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Old 24th November 2011, 02:05 AM   #46 (permalink)
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From my understanding, it got the Zombie 2 title because Romero's Dawn of the Dead was released in Italy as Zombie; and, as this was intended as, if not a direct sequel, at least a film in the same set-up...

SB: It may be there was more than one American theatrical release. I've seen an earlier version, which was released on videotape (before the advent of DVD), and it wasn't the gore which was cut... it was the bulk of the storyline and character-development. Hence, it became little more than a series of gore scenes with a little nudity thrown in for good measure. Once the other material is replaced, while it is still over-the-top in the gore department for my taste (as is The Beyond, for that matter), it is nonetheless a rather good film, and one of the few of that extreme sort of cinema which I like having on my shelves...
You are right Mr Worthington about the Dawn of the Dead retitled as Zombie, I had forgotten, and I even have the Italian version with the title Zombi.

Anyway, when I first discovered The Beyond, it was on VHS and retitled as The Seven Doors of Death.

I still need to see House of Clocks
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Old 24th November 2011, 07:32 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Anyway, when I first discovered The Beyond, it was on VHS and retitled as The Seven Doors of Death.
Retitled and heavily edited I understand. That kind of crap makes me so mad.
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Old 24th November 2011, 06:36 PM   #48 (permalink)
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It happened a lot with Fulci and Argento. The original release here of Phenomena (as Creepers) was simply horrific (no pun intended); and lacked all the subtleties of the full film while retaining all its vices. Suspiria didn't suffer as badly, but was still not, as I recall, as coherent as it might have been, and so forth. I've still to see a restored version of Profondo rosso, so don't know about that, but suspect the same would apply there.

Luci suffered even more from this, given that his violence and gore were even more extreme. Oddly, though, it was often as much -- or more -- the scenes which contributed to the actual plot or character development which ended up being excised as was the gore. Paura nella cittą dei morti viventi (City of the Living Dead) is a seriously flawed film from the get-go, but at least it is somewhat better in the restored version, while Quella villa accanto al cimitero (The House by the Cemetery) is at times almost unwatchable as a story (though if you're into it for the gore, as with pornography being into it simply for the sex scenes), then perhaps all the better; yet it, too, makes more sense and develops an atmosphere of creeping menace when seen in its restored version. In each case, the gore generally becomes at least more logical -- in a weird, horrific fashion -- with the restorations, rather than simply having no more point than to titillate.

And, of course, several of Fulci's films develop his theme of the Gates of Hell and their opening into our world, often having a tinge of Lovecraftian angst or the exoticism of Clark Ashton Smith, to whom he gives nods in some of them. I think that is what drew me to Fulci, really; the development of this theme seems to hint at more than what we see on the surface.

Incidentally, I recently came across an interview with Fulci which allows some interesting insights into these films, with especial reference to House by the Cemetery and its ending:

http://www.shockingimages.com/fulci/interview2.html
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Old 24th November 2011, 07:01 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Just to clarify - Zombie and Zombie 2 are the same film, and Zombie Flesh Eaters is a separate film. Is that right?
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Just to clarify - Zombie and Zombie 2 are the same film, and Zombie Flesh Eaters is a separate film. Is that right?
Nope. All three are (ostensibly) the same film, just edited differently and issued under different titles.

This happened a lot during that period... along with a few others, such as the 1950s... with horror films. The one which I think has had the most title changes (and in this case, I wouldn't recommend seeing it under any title, unless you come across a review which indicates massive changes due to restoration), is:

Anthropophagus/The Grim Reaper/Snuff -- with a few other titles I've heard it had over the years....
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Old 26th November 2011, 01:41 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Anthropophagus/The Grim Reaper/Snuff -- with a few other titles I've heard it had over the years....
Yeah this is a classic, and definitely one of the best from Joe D'Amato. Who was a hack director, but still had fun with what he did.
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Old 26th November 2011, 05:22 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Alright, cheers for the info. I remember watching Zombie Flesh Eaters the day that the London Bombings happened. I'd had far too much to drink and thought zombies may cheer me up. They didn't. And I remember thinking is it the alcohol in my system, or do they occasionally switch languages and actors in this film?
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