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pamie · 16th January 2002, 10:15 PM

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Originally posted by Anni
but in my opinion it was a good solid episode. Well done, well acted and relatively well put together. No glaringly obvious plotholes. Well worth a watch!

Yeah I agree...they were together as a team and not on Earth which in my book is a good start for any SG1 episode!!

As Anni has said well worth a watch!

Brit Chick · 17th January 2002, 08:29 AM

I liked this one too, we got a bit of insight into the Jaffa thing. The only thing was I just kind of had the feeling pretty early on that all was not as it should be with this other Jaffa leader (damn it was only last night I already I can't remember his name !) BUT, although I was wondering what the set up could be I had no idea it would that he was a Goau'ld - that was the shocker for me.

Anyway, Imhotep is no more, he has ceased to be, he is a ex-Goau'ld :rolly2:

Did anyone else notice the credits at the begining, Story by Christopher Judge and Teleplay by Peter DeLuise. Good to see they take the actors idea seriously (providing they are good ones of course)

Dave · 17th January 2002, 11:51 AM

Jack was concerned that rather than being free from the Goa'uld, by following G'Tanno so blindly, they were replacing allegiance to a system Lord, with allegiance to a Jaffa. I thought that that was an interesting concept that was lost when he turned out to be a Goa'uld anyway.

The Jaffa didn't think much of he Tauri offer of rifles, prefering 'real' weapons instead -- Staff weapons and Zetnickles. They then had a fight to the death using 'giant wooden spoons' -- strange these real weapons they use

skydiver · 17th January 2002, 06:22 PM

this one rankled me a bit...i just have a hard time seeing teal'c follow g'tanno so blindly. charisma or not...he jsut falls for his line?

i've always seen teal'c as rather wise or at least world-wise...and he just eats up g'tanno's spiel and the whole 'jaffa savior' bit. i was like jack...something's wrong. fifteen minutes in and i knew that something was up.

IMHO...it would have been more powerful for g'tanno not to be a goauld...simply wrong.

i did love teh look into the jaffa...and the weapons bit was...cute.

sam the marksman...part of me wished it'd have been someone else but...well to make a point it had to be the woman who used them. one way to show the male-dominated jaffa that earth weapons could be used by anyone.

and i have a big question about yu...why did he let teal'c go? what are his motives? in reality i'd think he'd be ticked off as all get out that the tau'ri got him stabbed and ruined his standing in the system lords....like is YU a tok'ra in disguese or what?
he's seeming to be more than your run of the miss greasy @$$ed goauld. i can see him either as a potential ally...or one hell of an antagonist

Anni · 17th January 2002, 06:43 PM

I agree that they shouldn't have made him goa'uld. I think they should have made him a compromised Jaffa..... it would have made more sense. I was also a little stunned at the speed at which Teal'c rejected SG1 and wanted to stick his nose up this new Jaffa leaders bum as far as it would go. I think the writers were trying to aim for the 'charisma' angle. But personally....when he suddenly marched out in the middle of a firefight and spoke to the enemy Jaffa... and they just folded like a pack of card I knew then that he was a Goa'uld. Those Jaffa deliberately aimed around him like it was pre-arranged.

I also wondered about Yu. He was the one dissenter to Anubis joining the System Lords.... but then he is probably the only one of the Goa'uld Old Guard left.

I got the feeling that he didn't agree with many of the things being done. I agree that he's either a bad enemy or potential ally. But I also think that if he became an ally, there would be quite a high price for his allegiance. But him letting Teal'c go was one of the things which puzzled me and they kinda hazed over the events between Teal'c and the Jaffa leaving for Yu's world and Teal'c being dragged before Yu and getting released.

I wonder if the writers are trying to jam so much into an episode that some things are being lost in the mix.

skydiver · 17th January 2002, 07:36 PM

i know i might have missed some nuances...2 inch screens miss a lot.

this was definitely an interesting eps...it just raises a lot of questions.

lene morissette · 17th January 2002, 07:51 PM

Yo people what has happened to the continuity in season 5 in sky 1?!?

spoiler:

First Lt. Elliot was left 4 dead, nxt minute Teal'c was fightin' 4 'Jaffa Kind' and he beat up the goa'uld and then Danny was tellin' Jack he was a 'Stupid son-of-a-B***h' 4 killing that replicator-building robot!!!!! Can't they finish off a story before going onto the nxt one or r sky showing them in the wrong order or sumthing?!?

Anni · 17th January 2002, 08:39 PM

The thread was created to discuss the episode. We're all aware that the US and other places haven't seen it yet. However, in the earlier showings of Season 5 when the UK and other places had not seen any of the episodes, this did not stop people who had from discussing them in detail.... or from discussing episodes from other seasons in detail.

There isn't one rule for one side of the pond and another for the other side.

There is no point in making a particular thread for an episode, if all we do is pussyfoot around until every single person on this forum has seen every single episode. I see no point in this, you are all adults.....or at least I hope you are..... and if you come to this thread then you are going to read things which apertain to that episode. If you don't want to know then don't read further.

If being pedantic is the wish, then everyone please post the word SPOILERS in the subject line before they post, then whoever comes to the thread should know.

imported_Aphrodite · 17th January 2002, 09:26 PM

..This ep was ok...but I prefered Anubis in "The Mummy" movies..

jayembee100 · 17th January 2002, 10:31 PM

I thought this was an OK episode, but it seemed way too obvious that he was up to no good and had ulterior motives. OK, so I didn't realise that he was really Imhotep, but apart from Teal'c, no-one else had much to do.

J

crazypetealive · 17th January 2002, 11:11 PM

anyone know where I can download it yet cause video & stream hasen't added it yet? I hate being in the usa and being last to see these damn episodes hehe anyways any help would be apprecited

jsc · 19th January 2002, 09:32 AM

I got wary of G'Tano after Master Bra'Tac's valid point about ballance in fighting was shrugged off so casually. While I think that both T-Man and especially our wary Bra'tac should have investigated deeper, they both got really caught up in their dream of freedom... sometimes when that happens you don't think and just blindly follow until.... catching at straws in the wind (especially after the events of Serpent's Venom) to achieve a long hoped for dream or passion.... It just made them, to me, more vulnerable (I keep thinking of all the Enron people that got fooled... to say nothing of so many of us who get fooled about other things... mates, potential mates, religions, charities and et cetera) and human (inspite of denial of heritage from the Jaffa side) I believe both T and Bra'tac will think twice about following someone but they come from a culture where blind obedience was the rule... and that makes one a rebel and/or a non-thinker... and believe me these are not mutually exclusive categories....

Krystal · 14th April 2002, 06:33 PM

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Originally posted by jsc
While I think that both T-Man and especially our wary Bra'tac should have investigated deeper, they both got really caught up in their dream of freedom... sometimes when that happens you don't think and just blindly follow until....

Totally agree there, I find it strange that Teal'c and Bra'tac were so easily won by
G'Tanno at first. But then think that they were obviously blind because they wanted so much to see their dream, Jaffa's free of Goauld come true. It was a very interesting episode, also enjoy the sort of confrontation between Jack and G'Tanno for Teal'c . I find strange that Bra'tac was so easily won because anyway he have more experience that Teal'c with Goaulds.

Krystal

Jobeth · 15th April 2002, 02:02 AM

I really enjoyed this episode. Teal'c has been woefully underused for the last two seasons. It's good to see him get his moment in the spotlight.

This is the first episode all season that felt like a Stargate episode. Far too many episodes have had a 'generic sci-fi' feel to them.

As a bonus, for once, they DIDN'T kill off the System Lord. I was getting really tired of the 'let's go up against an alien who possesses technology that makes us look like caveman, and armed only with some C4, take him out in 10 minutes with no casualties' plotlines.

Anni · 15th April 2002, 08:05 AM

Thanks Jobeth...once again you make me feel that I am not going totally crazy. I thought it was great that they made a complete Teal'c centred eppy....and I thought that they explored the hopes and enthusiasms of the Jaffa culture admirably. It was, as you said, a real Stargate episode, and the fact that they didn't kill of Yu just made this one complete. I am still P***ed off that they killed off Cronus.

17th January 2002, 10:31 PM	#40 (permalink)
jayembee100 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Devon Posts: 25	The Warrior I thought this was an OK episode, but it seemed way too obvious that he was up to no good and had ulterior motives. OK, so I didn't realise that he was really Imhotep, but apart from Teal'c, no-one else had much to do. J

17th January 2002, 11:11 PM	#41 (permalink)
crazypetealive Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 34	lepisode anyone know where I can download it yet cause video & stream hasen't added it yet? I hate being in the usa and being last to see these damn episodes hehe anyways any help would be apprecited

17th January 2002, 08:29 AM	#32 (permalink)
Brit Chick Ooh look - shiny things ! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: London Posts: 277	I liked this one too, we got a bit of insight into the Jaffa thing. The only thing was I just kind of had the feeling pretty early on that all was not as it should be with this other Jaffa leader (damn it was only last night I already I can't remember his name !) BUT, although I was wondering what the set up could be I had no idea it would that he was a Goau'ld - that was the shocker for me. Anyway, Imhotep is no more, he has ceased to be, he is a ex-Goau'ld :rolly2: Did anyone else notice the credits at the begining, Story by Christopher Judge and Teleplay by Peter DeLuise. Good to see they take the actors idea seriously (providing they are good ones of course)

17th January 2002, 11:51 AM	#33 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,532	Jack was concerned that rather than being free from the Goa'uld, by following G'Tanno so blindly, they were replacing allegiance to a system Lord, with allegiance to a Jaffa. I thought that that was an interesting concept that was lost when he turned out to be a Goa'uld anyway. The Jaffa didn't think much of he Tauri offer of rifles, prefering 'real' weapons instead -- Staff weapons and Zetnickles. They then had a fight to the death using 'giant wooden spoons' -- strange these real weapons they use

17th January 2002, 06:22 PM	#34 (permalink)
skydiver Trivia Goddess Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: topeka, ks, usa- 7 1/2 hours due east of Cheyenne Mountain Posts: 2,856	this one rankled me a bit...i just have a hard time seeing teal'c follow g'tanno so blindly. charisma or not...he jsut falls for his line? i've always seen teal'c as rather wise or at least world-wise...and he just eats up g'tanno's spiel and the whole 'jaffa savior' bit. i was like jack...something's wrong. fifteen minutes in and i knew that something was up. IMHO...it would have been more powerful for g'tanno not to be a goauld...simply wrong. i did love teh look into the jaffa...and the weapons bit was...cute. sam the marksman...part of me wished it'd have been someone else but...well to make a point it had to be the woman who used them. one way to show the male-dominated jaffa that earth weapons could be used by anyone. and i have a big question about yu...why did he let teal'c go? what are his motives? in reality i'd think he'd be ticked off as all get out that the tau'ri got him stabbed and ruined his standing in the system lords....like is YU a tok'ra in disguese or what? he's seeming to be more than your run of the miss greasy @$$ed goauld. i can see him either as a potential ally...or one hell of an antagonist

17th January 2002, 06:43 PM	#35 (permalink)
Anni Chronos' Love Slave Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Third star on the left and straight on till morning! Posts: 1,371	I agree that they shouldn't have made him goa'uld. I think they should have made him a compromised Jaffa..... it would have made more sense. I was also a little stunned at the speed at which Teal'c rejected SG1 and wanted to stick his nose up this new Jaffa leaders bum as far as it would go. I think the writers were trying to aim for the 'charisma' angle. But personally....when he suddenly marched out in the middle of a firefight and spoke to the enemy Jaffa... and they just folded like a pack of card I knew then that he was a Goa'uld. Those Jaffa deliberately aimed around him like it was pre-arranged. I also wondered about Yu. He was the one dissenter to Anubis joining the System Lords.... but then he is probably the only one of the Goa'uld Old Guard left. I got the feeling that he didn't agree with many of the things being done. I agree that he's either a bad enemy or potential ally. But I also think that if he became an ally, there would be quite a high price for his allegiance. But him letting Teal'c go was one of the things which puzzled me and they kinda hazed over the events between Teal'c and the Jaffa leaving for Yu's world and Teal'c being dragged before Yu and getting released. I wonder if the writers are trying to jam so much into an episode that some things are being lost in the mix.

17th January 2002, 07:36 PM	#36 (permalink)
skydiver Trivia Goddess Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: topeka, ks, usa- 7 1/2 hours due east of Cheyenne Mountain Posts: 2,856	i know i might have missed some nuances...2 inch screens miss a lot. this was definitely an interesting eps...it just raises a lot of questions.

17th January 2002, 07:51 PM	#37 (permalink)
lene morissette I'm BACK!!!! Yay! Hiya! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: I live in Manchester, England Posts: 309	Yo people what has happened to the continuity in season 5 in sky 1?!? spoiler: First Lt. Elliot was left 4 dead, nxt minute Teal'c was fightin' 4 'Jaffa Kind' and he beat up the goa'uld and then Danny was tellin' Jack he was a 'Stupid son-of-a-B***h' 4 killing that replicator-building robot!!!!! Can't they finish off a story before going onto the nxt one or r sky showing them in the wrong order or sumthing?!?

17th January 2002, 08:39 PM	#38 (permalink)
Anni Chronos' Love Slave Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Third star on the left and straight on till morning! Posts: 1,371	The thread was created to discuss the episode. We're all aware that the US and other places haven't seen it yet. However, in the earlier showings of Season 5 when the UK and other places had not seen any of the episodes, this did not stop people who had from discussing them in detail.... or from discussing episodes from other seasons in detail. There isn't one rule for one side of the pond and another for the other side. There is no point in making a particular thread for an episode, if all we do is pussyfoot around until every single person on this forum has seen every single episode. I see no point in this, you are all adults.....or at least I hope you are..... and if you come to this thread then you are going to read things which apertain to that episode. If you don't want to know then don't read further. If being pedantic is the wish, then everyone please post the word SPOILERS in the subject line before they post, then whoever comes to the thread should know.

17th January 2002, 09:26 PM	#39 (permalink)
imported_Aphrodite Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Mount Olympus Posts: 259	..This ep was ok...but I prefered Anubis in "The Mummy" movies..

19th January 2002, 09:32 AM	#42 (permalink)
jsc God Like Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California,U.S.A. Posts: 4,353	I got wary of G'Tano after Master Bra'Tac's valid point about ballance in fighting was shrugged off so casually. While I think that both T-Man and especially our wary Bra'tac should have investigated deeper, they both got really caught up in their dream of freedom... sometimes when that happens you don't think and just blindly follow until.... catching at straws in the wind (especially after the events of Serpent's Venom) to achieve a long hoped for dream or passion.... It just made them, to me, more vulnerable (I keep thinking of all the Enron people that got fooled... to say nothing of so many of us who get fooled about other things... mates, potential mates, religions, charities and et cetera) and human (inspite of denial of heritage from the Jaffa side) I believe both T and Bra'tac will think twice about following someone but they come from a culture where blind obedience was the rule... and that makes one a rebel and/or a non-thinker... and believe me these are not mutually exclusive categories....

15th April 2002, 02:02 AM	#44 (permalink)
Jobeth Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Charm City Posts: 236	I really enjoyed this episode. Teal'c has been woefully underused for the last two seasons. It's good to see him get his moment in the spotlight. This is the first episode all season that felt like a Stargate episode. Far too many episodes have had a 'generic sci-fi' feel to them. As a bonus, for once, they DIDN'T kill off the System Lord. I was getting really tired of the 'let's go up against an alien who possesses technology that makes us look like caveman, and armed only with some C4, take him out in 10 minutes with no casualties' plotlines.

15th April 2002, 08:05 AM	#45 (permalink)
Anni Chronos' Love Slave Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Third star on the left and straight on till morning! Posts: 1,371	Thanks Jobeth...once again you make me feel that I am not going totally crazy. I thought it was great that they made a complete Teal'c centred eppy....and I thought that they explored the hopes and enthusiasms of the Jaffa culture admirably. It was, as you said, a real Stargate episode, and the fact that they didn't kill of Yu just made this one complete. I am still P***ed off that they killed off Cronus.