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PTeppic · 11th February 2002, 07:30 PM

Funny, the concept of the Ancient's being directly or related to "Atlantis" has been postulated (well okay, by me) in one of the threads in the Technical forum.

Does this mean someone high up has been listening to our illiterate ramblings, or do great minds think alike.

Or, more likely, it's just a coincidence.

Cat · 11th February 2002, 11:41 PM

I could be wrong on this, not being a Trekkie, but Star Trek never did anything Atlantis-y, did it?

Sort of new ground, I suppose. Not really tackled by other shows. It must be getting real hard to find a new idea these days.

And Anni, there was a time (an awful dark time) not that long ago when the mullet was a BIG favourite here in Australia. Even now, when we should know better, you can still find them lurking. It was not a good look. On anyone. Including RDA.

Sphinx · 13th February 2002, 09:19 AM

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Does this mean someone high up has been listening to our illiterate ramblings, or do great minds think alike.

Or, more likely, it's just a coincidence.

I disagree, not about your great mind

, the coincidence bit ...

I remember ages ago in the times of sg1.net when we had a discussion about a stargate under water and how it would technically be possible. Guess what ... "Watergate" was created, coincidence - I think not

squire · 15th February 2002, 12:02 PM

Ahh, this is good news

woohoo!

PTeppic · 17th February 2002, 09:30 PM

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Originally posted by Sphinx
I remember ages ago in the times of sg1.net when we had a discussion about a stargate under water and how it would technically be possible. Guess what ... "Watergate" was created, coincidence - I think not

There are major players from all the arts who actively participate in the internet in all its forms...

This cuts both ways, and at least one major UK author now avoids newsgroups to escape any possible money-grabbing (or other) claim by someone suggesting THEIR usenet ramblings or idea has been used a future novel...

The opposite could hold true - writers of various series could be lurking around newsgroups or BBS looking for ideas, twists or sub-plots.

Jedispara · 25th February 2002, 10:18 PM

i think that that idea about the water gate is a good idea, but is there any way of proving that they did that dilberatly... i mean look back to the one "Fire and water" (is that the right name???) i mean that also has ties...

PTeppic · 26th February 2002, 08:20 AM

I suppose finding a gate that was entirley under water was inevitable, for various reasons, not least the possibility of an alien lifeform that is aquatic. In "Watergate" they just went one step further...

In a way it all comes down to Sam's aside to Jacob in "The Tok'ra (part 2)" about the gate system apparently being designed for human-like physiology... in pretty much the same way as the Star Trek universe is primarily "class M" planets. They are just easier to film!

[Of course (see a number of threads in Technical), it could be argued that "underwater" would actually "block" the event horizon and therefore prevent an incoming wormhole!]

Jedispara · 26th February 2002, 10:16 PM

ya, we will have to see what they come up with!

PTeppic · 26th February 2002, 11:32 PM

Well, I suppose we could (mentally) go through a list of all the terrains and population types on Earth and see which ones we have had, and therefore predict future ones. The issues of the "plot" are a lot more complicated, but there are probably still some "classic" plots from many genres which can still be used.

Anyway, starting to think aloud (and I know we could argue about this or that place in this or that episode!):

ultra-high tech (Tollan, Nox, Nem, Asgard, Goa'uld/Tok'ra), high-tech ("New Ground", "Beneath the Surface", Orban), current-ish ("Other Side"), almost now but pre-space (not yet), steam (Vyus?), literate agricultural (Edora, "Scorched Earth", "Demons", Cimmeria?, Hanka?, Cartago), pre-literate subsistence/hunter-gather agricultural (Abydos, Simarka, "Spirits", "One False Step", Cimmeria?, "The First Ones", "Touchstone"?), Grecian style (Broca Light side, Chulak town, Argos), totally unknown (Reetou)

And locations/religions/styles:
Egyptian (Goa'uld/Tok'ra, Abydos), Grecian (Nem, Argos), American Indian ("Spirits"), other Earth historical ("Emancipation", "Crystal Skull"), woodland (Nox, "Broca Divide"), desert (Abydos, Vorash), tropical ("Touchstone), open rural (Edora), snow ("Solitudes", "Beneath the Surface"), water ("Watergate"), high mountain (not yet), marsh/fens (not yet), rain-forest (not yet), and so on.

Go on - what would be your favourite people/group/terrain to see in the future?

Jedispara · 27th February 2002, 04:42 AM

what about the Mayan or Inca.... there could also be celtic, they did Viking, but not Celtic....

Sphinx · 6th March 2002, 06:27 PM

A while ago - somewhere on this forum (probably in General) there was a post about Atlantis and possible ideas.

The title suggests to me that we might travel back in time to when the gate system was first created. It's already been confirmed in recent chat transcripts that the new series will not revolve around the military.

The gate system, if I'm correct was created by The Ancients. We have yet to see this race although we know they are part of the 4 race alliance that the Asgard are apart of. One episode actually showed the writings of The Ancients - can't remember which ep though.

What if the new spin-off details the creation of the system and how the system was used. We rarely see the gate systems actually used for something other than travel. They had to be created for another reason - what was it ?

I think all this could be explored in the spin-off. Atlantis was full of Mystery in Myth, this would be an ideal place to locate the first ever earth gate in my opinion.

Any, just brainstorming, if I think of anything else I'll let you know.

Jedispara · 6th March 2002, 10:38 PM

what about this.... the Atlantiens were the Ancients!!!

PTeppic · 10th March 2002, 12:14 AM

Ancients = Atlantis ... I think I suggested it in September last year...

[Season 6 thread somewhere] but no doubt it has been suggested before. In one of the other Technical threads we look at which gate came first, and suggested it COULD have been the Antarctic one, and that the Giza gate was brought in by Ra when the other one froze up (or the nearby land, anyway).

Gate system... why should it not have been used for transport? When Jacob travels for the first time (to Vorash) Sam explains all the planets seem to be suitable for human-like beings. I am not sure what other purpose it would actually have if NOT for transport. Except perhaps for communications, but even that is the transport of communications signals...:alienooh:

Jedispara · 10th March 2002, 11:38 PM

how much you want to bet that they will put it that way... Ancients=Atlantiens.....

Kitty · 17th March 2002, 06:21 PM

maybe the ancients had a way of predicting solar flares, so then they could have used the gate for time travel.

11th February 2002, 07:30 PM	#16 (permalink)
PTeppic Reetou Diplomatic Corp Join Date: May 2001 Location: North-west UK Posts: 3,109	Funny, the concept of the Ancient's being directly or related to "Atlantis" has been postulated (well okay, by me) in one of the threads in the Technical forum. Does this mean someone high up has been listening to our illiterate ramblings, or do great minds think alike. Or, more likely, it's just a coincidence.

11th February 2002, 11:41 PM	#17 (permalink)
Cat Look! I'm posting again! Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: new south wales, australia Posts: 2,071	I could be wrong on this, not being a Trekkie, but Star Trek never did anything Atlantis-y, did it? Sort of new ground, I suppose. Not really tackled by other shows. It must be getting real hard to find a new idea these days. And Anni, there was a time (an awful dark time) not that long ago when the mullet was a BIG favourite here in Australia. Even now, when we should know better, you can still find them lurking. It was not a good look. On anyone. Including RDA.

15th February 2002, 12:02 PM	#19 (permalink)
squire Rock n Roll! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 958	Ahh, this is good news woohoo!

25th February 2002, 10:18 PM	#21 (permalink)
Jedispara {IPPH} Trade CO Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,890	i think that that idea about the water gate is a good idea, but is there any way of proving that they did that dilberatly... i mean look back to the one "Fire and water" (is that the right name???) i mean that also has ties...

26th February 2002, 08:20 AM	#22 (permalink)
PTeppic Reetou Diplomatic Corp Join Date: May 2001 Location: North-west UK Posts: 3,109	I suppose finding a gate that was entirley under water was inevitable, for various reasons, not least the possibility of an alien lifeform that is aquatic. In "Watergate" they just went one step further... In a way it all comes down to Sam's aside to Jacob in "The Tok'ra (part 2)" about the gate system apparently being designed for human-like physiology... in pretty much the same way as the Star Trek universe is primarily "class M" planets. They are just easier to film! [Of course (see a number of threads in Technical), it could be argued that "underwater" would actually "block" the event horizon and therefore prevent an incoming wormhole!]

26th February 2002, 10:16 PM	#23 (permalink)
Jedispara {IPPH} Trade CO Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,890	ya, we will have to see what they come up with!

26th February 2002, 11:32 PM	#24 (permalink)
PTeppic Reetou Diplomatic Corp Join Date: May 2001 Location: North-west UK Posts: 3,109	Well, I suppose we could (mentally) go through a list of all the terrains and population types on Earth and see which ones we have had, and therefore predict future ones. The issues of the "plot" are a lot more complicated, but there are probably still some "classic" plots from many genres which can still be used. Anyway, starting to think aloud (and I know we could argue about this or that place in this or that episode!): ultra-high tech (Tollan, Nox, Nem, Asgard, Goa'uld/Tok'ra), high-tech ("New Ground", "Beneath the Surface", Orban), current-ish ("Other Side"), almost now but pre-space (not yet), steam (Vyus?), literate agricultural (Edora, "Scorched Earth", "Demons", Cimmeria?, Hanka?, Cartago), pre-literate subsistence/hunter-gather agricultural (Abydos, Simarka, "Spirits", "One False Step", Cimmeria?, "The First Ones", "Touchstone"?), Grecian style (Broca Light side, Chulak town, Argos), totally unknown (Reetou) And locations/religions/styles: Egyptian (Goa'uld/Tok'ra, Abydos), Grecian (Nem, Argos), American Indian ("Spirits"), other Earth historical ("Emancipation", "Crystal Skull"), woodland (Nox, "Broca Divide"), desert (Abydos, Vorash), tropical ("Touchstone), open rural (Edora), snow ("Solitudes", "Beneath the Surface"), water ("Watergate"), high mountain (not yet), marsh/fens (not yet), rain-forest (not yet), and so on. Go on - what would be your favourite people/group/terrain to see in the future?

27th February 2002, 04:42 AM	#25 (permalink)
Jedispara {IPPH} Trade CO Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,890	what about the Mayan or Inca.... there could also be celtic, they did Viking, but not Celtic....

6th March 2002, 06:27 PM	#26 (permalink)
Sphinx How it all began ... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Uk Posts: 219	A while ago - somewhere on this forum (probably in General) there was a post about Atlantis and possible ideas. The title suggests to me that we might travel back in time to when the gate system was first created. It's already been confirmed in recent chat transcripts that the new series will not revolve around the military. The gate system, if I'm correct was created by The Ancients. We have yet to see this race although we know they are part of the 4 race alliance that the Asgard are apart of. One episode actually showed the writings of The Ancients - can't remember which ep though. What if the new spin-off details the creation of the system and how the system was used. We rarely see the gate systems actually used for something other than travel. They had to be created for another reason - what was it ? I think all this could be explored in the spin-off. Atlantis was full of Mystery in Myth, this would be an ideal place to locate the first ever earth gate in my opinion. Any, just brainstorming, if I think of anything else I'll let you know.

6th March 2002, 10:38 PM	#27 (permalink)
Jedispara {IPPH} Trade CO Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,890	what about this.... the Atlantiens were the Ancients!!!

10th March 2002, 12:14 AM	#28 (permalink)
PTeppic Reetou Diplomatic Corp Join Date: May 2001 Location: North-west UK Posts: 3,109	Ancients = Atlantis ... I think I suggested it in September last year... [Season 6 thread somewhere] but no doubt it has been suggested before. In one of the other Technical threads we look at which gate came first, and suggested it COULD have been the Antarctic one, and that the Giza gate was brought in by Ra when the other one froze up (or the nearby land, anyway). Gate system... why should it not have been used for transport? When Jacob travels for the first time (to Vorash) Sam explains all the planets seem to be suitable for human-like beings. I am not sure what other purpose it would actually have if NOT for transport. Except perhaps for communications, but even that is the transport of communications signals...:alienooh:

10th March 2002, 11:38 PM	#29 (permalink)
Jedispara {IPPH} Trade CO Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,890	how much you want to bet that they will put it that way... Ancients=Atlantiens.....

17th March 2002, 06:21 PM	#30 (permalink)
Kitty Yay!!! Stargate Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Warwick Uni Posts: 121	maybe the ancients had a way of predicting solar flares, so then they could have used the gate for time travel.