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Boaz · 28th April 2006, 09:31 AM

Great thread title.

Congrats on being an idiot. Welcome to the club.

This theory is not bad, Joff was forcing Tywin to take a firmer hand than he probably intended, but regicide is still a leap without any hard evidence. A more tractable king would have been nice, but if he killed Joff, then eight year old Tommen (not the picture of health) would be all that stood between the Lannisters controlling the throne and the Lannisters being thrown out and perhaps killed. I say a bad king with an heir is better than a malleable king without one.

My own favorite theory on Tywin also suffers from no evidence whatsoever. The theory is that Shae and Bronn were working for Tywin from at least the night before the battle where Tywin defeats Roose Bolton. Knowing that whores are Tyrion's weakness, Tywin buys Bronn and has Bronn bring Shae to Tyrion. Both Bronn and Shae are vague concerning her origins. Shae seems over eager, in my opinion, to take a hideous dwarf (even a fabulously rich one) as her lover. Bronn and Shae feed info to Tywin (I'm sure the number of his informants was second only to Varys'.) Tywin expressly forbids Tyrion to take Shae to court knowing that Tyrion would then indeed take her to spite his father. How did Tywin stay abreast of the Small Council? Cersei, Baelish, Varys, Pycelle and Tyrion would only send Tywin certain information, but Shae and Bronn could easily inform him of all of the Hand's comings and goings. Bronn abandoned Tyrion for a title, Tyrion thought Cersei behind this, but in actuality Tywin had already assumed the Handship and the Regency. At Tyrion's trial, Shae's testimony was obviously bought or coerced... if it was Cersei, why was Shae not then immediately shipped off? if it was Tywin, would this explain why Shae was in his bed? Cersei seemed shocked that Tywin would take a common whore to his bed... but what if Shae was an accomplished spy and courtesan (a Geisha, if you will) in Tywin's employ? After Tywin's death, Bronn makes it clear that he disdains Cersei by naming his stepson after Tyrion. Bronn then defies Cersei's assassin and her authority. I don't think he'd have done it if he'd been in her pay, nor would she have treated him thus if she'd been paying him.

The problem with my theory is that there is not one bit of evidence... it's all conjecture.

28th April 2006, 09:31 AM	#2 (permalink)
Boaz Thaphireth! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,770	Re: Everyone needs a conspiracy theory.... Great thread title. Congrats on being an idiot. Welcome to the club. This theory is not bad, Joff was forcing Tywin to take a firmer hand than he probably intended, but regicide is still a leap without any hard evidence. A more tractable king would have been nice, but if he killed Joff, then eight year old Tommen (not the picture of health) would be all that stood between the Lannisters controlling the throne and the Lannisters being thrown out and perhaps killed. I say a bad king with an heir is better than a malleable king without one. My own favorite theory on Tywin also suffers from no evidence whatsoever. The theory is that Shae and Bronn were working for Tywin from at least the night before the battle where Tywin defeats Roose Bolton. Knowing that whores are Tyrion's weakness, Tywin buys Bronn and has Bronn bring Shae to Tyrion. Both Bronn and Shae are vague concerning her origins. Shae seems over eager, in my opinion, to take a hideous dwarf (even a fabulously rich one) as her lover. Bronn and Shae feed info to Tywin (I'm sure the number of his informants was second only to Varys'.) Tywin expressly forbids Tyrion to take Shae to court knowing that Tyrion would then indeed take her to spite his father. How did Tywin stay abreast of the Small Council? Cersei, Baelish, Varys, Pycelle and Tyrion would only send Tywin certain information, but Shae and Bronn could easily inform him of all of the Hand's comings and goings. Bronn abandoned Tyrion for a title, Tyrion thought Cersei behind this, but in actuality Tywin had already assumed the Handship and the Regency. At Tyrion's trial, Shae's testimony was obviously bought or coerced... if it was Cersei, why was Shae not then immediately shipped off? if it was Tywin, would this explain why Shae was in his bed? Cersei seemed shocked that Tywin would take a common whore to his bed... but what if Shae was an accomplished spy and courtesan (a Geisha, if you will) in Tywin's employ? After Tywin's death, Bronn makes it clear that he disdains Cersei by naming his stepson after Tyrion. Bronn then defies Cersei's assassin and her authority. I don't think he'd have done it if he'd been in her pay, nor would she have treated him thus if she'd been paying him. The problem with my theory is that there is not one bit of evidence... it's all conjecture.