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markpud · 26th March 2002, 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by obcooke
She supposed to be 15, for God's sake! Of course, she's a pain in the ass. Do you remember what you were like at 15? Or even better, has anyone got a 15-year-old younger sister? Come on, her portrayal is dead-on - Whining, self-absorbed, anxious to do all the adult stuff and believing that's she ready for it, stubborn - because she already knows everything she'll need to get through life.

the thing that bugs me is that she is soo much more immature than Buffy ad co were back in S1 when they were 16 - only 1 years differnence - I mean Dawn is "inventing" pancake flavours and acting the kid all the time, I'd think that with all shes had to go through in her life, slayer sister, mom dying, sis dying, being reincarnated, that she would have grown up pretty fast....

Highlander II · 27th March 2002, 12:06 AM

yeah - that was my feeling too - she's a little *too* immature for 15 -

but - she gets coddled quite a bit - she's not forced to deal w/ stuff like Buffy was -- she didn't have to deal w/ not having a sister - b/c Tara and Willow moved in and fixed the bot - she wasn't left to 'fend for herself' - not that a 15-y/o could, but she didn't have to worry about it -

guess part of that is Buffy's fault too, tho - b/c Buffy didn't do much checking up on Dawn to make sure she was going to school, or doing her homework - she just assumed that Dawn was doing everything she was supposed to be doing -

any other angles on this i should argue? or did i cover 'em all? (including the one that'll get stuff thrown at me by markpud?

)

markpud · 27th March 2002, 12:25 AM

who me?

:lol:

Highlander II · 27th March 2002, 12:36 AM

nah - you'd never do that ---

i just like to provoke discussion -- it's a hobby of mine!

markpud · 27th March 2002, 11:05 PM

so what do you thinik about the Giles/Anya kiss? Do you think it will come back to haunt her at some point? Perhaps if/when Giles shows up again??

Highlander II · 27th March 2002, 11:42 PM

it's a possibility -- i could see it being an issue in the future if Giles returns --

Annette · 28th March 2002, 05:49 PM

The programme doesn't seem the same without Giles.

It'd be an embarassment for them if they were to meet again. Bringing back memories, ones they probably don't want to remember.

annette

markpud · 30th March 2002, 05:27 PM

i thought it was a little odd that it wasnt mentioned at all before he left, and Anya hasnt mentioned it at all since.. so amybe it will be forgotten.. but thats unlikely, as little goes unpunished in the buffy-verse...

obcooke · 12th April 2002, 11:01 PM

[Highlander II: b/c while it was terribly funny, that scene, it'd be nice to do some 'follow up' on something like that]

Well, you know Anya. She's likely to just blurt out something to Xander like, "Giles is a better kisser. " And she'll do it in front of everyone else, so they can exchange those looks that they do whenever Anya blurts out something.

Highlander II · 25th April 2002, 07:27 PM

very true ---

it's possible they'll do something like that --

guess we'll have to wait and see -

little smaug · 21st June 2002, 07:30 PM

LOVED this episode - it was so hilarious! I was laughing out loud the whole time. :laugh2:

I loved Spike in this episode, he's not normally one of my favourite characters, but his lines were great - "Why not just call me Horny Giles, or Desperate For a Shag Giles?" and the whole speech when he realises he's English.

I've got to admit that I didn't get the loan shark thing until I read it on here - duh! But I didn't like that guy, and his costume seemed very rubbish for BtVS.

Giles and Anya as a couple was funny, and the bunny scene was great. But the kiss? Oh my god!

I did not see that coming. Thank god it didn't go any further! Or maybe it did? After all, we didn't see it when Giles and Joyce had sex. And that would be more interesting if it got revealed later.

I can't believe Giles actually left, I'm going to miss him so much! :crying: The last time he left I knew he'd come back when Buffy came back, but this time he's really gone. Now I have to choose a new favourite character!

Over all, a great episode, my second favourite episode of season 6 so far, after "Once more, with feeling".

little smaug · 23rd June 2002, 12:37 PM

I just watched this episode again, and I noticed that Spike says "I saw the two of you sleeping together" (referring to Giles and Anya). But they both woke up before Spike, by the time Spike woke up they were just sitting next to each other.

Highlander II · 23rd June 2002, 02:47 PM

Yeah - guess that could be a slight continuity error -

have to go watch it yet one more time - yeah, like I haven't watched it several already - and see - hmmmmmmm -

little smaug · 14th July 2002, 03:12 PM

Anya: I don't see any booze. And I don't see Allen Font.
Giles: Who?

I'm right there with you, Giles! Who is Allen Font, and why would he be there if they were all drunk? I'm guessing that this is an American reference, so can someone explain it to me please?

obcooke · 14th July 2002, 05:15 PM

[little smaug: Anya: I don't see any booze. And I don't see Allen Font.]

Alan (Allen?) Funt was the creator of a TV show called "Candid Camera". I'm not sure if you've heard of it, but it was a long ago hit program that was the first of the hidden camera shows.

Moving fire hydrants, talking mailboxes, people eating food off your plate at the diner - all these were inventions of Alan Funt, who loved to watch ordinary people's reactions to strange happenings. That was long before "shock" TV so all the pranks were funny but none of them were rude. I can remember seeing early episodes in black & white, so it's been around a long time.

The phrase, "Smile, you're on Candid Camera" and the revelation of the cameras were a staple of TV entertainment for years and the question, "Am I on Candid Camera?" was often instead of, "What the heck, is going on?"

The show is still on, in syndication, being hosted by the son of Alan Funt.

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27th March 2002, 12:06 AM	#17 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 9,630	yeah - that was my feeling too - she's a little too immature for 15 - but - she gets coddled quite a bit - she's not forced to deal w/ stuff like Buffy was -- she didn't have to deal w/ not having a sister - b/c Tara and Willow moved in and fixed the bot - she wasn't left to 'fend for herself' - not that a 15-y/o could, but she didn't have to worry about it - guess part of that is Buffy's fault too, tho - b/c Buffy didn't do much checking up on Dawn to make sure she was going to school, or doing her homework - she just assumed that Dawn was doing everything she was supposed to be doing - any other angles on this i should argue? or did i cover 'em all? (including the one that'll get stuff thrown at me by markpud? )

27th March 2002, 12:25 AM	#18 (permalink)
markpud Retired super-mod-erator! Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,739	who me? :lol:

27th March 2002, 12:36 AM	#19 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 9,630	nah - you'd never do that --- i just like to provoke discussion -- it's a hobby of mine!

27th March 2002, 11:05 PM	#20 (permalink)
markpud Retired super-mod-erator! Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,739	so what do you thinik about the Giles/Anya kiss? Do you think it will come back to haunt her at some point? Perhaps if/when Giles shows up again??

27th March 2002, 11:42 PM	#21 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 9,630	it's a possibility -- i could see it being an issue in the future if Giles returns --

28th March 2002, 05:49 PM	#22 (permalink)
Annette This is Star - my honey!! Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 5,942	The programme doesn't seem the same without Giles. It'd be an embarassment for them if they were to meet again. Bringing back memories, ones they probably don't want to remember. annette

30th March 2002, 05:27 PM	#23 (permalink)
markpud Retired super-mod-erator! Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,739	i thought it was a little odd that it wasnt mentioned at all before he left, and Anya hasnt mentioned it at all since.. so amybe it will be forgotten.. but thats unlikely, as little goes unpunished in the buffy-verse...

12th April 2002, 11:01 PM	#24 (permalink)
obcooke OB-Wan Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,357	[Highlander II: b/c while it was terribly funny, that scene, it'd be nice to do some 'follow up' on something like that] Well, you know Anya. She's likely to just blurt out something to Xander like, "Giles is a better kisser. " And she'll do it in front of everyone else, so they can exchange those looks that they do whenever Anya blurts out something.

25th April 2002, 07:27 PM	#25 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 9,630	very true --- it's possible they'll do something like that -- guess we'll have to wait and see -

21st June 2002, 07:30 PM	#26 (permalink)
little smaug Fire and Brimstone Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,347	LOVED this episode - it was so hilarious! I was laughing out loud the whole time. :laugh2: I loved Spike in this episode, he's not normally one of my favourite characters, but his lines were great - "Why not just call me Horny Giles, or Desperate For a Shag Giles?" and the whole speech when he realises he's English. I've got to admit that I didn't get the loan shark thing until I read it on here - duh! But I didn't like that guy, and his costume seemed very rubbish for BtVS. Giles and Anya as a couple was funny, and the bunny scene was great. But the kiss? Oh my god! I did not see that coming. Thank god it didn't go any further! Or maybe it did? After all, we didn't see it when Giles and Joyce had sex. And that would be more interesting if it got revealed later. I can't believe Giles actually left, I'm going to miss him so much! :crying: The last time he left I knew he'd come back when Buffy came back, but this time he's really gone. Now I have to choose a new favourite character! Over all, a great episode, my second favourite episode of season 6 so far, after "Once more, with feeling".

23rd June 2002, 12:37 PM	#27 (permalink)
little smaug Fire and Brimstone Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,347	I just watched this episode again, and I noticed that Spike says "I saw the two of you sleeping together" (referring to Giles and Anya). But they both woke up before Spike, by the time Spike woke up they were just sitting next to each other.

23rd June 2002, 02:47 PM	#28 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 9,630	Yeah - guess that could be a slight continuity error - have to go watch it yet one more time - yeah, like I haven't watched it several already - and see - hmmmmmmm -

14th July 2002, 03:12 PM	#29 (permalink)
little smaug Fire and Brimstone Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,347	Anya: I don't see any booze. And I don't see Allen Font. Giles: Who? I'm right there with you, Giles! Who is Allen Font, and why would he be there if they were all drunk? I'm guessing that this is an American reference, so can someone explain it to me please?

14th July 2002, 05:15 PM	#30 (permalink)
obcooke OB-Wan Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,357	[little smaug: Anya: I don't see any booze. And I don't see Allen Font.] Alan (Allen?) Funt was the creator of a TV show called "Candid Camera". I'm not sure if you've heard of it, but it was a long ago hit program that was the first of the hidden camera shows. Moving fire hydrants, talking mailboxes, people eating food off your plate at the diner - all these were inventions of Alan Funt, who loved to watch ordinary people's reactions to strange happenings. That was long before "shock" TV so all the pranks were funny but none of them were rude. I can remember seeing early episodes in black & white, so it's been around a long time. The phrase, "Smile, you're on Candid Camera" and the revelation of the cameras were a staple of TV entertainment for years and the question, "Am I on Candid Camera?" was often instead of, "What the heck, is going on?" The show is still on, in syndication, being hosted by the son of Alan Funt.