Did you like him??

[Mishkaz]

Hi Anni, I like what you said. It's a very thin line between realistic storytelling and entertainment, I guess the producers are constantly juggling with that.

I am looking forward to some new blood in the team, I'm always in favour of anything that may add a new angle or dynamic to a show I've grown to know well. I liked the character of Daniel Jackson, but he's as good as lost now and I had my little weep during Meridian, so I'm happy to wait and see who's gonna be the new angle.
I hadn't realised that it was this Jonas Quinn guy until I stumbled across this thread. If he's the guy who was in Meridian and flashed a stunning smile at SG1 when he met them, then he already has one fan. I'm looking forward to seeing him join the team and am curious to see how they write him. The producers haven't let us down yet and don't expect them to now that Michael Shanks has chosen to leave the show.
That's my fourpenneth, who's next?

cheers all

Mish

[pamie]

Originally posted by Mishkaz
If he's the guy who was in Meridian and flashed a stunning smile at SG1 when he met them

At the risk of getting flamed for this...

That part always makes me smile when he flashes that huge grin at SG1...

[Hatshepsut]

[quote]Originally posted by Anni
As I said before..... perhaps it might be better to think of him as a entirely new character and not Daniel's replacement.
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Well now, as regards Jonas Quinn's *not* being Daniel's replacement, S.G.1 is now one person short. Whoever becomes the fourth member of the team is, by definition, a replacement for Dr. Jackson.

With respect, Anni, I don't really think it's possible to think of him as an entirely new character; he already has a track record and not a very good one at that.

So far, in order to preserve his own reputation and despite being fully aware of the truth, he was dishonourably prepared to collude in the blackguarding of Daniel's reputation. He left it to Daniel to do what needed to be done to save millions of lives. Granted that if Daniel hadn't acted as he did, he'd have been dead anyway in the ensuing explosion, but sonny boy took no action even for his own people. He was also quite prepared to remain stumm and let Danny take the rap for the damage to the lab, until Jack made it clear that he, for one, wasn't fooled, indeed was seriously unimpressed.

Quinn then betrayed his people by stealing some Naquadrium and did a runner to Earth - for what purpose? Is he so naïve as to think he can buy American gratitude with his gift of stolen property? Has he not thought sufficiently far ahead to realize that when his people discover the loss of their Naquadrium, it's highly likely to cause diplomatic embarrassment for the American Government, which may find itself obliged to return the stolen property anyway? That naïvity and inability to think through the ramifications of one's actions are not desirable qualities in a member of S.G.C.'s flagship team. Furthermore, he comes from a world even more ‘primitive' than the Tau'ri.

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However, at the risk of someone decapitating me for mentioning that I was military
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LOL! No way, Anni Wouldn't dream of it, truly. I have nothing against the military and have the greatest admiration for anyone who goes bricking in the streets of Belfast; a pretty thankless task, I would imagine.

That said, I don't think we're comparing like with like here, given that the brief of the Stargate Project was to explore unknown worlds, assess any risk to Earth, set up diplomatic relations where appropriate and bring back technology by which Earth - or the U.S.A. anyway - would benefit. I think N. Ireland's been pretty well explored by now and the natives mostly speak English

Initially, Dr. Jackson, a civilian, was included for his expertise in hieroglyphics without which, they would have been unable to return home. B.T.W., when and why did Colonel O'Neill leave the Marines and join the U.S.A.F.? It's a pity they don't have the same ranks as the R.A.F. ‘Group Captain O'Neill' sounds much better, not to mention ‘Wing Commander Carter'

But I digress In that its activities are mostly off-world - or should be - S.G. 1 has a unique role and as such, different rules apply. Teal'c has been included because of his special knowledge of a serious enemy. He has earned his place in that he risked his own life in rescuing S.G. 1 and the Abydonians. That was not a spur of the moment decision but something he had been considering for many years; he took the first viable opportunity that offered to take up arms against the ‘false gods.'

I take your point about there being nothing emotional or personal about the military machine, and perhaps the fact that Daniel had been a good friend as well as a reliable team member for the past 5 years was a bit of a red herring, obscuring the fact that, as you say, General Hammond would have had the final say in whoever moves into Daniel's place on S.G.1. However, as the good general is no man's fool and is fully aware of the kind of man Jonas Quinn has shown himself to be, then with no emotional or personal bias, he would strictly veto his inclusion in S.G.1.

Hmph. ‘Jonas' Quinn? A couple of letters wrong there. I say, give him his 30 pieces of silver and send him packing...

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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[Anni]

Gosh......... I guess you don't like him then! LOL. I have to respect your opinion, and I see where you are coming from. At least you dislike him for good reasons and not just because he is Daniel's potential replacement"

I say potential because, like you, I think he has committed too many faux pas (shall we say?) to be readily accepted as a member of the SGC or SG1. If he is to become one, then he'll have to prove himself to Jack and Hammond.

If the producers really wanted to present a replacement for Daniel then they sure have a strange way of doing it. Unless of course they are trying to say that he is flawed but will be all the better a team member for having to work hard for their respect.

I don't know. Maybe their thinking is flawed. Perhaps they think we'll all be taken in by his boyish good looks or something. Perhaps they really do think we're all as shallow and brainless as that.

Btw Mish......he does have quite a nice smile. But I think he may need more than that to convince many of the viewers!

[Hatshepsut]

[quote]Originally posted by Anni
Gosh......... I guess you don't like him then! LOL.
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<G> I think he's a thoroughly disreputable character, the more so for the smarmy smile - unctuous - would make a good Uriah Heep! I've nothing against the actor (whom I'd never heard of before) except that I think he was a bit of a clot to take the part in the first place. It's a dirty job... Maybe he's desperate for those 30 pieces of silver? :evil:
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I have to respect your opinion, and I see where you are coming from.
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Oh good. You're not the only one who goes in fear of decapitation round here
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I say potential because, like you, I think he has committed too many faux pas (shall we say?) to be readily accepted as a member of the SGC or SG1. If he is to become one, then he'll have to prove himself to Jack and Hammond.
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And I don't really see how he can pull the wool over their eyes; they're both pretty experienced at personality appraisal.
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I don't know. Maybe their thinking is flawed. Perhaps they think we'll all be taken in by his boyish good looks or something. Perhaps they really do think we're all as shallow and brainless as that.
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Yes. Insulting isn't?! :angryfire

Personally, I think T.P.T.B. have cocked up big time here. Jonas Quinn isn't the only short-sighted one when it comes to thinking through the ramifications of the plot. All they had to do was write Daniel out as receiving an offer he couldn't refuse in a diplomatic/academic capacity. No problems. He could have come and gone as the scriptwriters chose. His departure would still have been much regretted, but they would at least have circumvented the wailing and gnashing of teeth... <g>

Or maybe it was deliberate - a cynical ploy to whip up interest in the show...? If so, they seem to have got it in spades. What do you think?

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:

P.S. Joe Mallozzi seems to have been doing the rounds of the newsgroups, posting damage limitation messages after the Salon article. So I p.m.-ed him and he replied - which was quite a surprise (assuming it really was J.M.) . I have replied with similar observations to the above about Jonas Quinn and issued a challenge: If he really thinks we'll believe S.G.1 + General Hammond would accept such an undesirable unknown as a member of the team, then take me on as a scriptwriter for series 6 - which I'm quite prepared to do, incidentally. I shall be very much surprised if I do hear from him again, but I sincerely hope the parallel might give him something to think about... (again assuming it really was J.M.)
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[Jobeth]

I'm with Hatshepsut for the same reasons.

Also, we're told Jonas is an archaeologist as well as a physicist. How nice. Maybe he can take over Sam's role as well.

What experience or skills could he possibly bring to the SGC? His planet's technology is 60 years behind the U.S., he doesn't have the knowledge of earth cultures that Daniel did and he certainly doesn't look military.

However, it's obvious that TPTB don't give a rat's ass what the fans think. They'll probably try to jam him down our throats in S6. As for the whole 'hunk' thing, we'll see about that.

(Actually, I'm hoping for a Sam/Jonas romance. That would be a nice twist.)

If they want new blood, why not replace Jack? RDA's been phoning it in for the last season, and he'll only be in 15 eps anyway.

[BC Rommie :D]

i have one word for him LOOSER

[Jobeth]

D***, you're harsh! I take it you haven't fallen under Jonas' spell yet either. The most positive things I've seen posted are comments such as: Well, he wasn't all that bad, or he's kinda cute, or I'll wait and see.

He's not exactly wowing the public, is he.

[summershake]

I decided to give him a chance and I must say that I kinda liked the character.
When SG-1 first met him and he had this idiotic grin on his face was when I had to grin, too! I'm with Pam and also think they made his character as similar to Daniel as possible.
I wasn't too happy when I heard Corin Nemec's gonna be the 'new guy' on Stargate but I have to admit he did good although I too think that neither General Hammond nor Jack would offer him a job in the SGC let alone put him on SG-1 both because the way he reacted in the episode and the fact that SG-1 is the flagship team.
But so far we have no idea what will happen to the character so I'll climb up my tree again and...wait and see...

[Garron]

Originally posted by Anni
It's just a suggestion, but perhaps when viewing episodes with Jonas in them, it might be easier for you if you thought of him as a 'new character' rather than 'Daniel's replacement'.

I mean, I don't know, I'm just guessing, I'm not inside your head and I don't know how intensely you feel about the demise of Daniel, but let's face it Daniel was a 'pretty boy' too and I know that he was there from the outset of the show and many have grown to love and respect the character, but perhaps we need to give Jonas the benefit of the doubt. He may fit in like a charm, we won't really know until we have seen an episode where he's reacting to the rest of the team and seen what, if any, rapport he manages to achieve.

Just a thought or two.

I totally agree. We CAN'T look at Jonas through the lens of Daniel Jackson. That would be unfair and not the right thing do to.

Sure, many people will compare Daniel to Jonas. Remember though, you wouldn't be doing justice to your favourite show by doing such that.

Michael Shanks left the show because Stargate had nothing left to offer. He was bored. Going nuts. WACKO!

The bottom line is respect MS decision and think of Jonas as new blood to the show.

Were you tired of the same old story line? Well, Jonas will bring new character, plots, and stories to the show. A wonderful idea since now planet earth MIGHT have a valuable trading partner.

[Garron]

Originally posted by Jobeth
I'm with Hatshepsut for the same reasons.

Also, we're told Jonas is an archaeologist as well as a physicist. How nice. Maybe he can take over Sam's role as well.

What experience or skills could he possibly bring to the SGC? His planet's technology is 60 years behind the U.S., he doesn't have the knowledge of earth cultures that Daniel did and he certainly doesn't look military.

However, it's obvious that TPTB don't give a rat's ass what the fans think. They'll probably try to jam him down our throats in S6. As for the whole 'hunk' thing, we'll see about that.

(Actually, I'm hoping for a Sam/Jonas romance. That would be a nice twist.)

If they want new blood, why not replace Jack? RDA's been phoning it in for the last season, and he'll only be in 15 eps anyway.

Why are you a pessimest? There's nothing wrong with Jack. Respect Michael Shank's decision. It was a great idea for MS to leave since it now gives him new opportunities to explore new projects and endeavours. I fully support MS.

To people that are HOPING that MS will come back, don't lose any sleep over it. I myself will be suprised if & when that happens, but place yourself in MS's shoes (pragmatically.) What will happen to my career if I ask producers to take back my request? MS will become a chump!

Back to Jonas. Let him be. Give him a change. Let the young guy explore his new found stardom. Romance with Carter, I'll puke. People already understand MY PERSONAL feelings on Carter. She's tramped around the show. I don't like that!

[Garron]

Originally posted by BC Rommie
i have one word for him LOOSER

I love the originality. You still haven't explained why Jonas is a loser. You haven't given him a chance nor accepted the fact the Michael Shanks has a life outside of television.

Jonas has my full support. True, he's operating in Michael Shank's shadow, but people know and understand the politics behind the show.

I can't wait to see what writers are scheming for the sixth season. I can't wait!

[Garron]

Originally posted by Jobeth
D***, you're harsh! I take it you haven't fallen under Jonas' spell yet either. The most positive things I've seen posted are comments such as: Well, he wasn't all that bad, or he's kinda cute, or I'll wait and see.

He's not exactly wowing the public, is he.

Please tell me that you're accepting Jonas into the show. I agree with you that not many people are embracing his character. Some people here have to understand that actors have lives can make decisions about their careers.

Jonas is a good character; and like I've said before, I can't wait to see what the writers are scheming.

[Hatshepsut]

The thing that *really* niggles me is that we are expected to believe that SG1 and General Hammond are *dumb* enough to take on Judas Quinn :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire

S.G.-1 is a person short. S.G.C. has on a hand a pool of proven high calibre humans who would give their eye teeth for a chance to join the flagship team, S.G.-1.

Do they choose one of their own whom they've trained for the job? You'd think so, wouldn't you? But no.

They are going to pass over all these excellent people for an alien BAD EGG who:

1. stood cravenly by while Dr. Jackson promptly and courageously leapt in to save his people,

2. colluded in the blackguarding of Daniel's reputation over the damage to the lab. in order to preserve his own reputation.

3. stole naquadrium from his own people

4. treasonably took it to a foreign power

5. made S.G.C. a present of this stolen property, thus making them accessories after the fact of his crime, and risking a diplomatic embarrassment when the theft is discovered and the thief has absconded to Earth...

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!! :reyes: :disturbed :reyes:

Next, they'll be expecting us to believe that water flows uphill!!! :angry:

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut - who feels like the small boy in the fairy story of 'The Emperor's New Clothes'. Gak!
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[Garron]

Originally posted by Hatshepsut
The thing that *really* niggles me is that we are expected to believe that SG1 and General Hammond are *dumb* enough to take on Judas Quinn :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire

S.G.-1 is a person short. S.G.C. has on a hand a pool of proven high calibre humans who would give their eye teeth for a chance to join the flagship team, S.G.-1.

Do they choose one of their own whom they've trained for the job? You'd think so, wouldn't you? But no.

They are going to pass over all these excellent people for an alien BAD EGG who:

1. stood cravenly by while Dr. Jackson promptly and courageously leapt in to save his people,

2. colluded in the blackguarding of Daniel's reputation over the damage to the lab. in order to preserve his own reputation.

3. stole naquadrium from his own people

4. treasonably took it to a foreign power

5. made S.G.C. a present of this stolen property, thus making them accessories after the fact of his crime, and risking a diplomatic embarrassment when the theft is discovered and the thief has absconded to Earth...

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!! :reyes: :disturbed :reyes:

Next, they'll be expecting us to believe that water flows uphill!!! :angry:

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut - who feels like the small boy in the fairy story of 'The Emperor's New Clothes'. Gak!
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You've made some valuable points and have contributed to my understanding of Jonas' character. Still, you've overlooked the essence of his character.

Jonas hoped to bridge the relationship between two worlds. He's the misunderstood academic on his home planet and the sore thumb on Earth. Not many people were kicking and screaming when Teal'c left Chulak to backstab his gods.

Jonas intended to save his people from destruction. He also intended to help Earth find a new power source. The bottom line is that Jonas government were using the 'ore' to intimidate the other rivalling superpower. We all know that nuclear weapons don't prevent war, but ignite change in political ideologies and methodologies.

The bottom line is also don't know much about Jonas. Everything right is speculation. We don't know if producers read our comments. The bottom line is MS is gone. If we continue to look at Jonas through Daniel's lenses, we're not helping Stargate. If we're true fans we'll embrace what Jonas has to offer.