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bummer · 22nd December 2001, 02:17 PM

Spoilers and all that....

I just watched IOTH for the second time, and the one thing that really stands out to me is, "Damn that blind woman!!!!!" <snicker>

The second, 'what's up with that hair?'

It did seem to create twice as many questions as it answered; but very nice to see Jarod and MP working on the same side again. I love it he lets her do her own thing; like when they were trying to catch that monk with the scrolls. It may not have been a thing to anybody else, but I was impressed that he didn't take her gun and make her carry a lantern or something

. It just struck me that he knows she can hold her own without him protecting her. I'm probably reading more into that scene than was planned, but oh well. And I guess Jarod is above such action-movie type machoisms, right?

I have to agree wholeheartedly about the missed mom once again...that's just plain cruel!! At least let them hug or something! Enough is enough!!! Grrrrrr......

Did anybody else wonder why Major Charles wasn't in the thick of this one? And where was MP's brother, the one that was in 2000--I can't remember his name at the moment--why wasn't he around in this one?

And just where on earth is Sam the Sweeper, wasn't his name Sam? He was a recurring character for soooo long, and now he's gone. Was he bumped off when I wasn't looking? I missed the one where Brigitte had the baby...so anything could have happened in between.

Highlander II · 23rd December 2001, 01:19 AM

Spoilers ----> (but that's a given)

okay - Ethan - that's the other brother - he's MP and Jarod's half-brother - i think he was sent away to work w/ someone - either that or he left on his own -- i have a hard time watching tP:2001, so i don't remember --

Jarod missing his mom - AGAIN - i have half a mind to scribble a note to Craig and Steve and tell them - ENOUGH ALREADY! it was <gasp> the first time, and sad and the 2nd time - 'oh no!' - but now, it's gotten to - 'oh geez, here we go again' -- it's just not the 'climax' point it used to be --- 4 years -- 4 freakin' years! and he's missed her EVERY single time -- what gives?? he found his dad, he found his sister, and the half-brother he didn't even know he had, and the clone (mini-twin sort of), why does he have to keep missing Mom?? that's just creeped into the point of ridiculous --- i thought his ultimate goals were to 1) stop the Centre and 2) reunite his family -- meaning that the WHOLE family is together in one place and stays that way -- if this is the case, why can't he just meet w/ his mother? if they then have to split again - that's better than him missing her AGAIN! ack!

<end disseratation about Jarod not getting to meet mom>

Sam the Sweeper --- ya got me on that one -- i don't know what happened to him -- i think he was in tP:2001, but i'm not 100% sure on that - he's not dead, if that's what you wanted to know - he's still around - but Sam Ayers (the actor who plays Sam) may have been busy when they were shootin this one, and - there really wasn't much of MP at the Centre -- and Sam works for MP -
however, Willie (the other well-known sweeper) was also strangely absent --- (Willie is Raines' sweeper) --

okay - thus endeth another of my lengthy Pretender commentaries ------

tokyogirl · 6th February 2002, 06:48 PM

ok, i know i'm a little late in posting here, but who cares. i just watched it for the 3rd time, and one thing bugs me each time. when jarod's mother is leaving the island, she says 'God, please forgive me' forgive her for what? leaving miss parker on the island? cause she didn't actually see jarod. but i don't think that's it. i think there's more to it than that. anyone else have any thoughts?

Lonewolf89 · 6th February 2002, 06:52 PM

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Originally posted by tokyogirl
ok, i know i'm a little late in posting here, but who cares. i just watched it for the 3rd time, and one thing bugs me each time. when jarod's mother is leaving the island, she says 'God, please forgive me' forgive her for what? leaving miss parker on the island? cause she didn't actually see jarod. but i don't think that's it. i think there's more to it than that. anyone else have any thoughts?

Never thought about it that way. That would be an interesting twist.

Highlander II · 6th February 2002, 07:48 PM

well - when i first saw it - i was thinking that maybe she was sorry for leaving the island in general, under the impression that Jarod had made it there --

but - i'm gonna have to go back and watch it again -- see if i can pick up something else ---

tokyogirl · 7th February 2002, 12:02 AM

see i don't know. i mean, how much do we actually know about jarod's mother anyways? not a whole lot. we know she wants to find jarod, and she apparently knew mrs.p, but how much else do we know?

Lonewolf89 · 7th February 2002, 12:19 AM

I wonder how she met Mrs. Parker.

tokyogirl · 7th February 2002, 01:12 AM

well, whoever finds that answer wins! and lives!

Highlander II · 7th February 2002, 01:14 AM

well - we know that Catherine was trying to get Jarod out of the Centre -

and there is that pic of the two of them pregnant -- perhaps they both had gone to NuGenesis - which, in and of itself, opens up a whole NEW can of worms --- leading us to wonder who MP's real parents are, as well as Jarod's - and is Mr. Lyle actually MP's brother, and then, does Jarod have another brother or sister out there somewhere who happens to be his twin?

tokyogirl · 7th February 2002, 05:18 AM

lyle would have to be miss parker's brother, jarod's the one that did the DNA test. i mean, if it was some one at the centre than there would be reason to question it, but since jarod did it i think the results are pretty safe.

Highlander II · 7th February 2002, 04:15 PM

no he didn't - Jarod didn't do the DNA test - Miss Parker gave it to Broots to have him have someone run it -- Jarod never ran any tests - he just looked at the files and said he'd narrowed the list down to either Angelo or Lyle as MPs brother --

and since i'm positive Broots has no idea how to run DNA analysis, anything could have happened to the sample MP got from Lyle - including, but not limited to, Lyle switching the sample of blood - *knowing* MP was gonna run that test - Lyle's not as stupid, or as out of the loop as he sometimes looks or seems - he's got a good bead on things and knows what's going on --

trust me - there are ways around that blood test MP had run and anyone could still be MPs twin - (except Jarod -b/c he was very sure about that) -- so, it would either be Angelo or Lyle - but it's possible --

remember - this show isn't 'cut and dry' - not like Buffy where if Joss writes something it's nearly gospel as far as canon goes - The Pretender is founded on mystery and intrigue - nothing is simple -- it's meant to keep you guessing ------ so even blood tests can be red herrings ---

tokyogirl · 7th February 2002, 06:23 PM

correct me if i'm wrong, but lyle didn't know before the tests that he could be parker's brother. and maybe he isn't her brother, but i think we probably would have found that out by now. they have enough to tackle with the movies without adding more stuff. i mean, i think they've added enough problems with the series and the last 2 movies without adding more. but hey, i could be wrong. before the first movie i never would have guessed that raines was their father so....

Highlander II · 7th February 2002, 08:56 PM

well - from what we could see - Lyle didn't know he might be MPs brother --

however, that doesn't mean that he didn't have some idea -

or wasn't trying to throw MP off whatever trail she was following -

and yeah - there are all kinds of new questions w/ the 2 movies - and i wonder if Steve and Craig will ever answer enough of them to satisfy the fans ------

ZachWZ · 20th February 2002, 02:58 AM

So highjlander 2 you think angelo might be MP's real bro. That was what I thoght. It also that what MP was hoping for. though i think she would hope for anyone else but a murderous pycho.

I think it is Lyle. Mr. P knew the results of the DNA test before MP revealed them. He was the resources and the persurverence to get the right result.

Also, it was hinted in an early 2nd season ep. that Mr P was not her father. The suspect I beleive they gave was Ma Parker's summer estate caretaker.

ZachWZ

tokyogirl · 20th February 2002, 10:52 PM

you kinda had to know that raines was her father. at the end of the first movie when they suggested that mr. p might not be it, you immediately start looking at who else it could be. the only other adult males that they've really had on the show are sydney, major charles, and mr. raines (well, adult males old enough to be her father). sydney would make things too easy. Major charles would team her up with jarod to easily. they can't have them just suddenly together, it wouldn't be believable. the one that's the most interesting and causes the most conflict is raines.

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22nd December 2001, 02:17 PM	#31 (permalink)
bummer Bruce Campbell love slave Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Little Rock, AR Posts: 356	Spoilers and all that.... I just watched IOTH for the second time, and the one thing that really stands out to me is, "Damn that blind woman!!!!!" <snicker> The second, 'what's up with that hair?' It did seem to create twice as many questions as it answered; but very nice to see Jarod and MP working on the same side again. I love it he lets her do her own thing; like when they were trying to catch that monk with the scrolls. It may not have been a thing to anybody else, but I was impressed that he didn't take her gun and make her carry a lantern or something . It just struck me that he knows she can hold her own without him protecting her. I'm probably reading more into that scene than was planned, but oh well. And I guess Jarod is above such action-movie type machoisms, right? I have to agree wholeheartedly about the missed mom once again...that's just plain cruel!! At least let them hug or something! Enough is enough!!! Grrrrrr...... Did anybody else wonder why Major Charles wasn't in the thick of this one? And where was MP's brother, the one that was in 2000--I can't remember his name at the moment--why wasn't he around in this one? And just where on earth is Sam the Sweeper, wasn't his name Sam? He was a recurring character for soooo long, and now he's gone. Was he bumped off when I wasn't looking? I missed the one where Brigitte had the baby...so anything could have happened in between.

23rd December 2001, 01:19 AM	#32 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 9,616	Spoilers ----> (but that's a given) okay - Ethan - that's the other brother - he's MP and Jarod's half-brother - i think he was sent away to work w/ someone - either that or he left on his own -- i have a hard time watching tP:2001, so i don't remember -- Jarod missing his mom - AGAIN - i have half a mind to scribble a note to Craig and Steve and tell them - ENOUGH ALREADY! it was <gasp> the first time, and sad and the 2nd time - 'oh no!' - but now, it's gotten to - 'oh geez, here we go again' -- it's just not the 'climax' point it used to be --- 4 years -- 4 freakin' years! and he's missed her EVERY single time -- what gives?? he found his dad, he found his sister, and the half-brother he didn't even know he had, and the clone (mini-twin sort of), why does he have to keep missing Mom?? that's just creeped into the point of ridiculous --- i thought his ultimate goals were to 1) stop the Centre and 2) reunite his family -- meaning that the WHOLE family is together in one place and stays that way -- if this is the case, why can't he just meet w/ his mother? if they then have to split again - that's better than him missing her AGAIN! ack! <end disseratation about Jarod not getting to meet mom> Sam the Sweeper --- ya got me on that one -- i don't know what happened to him -- i think he was in tP:2001, but i'm not 100% sure on that - he's not dead, if that's what you wanted to know - he's still around - but Sam Ayers (the actor who plays Sam) may have been busy when they were shootin this one, and - there really wasn't much of MP at the Centre -- and Sam works for MP - however, Willie (the other well-known sweeper) was also strangely absent --- (Willie is Raines' sweeper) -- okay - thus endeth another of my lengthy Pretender commentaries ------

6th February 2002, 06:48 PM	#33 (permalink)
tokyogirl krycek's love slave Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: TEXAS!!! Posts: 2,066	ok, i know i'm a little late in posting here, but who cares. i just watched it for the 3rd time, and one thing bugs me each time. when jarod's mother is leaving the island, she says 'God, please forgive me' forgive her for what? leaving miss parker on the island? cause she didn't actually see jarod. but i don't think that's it. i think there's more to it than that. anyone else have any thoughts?

6th February 2002, 07:48 PM	#35 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 9,616	well - when i first saw it - i was thinking that maybe she was sorry for leaving the island in general, under the impression that Jarod had made it there -- but - i'm gonna have to go back and watch it again -- see if i can pick up something else ---

7th February 2002, 12:02 AM	#36 (permalink)
tokyogirl krycek's love slave Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: TEXAS!!! Posts: 2,066	see i don't know. i mean, how much do we actually know about jarod's mother anyways? not a whole lot. we know she wants to find jarod, and she apparently knew mrs.p, but how much else do we know?

7th February 2002, 12:19 AM	#37 (permalink)
Lonewolf89 Fear is the mind killer. Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Flatplanet Cafe Posts: 1,605	I wonder how she met Mrs. Parker.

7th February 2002, 01:12 AM	#38 (permalink)
tokyogirl krycek's love slave Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: TEXAS!!! Posts: 2,066	well, whoever finds that answer wins! and lives!

7th February 2002, 01:14 AM	#39 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 9,616	well - we know that Catherine was trying to get Jarod out of the Centre - and there is that pic of the two of them pregnant -- perhaps they both had gone to NuGenesis - which, in and of itself, opens up a whole NEW can of worms --- leading us to wonder who MP's real parents are, as well as Jarod's - and is Mr. Lyle actually MP's brother, and then, does Jarod have another brother or sister out there somewhere who happens to be his twin?

7th February 2002, 05:18 AM	#40 (permalink)
tokyogirl krycek's love slave Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: TEXAS!!! Posts: 2,066	lyle would have to be miss parker's brother, jarod's the one that did the DNA test. i mean, if it was some one at the centre than there would be reason to question it, but since jarod did it i think the results are pretty safe.

7th February 2002, 04:15 PM	#41 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 9,616	no he didn't - Jarod didn't do the DNA test - Miss Parker gave it to Broots to have him have someone run it -- Jarod never ran any tests - he just looked at the files and said he'd narrowed the list down to either Angelo or Lyle as MPs brother -- and since i'm positive Broots has no idea how to run DNA analysis, anything could have happened to the sample MP got from Lyle - including, but not limited to, Lyle switching the sample of blood - knowing MP was gonna run that test - Lyle's not as stupid, or as out of the loop as he sometimes looks or seems - he's got a good bead on things and knows what's going on -- trust me - there are ways around that blood test MP had run and anyone could still be MPs twin - (except Jarod -b/c he was very sure about that) -- so, it would either be Angelo or Lyle - but it's possible -- remember - this show isn't 'cut and dry' - not like Buffy where if Joss writes something it's nearly gospel as far as canon goes - The Pretender is founded on mystery and intrigue - nothing is simple -- it's meant to keep you guessing ------ so even blood tests can be red herrings ---

7th February 2002, 06:23 PM	#42 (permalink)
tokyogirl krycek's love slave Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: TEXAS!!! Posts: 2,066	correct me if i'm wrong, but lyle didn't know before the tests that he could be parker's brother. and maybe he isn't her brother, but i think we probably would have found that out by now. they have enough to tackle with the movies without adding more stuff. i mean, i think they've added enough problems with the series and the last 2 movies without adding more. but hey, i could be wrong. before the first movie i never would have guessed that raines was their father so....

7th February 2002, 08:56 PM	#43 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 9,616	well - from what we could see - Lyle didn't know he might be MPs brother -- however, that doesn't mean that he didn't have some idea - or wasn't trying to throw MP off whatever trail she was following - and yeah - there are all kinds of new questions w/ the 2 movies - and i wonder if Steve and Craig will ever answer enough of them to satisfy the fans ------

20th February 2002, 02:58 AM	#44 (permalink)
ZachWZ Pre 1986 Comics Fan Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Ottawa county MI USA Posts: 590	So highjlander 2 you think angelo might be MP's real bro. That was what I thoght. It also that what MP was hoping for. though i think she would hope for anyone else but a murderous pycho. I think it is Lyle. Mr. P knew the results of the DNA test before MP revealed them. He was the resources and the persurverence to get the right result. Also, it was hinted in an early 2nd season ep. that Mr P was not her father. The suspect I beleive they gave was Ma Parker's summer estate caretaker. ZachWZ

20th February 2002, 10:52 PM	#45 (permalink)
tokyogirl krycek's love slave Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: TEXAS!!! Posts: 2,066	you kinda had to know that raines was her father. at the end of the first movie when they suggested that mr. p might not be it, you immediately start looking at who else it could be. the only other adult males that they've really had on the show are sydney, major charles, and mr. raines (well, adult males old enough to be her father). sydney would make things too easy. Major charles would team her up with jarod to easily. they can't have them just suddenly together, it wouldn't be believable. the one that's the most interesting and causes the most conflict is raines.