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ray gower · 7th December 2003, 12:42 AM

In the court scene, Kirk is defended by a Colonel Worf.

Would this be a relation to our Worf?

Dave · 7th December 2003, 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by ray gower
In the court scene, Kirk is defended by a Colonel Worf.

Would this be a relation to our Worf?

IIRC it was meant to be Worf's great-grandfather. Only later on in TNG we found out that Worf was the son of Mogh, and in DS9 from the House of Mogh. So maybe a small continuity error arises (never!

). Shouldn't that have been the House of Worf?

markpud · 14th December 2003, 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

IIRC it was meant to be Worf's great-grandfather. Only later on in TNG we found out that Worf was the son of Mogh, and in DS9 from the House of Mogh. So maybe a small continuity error arises (never! ). Shouldn't that have been the House of Worf?

I don't know if that's necessarily a goof though. Is there anything in canon that says who a Klingon house is named after? The house of Worf (senior) could have been renamed at some point to the house of Mogh, and may well be renamed back to the house of Worf in honour of Worf (junior).

Dave · 15th December 2003, 01:21 AM

Gowron abolished his House, so the problem no longer arises. He was adopted by the House of Martok.

Still, it does show that these Houses are a very fluid kind of thing, so maybe you are correct, and they frequently change names.

markpud · 17th December 2003, 02:23 PM

Yeah I forgot about the abolishment of the house of Worf/Mogh, whoops!! Perhaps Martok will allow Worf to have his own family back at some point, as a reward for loyal service, etc. Maybe now he won't be nipping off to join Picard for any more movies

ray gower · 17th December 2003, 09:11 PM

The 'House of' thingy would be a lot like Scottish clans wouldn't they?
As such a clan can carry a lot of sub-clans and branches, like the Clan Ferguson includes Ferries, MacFergus etc.

So that allows Worf to remain Son of Mogh of the House of Mogh, whilst Mogh's father was Son of Worf, House of Mogh.

Assuming IIRC is correct and Colonel Worf was related to Worf at all!
Comes to that Colonel seems an unusual rank for Klingons, I've never heard it used before or since!

markpud · 7th January 2004, 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by ray gower

Comes to that Colonel seems an unusual rank for Klingons, I've never heard it used before or since!

It's only for Klingon lawyers

MightyCaptain · 25th June 2005, 02:14 AM

I am new here but just want to say this is my favorite Trek film.

7th December 2003, 12:42 AM	#16 (permalink)
ray gower Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Gwynedd Posts: 3,579	In the court scene, Kirk is defended by a Colonel Worf. Would this be a relation to our Worf?

15th December 2003, 01:21 AM	#19 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,422	Gowron abolished his House, so the problem no longer arises. He was adopted by the House of Martok. Still, it does show that these Houses are a very fluid kind of thing, so maybe you are correct, and they frequently change names.

17th December 2003, 02:23 PM	#20 (permalink)
markpud Super-Mod to the gods Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: with Buffy, in Manchester, England... Posts: 4,732	Yeah I forgot about the abolishment of the house of Worf/Mogh, whoops!! Perhaps Martok will allow Worf to have his own family back at some point, as a reward for loyal service, etc. Maybe now he won't be nipping off to join Picard for any more movies

17th December 2003, 09:11 PM	#21 (permalink)
ray gower Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Gwynedd Posts: 3,579	The 'House of' thingy would be a lot like Scottish clans wouldn't they? As such a clan can carry a lot of sub-clans and branches, like the Clan Ferguson includes Ferries, MacFergus etc. So that allows Worf to remain Son of Mogh of the House of Mogh, whilst Mogh's father was Son of Worf, House of Mogh. Assuming IIRC is correct and Colonel Worf was related to Worf at all! Comes to that Colonel seems an unusual rank for Klingons, I've never heard it used before or since!

25th June 2005, 02:14 AM	#23 (permalink)
MightyCaptain Science fiction fantasy Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 9	I am new here but just want to say this is my favorite Trek film.