5.13: Proving Ground

[Anni]

Dave ....now worries me dear, life is too short to be cross with people!!!

Bravery...... or just a large fee? Hmmmm...... Seems to me it took bravery to bloody well get there in the first place given the circumstances, and that was the attendees not the guests. I refuse pointblank to treat the actors and production people as anything other than human beings or attribute them with any kind of extra big haloes just because they attended a convention with us fanatics.

I thought the writers etc weren't so much gracious as rather patronising. But that's just my opinion which is valid of course, but probably not the general opinion. I didn't get a chance to ask them anything at all as I was one of the great unwashed hordes at the back and when I put my hand up the Gatecon staff ignored me and went to someone who wanted to know something really fascinating like whether they wore boxers or briefs <grin>and I may be doing them an injustice because most of the questions asked WERE banal and ridiculous, so they may have felt patronising by the time the Q & A finished.

I've discovered that very few people on any of the forums and lists will say anything even vaguely negative about this show, and I know that a lot of that has to do with the reactions from a certain rather rabid collection of fans who react aggressively when you do.

Not that I am speaking of anyone who has posted on this thread you understand.

BTW Dave..... we never weren't friends me duck...... I might argue and have opinions that don't gel with the general view of things, but the one thing I CAN honestly say for myself is that I'm not afraid to air them and I do it honestly and upfront......what I say, is what I mean....what you see is what you get. But I NEVER hold grudges or let the sun go down on an argument of any kind.

Of course I like Stargate, I wouldn't watch it otherwise. But I don't like the four principal characters at all. I think they are entirely unlikeable and their personalities jar with me for some reason. If I was to feel comfortable with any of the characters, then Dr Frasier, General Hammond, Jacob and Major Davies are the ones I feel okay about. The others just really grip me in the unmentionables, every time I see them I just want to grab them and put them in a real military situation preferably with live ammunition. They really irritate me. And yet, during the very first few episodes, I didn't mind them at all. Wasn't desperately enthusiastic, but found them tolerable. The hysterical ramblings and hero worship of many of the fans has only served to increase my irritation. It's almost as though they've attained sainthood...every word hung on.....every action minutely examined and pondered over and talked about, again and again..................and again.............and again..........

Is it any wonder that the actual episode and the concept itself gets lost in the morass?

I just want a nice balance....... is it too much to ask do you think?

<sigh>

[skydiver]

i know i tried to come up with some good questions....i just never could think of any. i mean i think you do reach a point in the fandom when you know they don't read fanfic(or really aren't supposed to), you've heard the behind the scnes for this episode or why that episode was shot that way....and there just isn't a lot left to ask that doesn't stray into personal areas.

at least noone seemed to stray into the 'will youhave kids' and the such like they did in 2000. it can be hard to balance a desire to know something with the propreity NOT to ask prying questions.

after seeing how some of the actors stuggled up on the stage i hope theypair them up next year. awkward silences aren't so bad if tehy have another person or two to play off of

[entity]

i was just curius but does ne1 else think theres something going on between carter and elliot cos he always looks at her with a smile and like he likes her or maybe it's just respect but i think he fancies her. and carter doesn't realize this though or maybe she does i'm not sure. but if u've seen the summit

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i hope that woz enough notice but when elliots lying on the floor (with lantesh in him) carter caresses his face now i don't know whether it's just me but she normally wouldn't do that.


please repley

this is the first time i've done this hope it's ok

[Anni]

You did fine...... and since Summit was the eppy after this one on Sky One, it didn't hurt to put the spoiler warning in, just in case someone may have not wanted a hint of what might happen in Summit.

I noticed that too by the way, but I thought it was more an affectionate thing, possibly because of Elliott's age than anything else!

[skydiver]

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i interpreted sam's gesture as leaning towards lantash who is now in elliot (does this kid have a first name???) and also, if there' s anyone in the universe that knows how it feels to get blended against your will, it's her.

at first i think her reaching out to elliot is sort of a 'i know what i'ts like to be the new kid on the block' sort of empathy. i mean jack and mansfield were....so wonderfully gruff

then you get her trapped in a room with two dead people and a kid who ends up with lantash in him....she is SO not having a good day. he's scared, so is she i'll betcha (if she's sane she's scared) and they're the only two (or three) alive folks around.

[Jobeth]

I find it hard to believe that the same government that killed a reporter for coming close to the truth would let a bunch of kids run around the SGC.

It's obviously an attempt to attract a teen audience by introducing young characters. Why do they even have an Air Force Consultant on staff at all?

[sarahksg1]

hehehe, i liked this ep!!!
there was that kool convo between sam and jack about wat jack thaught of all the new recruits...lol...i loved it when sam goes
sam "wat about haley?"
jack "Shes a 4 foot 9 fighting machine!"
*sam laughs*
sam "colonel!"
hehehe!!

[skydiver]

i liked teh casual conversation between the two of them. and it makes sense to me to have them both working the new kids....being the only two air force officers both of them would know attitudes and reactions that the kids would need.

i also noticed though, that when jack got too obstinate sam just got up and walked off.

[Hungry]

ummm, if u guys r talking about wot is realistic, etc........

remember, in real life, we wouldn't have col.'s (like O'neil), their top stargate expert (Sam and Daniel) and (bad way to put it really ...but) and an alien (Teal'c) on their "flagship" first contact team - there's no way realistically, the USAF would risk their top ppl going into the unknown .................. just as they wouldn't put raw officers into the SGC and just as they wouldn't close down the SGC for a training run ....................

just my 2c worth ..........

[skydiver]

oh yeah. in the 'real' world a colonel wouldn't be doing what jack does, a woman definitely would not be on afirst contact team, neither would a civilian...too risky.
and teal'c would be in a test tube right about now.

but, it's tv so we can ignore reality <G>

[maconeill2001]

I loved it!

I admit though, that the fact that we are made to think that Jack is hurt for some time has the dentency to make it higher maked by myself!!!!I can't help it! I just like it when he'S in pain ( or pretending to be...) And that'S not because I hate him............................................... ...... :rolly2:

otherwise, the story wasn't that bad. sure it wasn't the best plot ever but I won't it original... And too bad cadet Haley isn't really death! Man that was SO close!

[Krystal]

I enjoy this episode a lot, it was fun to watch. Also love the character of Elliot and Jack's responses or attitude to him. I always suspect when I see it that the part of the "supposedly real situation" was only a different kind of test for them. I think I doesn't buy it. Also enjoy when Carter try to make Jack see Elliot in a different way and after all his answers she just leave. :lol: Anyway it was a very good one. Love it!

Krystal

[hyacintheve]

Then again, I've been jonesin' for some new stories.

I enjoyed seeing the team interact with others based on their experiences. I thought the Colonel showed a lot of honesty, especially regarding his "Leave No Man Behind" creed. I thought O'Neill's call to Daniel during the test was funny, as well as Daniel and Teal'c in Hammond office.

And finally, an honest-to-goodness earthling who thinks Danny's cute!

I'm wondering if any of the new Gate-lings are going to be in the spin-off series. If so, please give Haley another attitude. At least get rid of the teacher's pet image.

[sarahksg1]

lol i LOVE the ep, its funny.......lol ok im beggining to hate haley, lol, but elliot and grogan rock!!!!!!!!!:rolly2:

[sarahksg1]

lol, oh and i love the thing between centerfield (spelling???) and danny, i thought that was funny, lmao