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Dave · 8th November 2001, 11:27 AM

Consistently, regarded (together with 'The Trouble with Tribbles') as the best TOS episode. Certainly, has a good feel, and an excellent ending. Concentrates on the three main characters which always worked best in TOS. The look and shape of the Guardian of Forever is also good, pity it never was used again.

The differences between the original script by Harlan Ellison (which won the Wrtiters' Guild of America Award for teleplay 1967-8) and the completed episode, adapted by Gene Roddenberry (which won the 1968 Hugo Award) have long been the subject of discussion, and some bitterness. Harlan wrote the script when only the 'Cage' and 'Where No One...' had been made, so many things had to be changed to fit the ST universe.

Highlander II · 8th November 2001, 08:22 PM

i've seen this - so i remember tiny tiny bits - it's been a LONG time since i saw it --- but scifi just started over - so it should be up pretty soon - "Corbomite Maneuver" was on yesterday (tho i missed part of it b/c i think i fell asleep during it too - stupid Benedryl) --- anyway -- once i get to see it again - i'll be back!!

Highlander II · 15th November 2001, 04:50 PM

ok - watched this yesterday (got tired of waiting for scifi, so i bought the video) --

definitely one of the best episodes ---

McCoy goes nuts, Kirk and Spock have to help him out --

i always like it when the Trek characters have to where non-Starfleet attire --- kinda gives them a more 'real' appearance - and Spock in 20th century attire, is just amusing --

(seeing this ep also helped w/ your Starfleet Academy thing in the fanfic thread - how to build the mnemonic whatever it was from nothing --- )

and Spock having to build that mnemonic (why can't i remember the name of that thing?) from what he had available -- awesome! - it's like a 23rd century MacGyver! (even more ironic b/c MacGyver wasn't even a thought until 20 years after ST:TOS!)

oh - question - was Leonard Nimoy the voice of the Guardian of Forever??

Dave · 15th November 2001, 05:03 PM

I'm not sure about the voice, if it sounds like Nimoy it probably was, my books don't say, and I can't remember. James Doohan did a lot of voices though, he was good with accents, he doesn't really speak like Scotty!

Highlander II · 15th November 2001, 10:12 PM

that's cool about Doohan! - and it's really funny to look at him - b/c he looks SOOOO different in the movies than he does in the series - it's weird - my sister thought it wasn't the same guy!

the Guardian of Forever does sound a lot like Nimoy --

however, i can't believe i asked a question you didn't know the answer to!

Dave · 15th November 2001, 11:08 PM

HA HA!

Highlander II · 18th November 2001, 04:40 AM

hey - you should be flattered ---- why? b/c when we don't know something we ask you -- why? b/c you seem to have all the answers -------

Dave · 27th February 2002, 04:19 PM

I think it is uncredited, but probably James Doohan, he did play the voice of the Guardian in the Animated series episode 'Yesteryear'.

http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Doohan,+James

So he remains my best guess!

Dave · 1st March 2002, 11:55 AM

I Found it !!!!

I don't want to be unable to answer a question.

this site gives it: http://www.psiphi.org/tos/ep/028c.html

Quote:

Bartell La Rue -- Guardian Voice

Highlander II · 1st March 2002, 04:58 PM

wow - i totally forgot i had even asked until just now --

thanx, Dave!!

Dave · 6th March 2002, 01:05 AM

When McCoy transports down to the planet, and Kirk and Spock follow with the security detail, they can't find him until he runs and leaps into the 'Guardian'. Surely, Uhura could have pinpointed him with her tricorder?

Technomage · 27th April 2002, 12:46 PM

Yes, I too think this is one of the best TOS episodes, it had a well thought out story, with just the right amount of action and the character interplay was excellent.

Plus it was a time travel story - my favourite science fiction premise.

rde · 27th April 2002, 10:21 PM

I've occasionally wondered would I be such a fan of this episode if it weren't written by my favourite writer; however, it's so much better than any other episode, I've got to assume 'yes'.

Ellison is an excellent fiction writer, but his fiction is eclipsed by his non-fic. "The Glass Teat" is one of the best books on television you'll ever read. In fact, any of his non-fiction is essential reading for anyone with an interest in the sociological effects of television.

Harlan Ellison : What a Guy.

8th November 2001, 11:27 AM	#1 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,443	"City On The Edge Of Forever" :1. #28 Consistently, regarded (together with 'The Trouble with Tribbles') as the best TOS episode. Certainly, has a good feel, and an excellent ending. Concentrates on the three main characters which always worked best in TOS. The look and shape of the Guardian of Forever is also good, pity it never was used again. The differences between the original script by Harlan Ellison (which won the Wrtiters' Guild of America Award for teleplay 1967-8) and the completed episode, adapted by Gene Roddenberry (which won the 1968 Hugo Award) have long been the subject of discussion, and some bitterness. Harlan wrote the script when only the 'Cage' and 'Where No One...' had been made, so many things had to be changed to fit the ST universe.

8th November 2001, 08:22 PM	#2 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 9,482	i've seen this - so i remember tiny tiny bits - it's been a LONG time since i saw it --- but scifi just started over - so it should be up pretty soon - "Corbomite Maneuver" was on yesterday (tho i missed part of it b/c i think i fell asleep during it too - stupid Benedryl) --- anyway -- once i get to see it again - i'll be back!!

15th November 2001, 04:50 PM	#3 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 9,482	ok - watched this yesterday (got tired of waiting for scifi, so i bought the video) -- definitely one of the best episodes --- McCoy goes nuts, Kirk and Spock have to help him out -- i always like it when the Trek characters have to where non-Starfleet attire --- kinda gives them a more 'real' appearance - and Spock in 20th century attire, is just amusing -- (seeing this ep also helped w/ your Starfleet Academy thing in the fanfic thread - how to build the mnemonic whatever it was from nothing --- ) and Spock having to build that mnemonic (why can't i remember the name of that thing?) from what he had available -- awesome! - it's like a 23rd century MacGyver! (even more ironic b/c MacGyver wasn't even a thought until 20 years after ST:TOS!) oh - question - was Leonard Nimoy the voice of the Guardian of Forever??

15th November 2001, 05:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,443	I'm not sure about the voice, if it sounds like Nimoy it probably was, my books don't say, and I can't remember. James Doohan did a lot of voices though, he was good with accents, he doesn't really speak like Scotty!

15th November 2001, 10:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 9,482	that's cool about Doohan! - and it's really funny to look at him - b/c he looks SOOOO different in the movies than he does in the series - it's weird - my sister thought it wasn't the same guy! the Guardian of Forever does sound a lot like Nimoy -- however, i can't believe i asked a question you didn't know the answer to!

15th November 2001, 11:08 PM	#6 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,443	HA HA!

18th November 2001, 04:40 AM	#7 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 9,482	hey - you should be flattered ---- why? b/c when we don't know something we ask you -- why? b/c you seem to have all the answers -------

27th February 2002, 04:19 PM	#8 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,443	I think it is uncredited, but probably James Doohan, he did play the voice of the Guardian in the Animated series episode 'Yesteryear'. http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Doohan,+James So he remains my best guess!

1st March 2002, 04:58 PM	#10 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 9,482	wow - i totally forgot i had even asked until just now -- thanx, Dave!!

6th March 2002, 01:05 AM	#11 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,443	When McCoy transports down to the planet, and Kirk and Spock follow with the security detail, they can't find him until he runs and leaps into the 'Guardian'. Surely, Uhura could have pinpointed him with her tricorder?

27th April 2002, 12:46 PM	#12 (permalink)
Technomage Chocolate Connoisseur. Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 148	Yes, I too think this is one of the best TOS episodes, it had a well thought out story, with just the right amount of action and the character interplay was excellent. Plus it was a time travel story - my favourite science fiction premise.

27th April 2002, 10:21 PM	#13 (permalink)
rde Advanced Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 157	I've occasionally wondered would I be such a fan of this episode if it weren't written by my favourite writer; however, it's so much better than any other episode, I've got to assume 'yes'. Ellison is an excellent fiction writer, but his fiction is eclipsed by his non-fic. "The Glass Teat" is one of the best books on television you'll ever read. In fact, any of his non-fiction is essential reading for anyone with an interest in the sociological effects of television. Harlan Ellison : What a Guy.