whole movie.
This is not a big Schwarzenegger action movie filled with cliches you would find in them sort of films or a Star Wars type with good versus evil. This is one of the greatest science fiction movies ever made directed by Ridley Scott who made the classic Alien and then later Gladiator; and stars Harrison Ford who played the great Indiana Jones and Han Solo but this time it's his best and very different role.
If you hated this movie...no one will understand you.

Time To Die...

King Donut · 9th July 2002, 09:55 AM

Ah, a fellow member of my Donut club! Nice review, Nex. How are you?

Dave · 18th July 2002, 08:25 PM

I have to agree with that.

Some people think that Deckard himself was a replicant, but wasn't aware!!!

Dave · 23rd July 2002, 07:09 PM

BTW Tears in the rain are the last words of the replicant Roy.

"I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe.
Attacked ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.
I watched sea beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate.
All those moments will be lost in time.
Like tears in rain.
Time to die."

Tabitha · 23rd July 2002, 07:28 PM

One of the best Scifi movie quotes EVER!

But, uh Dave, aren't the words "Time to Die" the last words of Roy? Or am I just being pedantic?

Dave · 23rd July 2002, 07:36 PM

2nd last words then.

Tabitha · 23rd July 2002, 07:38 PM

:evil: Sorry Dave, didn't mean to be mean, I just wondered if maybe the words "Time to Die" were in voice-over, rather than actually spoken by Batty....

Dave · 23rd July 2002, 08:10 PM

Batty says the other sentences to camera, then the camera shot changes to Deckard, and you hear Batty say "Time to Die". (That's in the Directors Cut anyway, and it has no voice-overs.)

Tabitha · 23rd July 2002, 09:21 PM

Watched this one a lot then Dave? That's kind of what I meant about Batty not saying it - or, rather the camera not looking at him and seeing his lips move as he said it. But it's all a bit hazy.

I haven't seen it for years and years, and feel like I am shaky ground discussing it. I'll try and rent it again soon. I prefer the original version to the Director's Cut (one of the few, I suppose), but I gather it's hard to get one's hands on the original voiced-over version.

Dave · 23rd July 2002, 10:05 PM

Since I wanted to boost the post count in this forum, I watched again this afternoon so I would know what I was talking about

But yes, I have seen it a fair number of times.

I've taped The Directors Cut from the TV. I saw the original version at the cinema, but don't know where you would get hold of it now!

Tabitha · 23rd July 2002, 10:08 PM

Which did you prefer? Should we maybe have a poll for it?

Dave · 23rd July 2002, 10:18 PM

Yes, start a poll, but a lot of the difference boils down to the question of whether Deckard is a replicant or not (I've started a thread about that) This is explicit in The Directors Cut, but only implicit in the Original Version, a he definitely isn't in the Book.

22nd March 2002, 10:54 AM	#1 (permalink)
neXus_6 Sector Marshall Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In your mind Posts: 61	Tears In Rain... LOS ANGELES, OCTOBER 1019. Earth is a very difficult place for humans. It is very under-populated, with many homes and apartment buildings empty or with only a few inhabitants. The space colonies make extensive use of replicants in households and factories. Making replicants is one of Earth's largest industries. The leading maker of replicants is Tyrell Corporation, led by Dr. Tyrell. Its latest model is the Nexus-6. They can think for themselves and a replicant rebellion is starting to worry people. It is now illegal for the Nexus-6 replicants to come to Earth Their built-in life span is only four years. At a Mars space colony, a small band of Nexus-6 replicants escapes and makes their way back to Earth. Their mission: To confront Dr. Tyrell and force him to extend their life span. Since Nexus-6 is considerably stronger, faster and smarter than the average human, the success of this mission might endanger all of mankind. Authorities on Earth are aware of the five outlaw replicants, and have persuaded their best blade runner (a replicant bounty hunter), Rick Deckard, to hunt them down and kill them as fast as possible. It wasn't called execution. It was called retirement. Hardly anyone smiles in the whole film. They're grim, depressed people living in a dark, grimy, depopulated, barely survival atmosphere and constantly raining Los Angeles. Deckard who at the start of the film cares for no one, and has a "they're just machines" attitude toward the replicants, comes to care for and appreciate them. Deckard even falls in love with the replicant, Rachel. The film starts with mind-blowing music and has a great way to start a movie. As soon as you see Los Angeles in the very first bit you will be amazed. After that we have Leon, a replicant, taking the "Voight-Kampffe" test then murdering a blade runner in cold blood. Then we see everyone walking about in the streets with their futuristic clothes, umbrellas and cars (spinners). Later we see Rick Deckard retiring the first three replicants in great, memorable ways then it's the end when he tries to take down the final replicant, Roy Batty that is definitely the best scene in the whole movie. This is not a big Schwarzenegger action movie filled with cliches you would find in them sort of films or a Star Wars type with good versus evil. This is one of the greatest science fiction movies ever made directed by Ridley Scott who made the classic Alien and then later Gladiator; and stars Harrison Ford who played the great Indiana Jones and Han Solo but this time it's his best and very different role. If you hated this movie...no one will understand you. Time To Die...

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9th July 2002, 09:55 AM	#2 (permalink)
King Donut KiNg DoNuT Club Starter! Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 71	Ah, a fellow member of my Donut club! Nice review, Nex. How are you?

18th July 2002, 08:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,321	I have to agree with that. Some people think that Deckard himself was a replicant, but wasn't aware!!!

23rd July 2002, 07:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,321	BTW Tears in the rain are the last words of the replicant Roy. "I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe. Attacked ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched sea beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time. Like tears in rain. Time to die."

23rd July 2002, 07:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
Tabitha Save Angel! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,638	One of the best Scifi movie quotes EVER! But, uh Dave, aren't the words "Time to Die" the last words of Roy? Or am I just being pedantic?

23rd July 2002, 07:36 PM	#6 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,321	2nd last words then.

23rd July 2002, 07:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
Tabitha Save Angel! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,638	:evil: Sorry Dave, didn't mean to be mean, I just wondered if maybe the words "Time to Die" were in voice-over, rather than actually spoken by Batty....

23rd July 2002, 08:10 PM	#8 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,321	Batty says the other sentences to camera, then the camera shot changes to Deckard, and you hear Batty say "Time to Die". (That's in the Directors Cut anyway, and it has no voice-overs.)

23rd July 2002, 09:21 PM	#9 (permalink)
Tabitha Save Angel! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,638	Watched this one a lot then Dave? That's kind of what I meant about Batty not saying it - or, rather the camera not looking at him and seeing his lips move as he said it. But it's all a bit hazy. I haven't seen it for years and years, and feel like I am shaky ground discussing it. I'll try and rent it again soon. I prefer the original version to the Director's Cut (one of the few, I suppose), but I gather it's hard to get one's hands on the original voiced-over version.

23rd July 2002, 10:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,321	Since I wanted to boost the post count in this forum, I watched again this afternoon so I would know what I was talking about But yes, I have seen it a fair number of times. I've taped The Directors Cut from the TV. I saw the original version at the cinema, but don't know where you would get hold of it now!

23rd July 2002, 10:08 PM	#11 (permalink)
Tabitha Save Angel! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,638	Which did you prefer? Should we maybe have a poll for it?

23rd July 2002, 10:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,321	Yes, start a poll, but a lot of the difference boils down to the question of whether Deckard is a replicant or not (I've started a thread about that) This is explicit in The Directors Cut, but only implicit in the Original Version, a he definitely isn't in the Book.