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Jobeth · 28th July 2002, 01:51 AM

Well it looks as if I was wrong and Hat was right. TPTB DID re-write Jonas in a (futile in my case) attempt to make the character more palatable. What next, he turns out to be an orphan?

So_Over_Daniel · 31st July 2002, 04:46 AM

New around here, just wanted to post and say that I like Jonas Quinn very much.

As for Jack's opinion of him, I think his opinion is and will pretty much stay quite similar to how his opinion of Daniel was. Right now- he thinks Jonas is a weird geek, just like he thought Daniel was in the early seasons. That basis never changed throughout, but he and Daniel did eventually come into a companionship of sorts, even though they were very different people and agreed on little. I think Jack will never be best friends with Jonas, but come to terms with the differences and accept them as he did in his relationship with Daniel.

Jack doesn't like geeks, but he learns to accept them

Jobeth · 31st July 2002, 11:07 PM

Geek is one thing "lying, incompetent coward" is another.

Jack may have thought Daniel was a geek, but he never called him a "lying, incompetent coward". No, I still don't buy Jonas bein allowed on the team.

So_Over_Daniel · 1st August 2002, 06:17 AM

Hello JoBeth

You said:

Geek is one thing "lying, incompetent coward" is another.

Jack may have thought Daniel was a geek, but he never called him a "lying, incompetent coward". No, I still don't buy Jonas bein allowed on the team.

_______________

Jack doesn't think Jonas is a 'Lying incompetent coward', only some of the more rigid Daniel fans do. Jack is far too professional for that, and he did choose Jonas to be on his team, and did accept him as a part of it. And I can see why- Jonas seems to be quite a valuable member, he's smart, caring and stays true to his friends.. He's even saved their lives once.

If Jack had any doubts or mistrust towards Jonas, he wouldn't have chosen him to be on the team. But, as I have said before, Jack's likely going to see Jonas much the same way he saw Daniel, so they're probably never going to be really close.

Hatshepsut · 1st August 2002, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by So_Over_Daniel
Hello JoBeth
You said:

Geek is one thing "lying, incompetent coward" is another.

Jack may have thought Daniel was a geek, but he never called him a "lying, incompetent coward". No, I still don't buy Jonas bein allowed on the team.

_______________

Jack doesn't think Jonas is a 'Lying incompetent coward', only some of the more rigid Daniel fans do.

I'm sorry but you're wrong about that. JoBeth's comment comes straight from the 'Stargate S.G.-1' canon.

Jack's actual words to Quinn in 'Meridian' were:

Quote:

"Look, we're only in this mess because you and your buddies are lying cowards trying to cover your own incompetence!"

I hope this clears up the misunderstanding.

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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gategeek · 1st August 2002, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hatshepsut

I'm sorry but you're wrong about that. JoBeth's comment comes straight from the 'Stargate S.G.-1' canon.

Jack's actual words to Quinn in 'Meridian' were:

I hope this clears up the misunderstanding.

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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hat, honey, please do not insult our intelligence. you know as well as i that what we are dealing with here is a difference of opinion in the interpretation of a character on a tv show. it is not a misunderstanding of "facts" which can be cleared up with a single quote of words spoken in anger. i have called my dear husband far worse but would hate to think that my words could somehow be described as "canon" in our relationship.
shanilka - who is oh so tired of the sniping...

Hatshepsut · 1st August 2002, 07:37 PM

Shanilka,

You may think I'm pretty being thin-skinned here, but I found your post particularly hurtful.

JoBeth referred to Jack's comment from 'Meridian'. This was comment was then attributed to "only some of the more rigid Daniel fans", which I feel was unjust and rather inflammatory.

I merely attempted to set the record straight in a polite and friendly manner. I'm sorry if you - or anyone else - read it in any other way.

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut.
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skydiver · 1st August 2002, 09:25 PM

we all have differing opinions....please don't make me figure out how to close a thread <G>

I think jack wasn't too crazy about jonas in the beginning...but he gave teh guy a chance. actually worked with him, got to know him and THEN formed his opinion. what a unique concept.

Jobeth · 1st August 2002, 10:24 PM

So_Over_Daniel wrote:

Quote:

Jack doesn't think Jonas is a 'Lying incompetent coward', only some of the more rigid Daniel fans do. Jack is far too professional for that, and he did choose Jonas to be on his team, and did accept him as a part of it. And I can see why- Jonas seems to be quite a valuable member, he's smart, caring and stays true to his friends.. He's even saved their lives once.

If Jack had any doubts or mistrust towards Jonas, he wouldn't have chosen him to be on the team. But, as I have said before, Jack's likely going to see Jonas much the same way he saw Daniel, so they're probably never going to be really close.

Actually, in 'Redemption' General Hammond gave Jack a choice between Jonas and a Russian. The only reason he chose Jonas is because he hates the russians.

gategeek · 1st August 2002, 10:25 PM

hat - i'm sorry if my post came across as harsh. my tolerance of the bickering surrounding jonas/season 6 has reached an all time low - which probably means i should just keep my mouth shut.
shanilka

skydiver · 1st August 2002, 10:52 PM

i'm reaching that same level shanilka.

Like it or not, like him or not...there are aspects of the fandom i don't like...i don't go over there and post how much i don't like it. I respect thier space and keep my opinions to myself. I've left mailing lists because the general attitude has changed.

I get frustrated at people who apparently aren't happy with a particular aspect that keep telling us again,and again, and again how bad it is and how sad it is. yep, ok, got it the first 10 times.

If a restaurant serves a dish i don't like...i don't keep ordering it just so i can keep saying how bad it tastes...i move on and try something else.

Jack finally accepted jonas, tentatively in redemption part 2...and he'd already made up his mind prior to being told about the russian team member. He accepted jonas even more in descent when jonas saved all their lives.

So_Over_Daniel · 2nd August 2002, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hatshepsut

I'm sorry but you're wrong about that. JoBeth's comment comes straight from the 'Stargate S.G.-1' canon.

Jack's actual words to Quinn in 'Meridian' were:

I hope this clears up the misunderstanding.

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It certainly clears some things up.

Jack said that quite obviously in the heat of a moment. If he'd seriously meant he hated and distrusted Jonas and blamed him for anything, Jonas wouldn't be on the team. If Jack really didn't trust Jonas's loyalty and abilities, he simply wouldn't be there. It bears repeating: Jack *chose* Joans to be on *his* team. Some argue that he only picked him because he hated the russains more- but the implication of music and the way Jack spoke showed he had made up his mind prior to visiting Hammond. That's some canon for ya

.

Jack once said to Daniel:

"I don't like most of what you say- I try to resist the urge to shove you through a wall"

Does that mean Jack hated him too, because he doesn't like what he says and feels the urge to assault him on occasion?

31st July 2002, 04:46 AM	#17 (permalink)
So_Over_Daniel Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 3	Greetings New around here, just wanted to post and say that I like Jonas Quinn very much. As for Jack's opinion of him, I think his opinion is and will pretty much stay quite similar to how his opinion of Daniel was. Right now- he thinks Jonas is a weird geek, just like he thought Daniel was in the early seasons. That basis never changed throughout, but he and Daniel did eventually come into a companionship of sorts, even though they were very different people and agreed on little. I think Jack will never be best friends with Jonas, but come to terms with the differences and accept them as he did in his relationship with Daniel. Jack doesn't like geeks, but he learns to accept them

28th July 2002, 01:51 AM	#16 (permalink)
Jobeth Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Charm City Posts: 236	Well it looks as if I was wrong and Hat was right. TPTB DID re-write Jonas in a (futile in my case) attempt to make the character more palatable. What next, he turns out to be an orphan?

31st July 2002, 11:07 PM	#18 (permalink)
Jobeth Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Charm City Posts: 236	Geek is one thing "lying, incompetent coward" is another. Jack may have thought Daniel was a geek, but he never called him a "lying, incompetent coward". No, I still don't buy Jonas bein allowed on the team.

1st August 2002, 06:17 AM	#19 (permalink)
So_Over_Daniel Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 3	Hello JoBeth You said: Geek is one thing "lying, incompetent coward" is another. Jack may have thought Daniel was a geek, but he never called him a "lying, incompetent coward". No, I still don't buy Jonas bein allowed on the team. _______________ Jack doesn't think Jonas is a 'Lying incompetent coward', only some of the more rigid Daniel fans do. Jack is far too professional for that, and he did choose Jonas to be on his team, and did accept him as a part of it. And I can see why- Jonas seems to be quite a valuable member, he's smart, caring and stays true to his friends.. He's even saved their lives once. If Jack had any doubts or mistrust towards Jonas, he wouldn't have chosen him to be on the team. But, as I have said before, Jack's likely going to see Jonas much the same way he saw Daniel, so they're probably never going to be really close.

1st August 2002, 07:37 PM	#22 (permalink)
Hatshepsut WELCOME HOME, DR. JACKSON Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waltham, N.E.Lincolnshire, U.K. Posts: 995	Shanilka, You may think I'm pretty being thin-skinned here, but I found your post particularly hurtful. JoBeth referred to Jack's comment from 'Meridian'. This was comment was then attributed to "only some of the more rigid Daniel fans", which I feel was unjust and rather inflammatory. I merely attempted to set the record straight in a polite and friendly manner. I'm sorry if you - or anyone else - read it in any other way. Best wishes, Hatshepsut. --

1st August 2002, 09:25 PM	#23 (permalink)
skydiver Trivia Goddess Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: topeka, ks, usa- 7 1/2 hours due east of Cheyenne Mountain Posts: 2,856	we all have differing opinions....please don't make me figure out how to close a thread <G> I think jack wasn't too crazy about jonas in the beginning...but he gave teh guy a chance. actually worked with him, got to know him and THEN formed his opinion. what a unique concept.

1st August 2002, 10:25 PM	#25 (permalink)
gategeek Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 396	hat - i'm sorry if my post came across as harsh. my tolerance of the bickering surrounding jonas/season 6 has reached an all time low - which probably means i should just keep my mouth shut. shanilka

1st August 2002, 10:52 PM	#26 (permalink)
skydiver Trivia Goddess Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: topeka, ks, usa- 7 1/2 hours due east of Cheyenne Mountain Posts: 2,856	i'm reaching that same level shanilka. Like it or not, like him or not...there are aspects of the fandom i don't like...i don't go over there and post how much i don't like it. I respect thier space and keep my opinions to myself. I've left mailing lists because the general attitude has changed. I get frustrated at people who apparently aren't happy with a particular aspect that keep telling us again,and again, and again how bad it is and how sad it is. yep, ok, got it the first 10 times. If a restaurant serves a dish i don't like...i don't keep ordering it just so i can keep saying how bad it tastes...i move on and try something else. Jack finally accepted jonas, tentatively in redemption part 2...and he'd already made up his mind prior to being told about the russian team member. He accepted jonas even more in descent when jonas saved all their lives.