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Dave · 31st October 2001, 02:16 AM

Never aired at the time it was made, it is very different to the version of Trek that later appeared. Jeffrey Hunter as Captain Pike is, like the episode, much more sombre and contemplative than Kirk. It is so different that they couldn't air it, it just doesn't fit in. So they created a story to frame it -- "The Menagerie." But they had to remove all the warp drive sequences, and Mr. Spock's decision to flee Talos IV while the captain was still a captive of the Talosians.

The landing party wear coats. Spock smiles and shouts with emotion.

Why do the Talosians not know how to put Vina back together? They look humanoid to me, couldn't they put her togther like themselves instead of the deformed way? Or better still, why not read her mind?

Highlander II · 31st October 2001, 04:08 AM

well - i don't remember much about this - it was aired the other day, but i think i got stuck doing something else - it's kinda boring too ---

and the uniforms are weird looking ---

*sigh* - gotta somehow get these hanging around so i can watch 'em all the time -----

Dave · 31st October 2001, 03:31 PM

Even I've only seen it once! It is a strange variation of Star Trek and was only available on pirate video until recently. I'm not sure if the BBC have ever shown it, maybe that is the time that I saw it.

Highlander II · 31st October 2001, 04:38 PM

yeah - i remember sometime back in the mid 80's, i think ABC, made a big deal about airing it as the 'original, unaired Pilot ep' of ST -- probably a good thing they never aired this ep -- b/c i don't think the show would have done very well --

wasn't Uhura initially supposed to be 1st officer? instead of Spock? and they changed it b/c they didn't think the 'public' would accept it, even tho the show took place in the future??

Dave · 31st October 2001, 05:03 PM

It was Majel Barrett Roddenberry who was Number One. She became Nurse Chapel instead, married Roddenberry... etc.

But yes that was the story -- women did not have strong roles on TV then.

Highlander II · 31st October 2001, 07:30 PM

okay - maybe it was her -- i knew it was one of the ladies -- and how ridiculous --

oh - and did ya notice that NONE of the 1st officers (save Kira, who wasn't starfleet) have been female?? (and if the one on Voy was, sorry - didn't watch Voy -- but i was pretty sure it was a guy) --- and Janeway is only one of a few female Captains we've seen --- (crusher doesn't count, that was an alternate timeline) --

anyone ever follow/flesh out the 'Nurse Chapel loves Spock' storyline anywhere? like in a fic or something? (Naked Time was on yesterday)

Dave · 31st October 2001, 11:18 PM

Are you kidding?

I don't read much Star Trek fiction, I don't like reading things that aren't canon. It just annoys me. But there must be hundreds of books about Nurse Chapel and Spock.

Highlander II · 1st November 2001, 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
Are you kidding?

I don't read much Star Trek fiction, I don't like reading things that aren't canon. It just annoys me. But there must be hundreds of books about Nurse Chapel and Spock.

no, i'm not kidding - i'm just asking -- i haven't looked for Trek fic - haven't had time --

i'm sure someone's probably done something - and i would assume that Chapel/Spock is probably one of those things like Jack/Sam (from Stargate) that's been done to death - i was just wondering if anyone had done it well -- i hate reading bad fic --

Dave · 6th March 2002, 04:19 PM

First Trek Nemesis Dies

Meg Wyllie, the actress who played the swollen-headed alien in the Star Trek pilot, died Jan. 1 2002 in Glendale, Calif., the official Star Trek Web site reported. She was 84.

Wyllie had the distinction of being Star Trek's first alien nemesis. She played the Keeper, a Talosian who used powers of illusion to imprison Capt. Christopher Pike, James Kirk's predecessor, in a menagerie.

31st October 2001, 02:16 AM	#1 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,440	"The Cage" #1 ------ Never aired at the time it was made, it is very different to the version of Trek that later appeared. Jeffrey Hunter as Captain Pike is, like the episode, much more sombre and contemplative than Kirk. It is so different that they couldn't air it, it just doesn't fit in. So they created a story to frame it -- "The Menagerie." But they had to remove all the warp drive sequences, and Mr. Spock's decision to flee Talos IV while the captain was still a captive of the Talosians. The landing party wear coats. Spock smiles and shouts with emotion. Why do the Talosians not know how to put Vina back together? They look humanoid to me, couldn't they put her togther like themselves instead of the deformed way? Or better still, why not read her mind?

31st October 2001, 04:08 AM	#2 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 9,481	well - i don't remember much about this - it was aired the other day, but i think i got stuck doing something else - it's kinda boring too --- and the uniforms are weird looking --- sigh - gotta somehow get these hanging around so i can watch 'em all the time -----

31st October 2001, 03:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,440	Even I've only seen it once! It is a strange variation of Star Trek and was only available on pirate video until recently. I'm not sure if the BBC have ever shown it, maybe that is the time that I saw it.

31st October 2001, 04:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 9,481	yeah - i remember sometime back in the mid 80's, i think ABC, made a big deal about airing it as the 'original, unaired Pilot ep' of ST -- probably a good thing they never aired this ep -- b/c i don't think the show would have done very well -- wasn't Uhura initially supposed to be 1st officer? instead of Spock? and they changed it b/c they didn't think the 'public' would accept it, even tho the show took place in the future??

31st October 2001, 05:03 PM	#5 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,440	It was Majel Barrett Roddenberry who was Number One. She became Nurse Chapel instead, married Roddenberry... etc. But yes that was the story -- women did not have strong roles on TV then.

31st October 2001, 07:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 9,481	okay - maybe it was her -- i knew it was one of the ladies -- and how ridiculous -- oh - and did ya notice that NONE of the 1st officers (save Kira, who wasn't starfleet) have been female?? (and if the one on Voy was, sorry - didn't watch Voy -- but i was pretty sure it was a guy) --- and Janeway is only one of a few female Captains we've seen --- (crusher doesn't count, that was an alternate timeline) -- anyone ever follow/flesh out the 'Nurse Chapel loves Spock' storyline anywhere? like in a fic or something? (Naked Time was on yesterday)

31st October 2001, 11:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,440	Are you kidding? I don't read much Star Trek fiction, I don't like reading things that aren't canon. It just annoys me. But there must be hundreds of books about Nurse Chapel and Spock.

6th March 2002, 04:19 PM	#9 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,440	First Trek Nemesis Dies Meg Wyllie, the actress who played the swollen-headed alien in the Star Trek pilot, died Jan. 1 2002 in Glendale, Calif., the official Star Trek Web site reported. She was 84. Wyllie had the distinction of being Star Trek's first alien nemesis. She played the Keeper, a Talosian who used powers of illusion to imprison Capt. Christopher Pike, James Kirk's predecessor, in a menagerie.