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Old 10th February 2002, 11:54 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Old 10th February 2002, 07:17 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Old 13th February 2002, 11:17 PM   #18 (permalink)
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OK, I'm reading the first book again (after reading the second & third after I saw the movie) Gandolf talks abotu how he would never force Bilbo to give up the righ & it would be really bad if someone was force to give it up as apposed to giving it up willingingly. Well dosen't this bode ill for Frodo since at the end he didn't willingly give it up...or did this not count anymore since the ring was destroyed?
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Old 13th February 2002, 11:23 PM   #19 (permalink)
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The power of the ring was broken.
Having said that, it went really bad for Smeagol and it wasn't exactly a bed of roses for Frodo either
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Old 4th March 2002, 07:15 PM   #21 (permalink)
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...you mean, my poor pet!:rolly2:
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cry... i think alot of people will cry more when they see the final film
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I cried on the fisrt one...oh dear I'll need a big...no make that REALLY big box of tissues and a flood warning alarm when i see ROTK...:crying:
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ps I cried when I read the book too...soppy nut
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Old 19th February 2003, 01:52 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Dude! I cried when I read the appendices! :crying:

REALLY LATE IN THE STORY LINE SPOILER, direct quote:



"1482 Death of Mistress Rose, wife of Samwise... [who] comes to the Tower Hills, and is last seen by Elanor [his oldest daughter].... Among them the tradition is handed down from Elanor that Samwise passed the Towers, and went to the Grey Havens, and passed over Sea, last of the Ring-bearers.

"1484 In the sping of the year a message came from Rohan to Buckland that King Eomer wished to see Master Holdwine [Merry] once again. Meriadoc was old (102) but still hale. He took counsel with his friend the Thain [Pippin], and soon after they handed over their goods and offices to their sons and rode away over the Sarn Ford, and they were not seen again in the Shire. It was heard after that Master Meriadoc came to Edoras and was with King Eomer before he died in that autumn. Then he and Thain Peregrin went to Gondor and passed what short years were left to them in that realm, until they died and were laid in Rath Dinen among the great of Gondor.

"1541 In this year on March 1st [Aragorn's b-day] came at last the Passing of King Elessar [Aragorn]. It is said that the beds of Meriadoc and Peregrin were set beside the bed of the great king. Then Legolas built a grey ship in Ithilien, and sailed down Anduin and so over Sea; and with him, it is said, went Gimli the Dwarf. And when that ship passed an end was come in Middle-earth of the Fellowship of the Ring."


I bawled my eyes out at the deep friendship between these men that they would want to be together at such an historic time.

Regarding Arwen, in the appendix with the Aragorn/Arwen story, it explains all about their life and I think you really get a sense of it in TTT film during Elrond's anti-pep talk with her. Sheesh! Can a dad's speach get any more depressing?
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Old 16th August 2003, 12:16 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I'm confused. About Arwen. What was the whole "here's my necklace Aragorn (which I thought was a bit feminine for him to wear round his neck but that's true love I suppose) I choose a mortal life" thing if she is still immortal.
And therefore canot die which means she has to kill herself
and where in the appendix thingy does it say that she does the above? Did I just miss a whole chunk of the story?
So she can't have aged either?

Please help me.
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Old 17th August 2003, 02:13 AM   #26 (permalink)
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No, she can't die... she's still immortal, but I got the impression from the apendix (then the images in TTT film) that she basically dies of a broken heart. She simply (and sadly) choses to stop living because she doesn't want to live without Aragorn. :crying:

I also think that bit in the film about 'chosing a mortal life' is just her way of saying she's chosing life with him. She's chosing to live a life like that of a mortal human, even though she herself is still immortal. (And remember that elves can die, just not of "old age.")
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