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markpud · 19th September 2001, 03:11 PM

The spirit guide told Buffy that love would lead her to her gift and that her gift was death. (OB)

Varna · 27th October 2001, 02:32 PM

Who tells Spike to go up and protect Dawn? Buffy is busy, and robot has been dismembered. So who speaks to Spike? Any ideas anyone?

Annette · 29th October 2001, 03:01 PM

This has to be one of the saddest episodes I have seen. I have to admit I was crying like a baby at the end.

Wasn't it Willow who told Spike to go and protect Dawn?

annette

markpud · 31st October 2001, 01:00 AM

WIllow used magic to telepathically tell Spike to go up to Dawn while she and Tara clear a path thru the minions...

Annette · 31st October 2001, 11:39 AM

Ooh I was half right. Just forgot about the telepathy bit.

annette

markpud · 8th November 2001, 10:21 PM

was anyone else as impressed as I was with the Buffy(s) vs Glory fight scenes. Its not the first time we've seen female on female fighting in the show (Faith and Buffy for instance) but still interesting t owatch all the same. Buffy with the Troll's Hammer bashing Glory whilst swinging round on the tower was good fun, and seeing everything she threw at Glory being brushed off and her coming back for more...

Annette · 9th November 2001, 01:09 PM

I must admit the fight scenes were good. What made me laugh now thinking about it was when Buffy picked up the troll hammer like it was made of feathers yet when Xander tried he couldn't pick it up. Hahahaha!!!!!

annette

markpud · 3rd December 2001, 11:21 PM

yeah that was a good moment, and when Spike tried to warn Buffy that it was too heavy, and then watched her pick it up like a feather!!

Annette · 4th December 2001, 11:44 AM

That was hilarious. Was laughing my head off.

annette

markpud · 4th December 2001, 10:32 PM

indeed!

MythingLink · 16th January 2002, 01:10 PM

Well I got to see this one for the first time last night. Eyes started leaking and didn't stop for bit. I think what got to me the most was Spike crying at the end. I mean everyone else, sure you expected it. Especially after he tells Buffy that he knows she doesn't love him, but she does treat like a man.

Giles doesn't think that he's a hero in his own right? Or just that a hero wouldn't do what he did to Ben in the end?

Cheers,

Annette · 16th January 2002, 01:19 PM

Know what you mean MythingLink.

Was really sad. I have to admit I cried too. :crying:

annette

obcooke · 16th January 2002, 03:17 PM

[MythingLink: Giles doesn't think that he's a hero in his own right? Or just that a hero wouldn't do what he did to Ben in the end?]

Personally, I think it's the second. Giles was using the classic, idealized definition of the word. We all know Buffy as a story of young woman trying to deal with a difficult destiny. Giles was saying that underneath it all, Buffy has the spirit of true hero.

At what point Giles decided that Buffy was a true hero, or had the potential to be one, instead of a difficult, headstrong teenager/young-adult isn't clear, but it's probably why he's stood by her when other Watchers only criticized her and him.

I think that Giles sees himself as more of mercenary for good. As he says earlier, he does the dirty work sometimes necessary to stop evil, but Buffy would rather risk defeat than use Giles' methods.

[MythingLink: Eyes started leaking and didn't stop for bit.]

I can neither confirm or deny that it had the same effect on me...sniff, sniff.

-----

BTW, after the end of last season a lively discussion of Buffy's epitaph ensued. You might find it interesting.

MythingLink · 16th January 2002, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by obcooke
[MythingLink: Giles doesn't think that he's a hero in his own right? Or just that a hero wouldn't do what he did to Ben in the end?]

Personally, I think it's the second. Giles was using the classic, idealized definition of the word.

Okay here's another question. Would Giles think this only because Ben was obviously unable to defend himself? Or would he still think this if he had to kill a Ben who could defend himself just to get to Glory?

I'll go check out that thread.

Cheers,

MythingLink · 16th January 2002, 08:05 PM

I have a question ... well two actually.

1. Were the scrolls Giles talks about at the beginning that outline what is going to happen in the box that Spike and Xander took from Doc?

2. How come no one ever noticed that huge tower being built? Or was Glory supposed to have made enough people nuts that they could get it built in one evening?

Cheers,

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29th October 2001, 03:01 PM	#3 (permalink)
Annette This is Star - my honey!! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: West Midlands Posts: 5,944	This has to be one of the saddest episodes I have seen. I have to admit I was crying like a baby at the end. Wasn't it Willow who told Spike to go and protect Dawn? annette

31st October 2001, 01:00 AM	#4 (permalink)
markpud Super-Mod to the gods Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: with Buffy, in Manchester, England... Posts: 4,732	WIllow used magic to telepathically tell Spike to go up to Dawn while she and Tara clear a path thru the minions...

31st October 2001, 11:39 AM	#5 (permalink)
Annette This is Star - my honey!! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: West Midlands Posts: 5,944	Ooh I was half right. Just forgot about the telepathy bit. annette

8th November 2001, 10:21 PM	#6 (permalink)
markpud Super-Mod to the gods Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: with Buffy, in Manchester, England... Posts: 4,732	was anyone else as impressed as I was with the Buffy(s) vs Glory fight scenes. Its not the first time we've seen female on female fighting in the show (Faith and Buffy for instance) but still interesting t owatch all the same. Buffy with the Troll's Hammer bashing Glory whilst swinging round on the tower was good fun, and seeing everything she threw at Glory being brushed off and her coming back for more...

9th November 2001, 01:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
Annette This is Star - my honey!! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: West Midlands Posts: 5,944	I must admit the fight scenes were good. What made me laugh now thinking about it was when Buffy picked up the troll hammer like it was made of feathers yet when Xander tried he couldn't pick it up. Hahahaha!!!!! annette

3rd December 2001, 11:21 PM	#8 (permalink)
markpud Super-Mod to the gods Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: with Buffy, in Manchester, England... Posts: 4,732	yeah that was a good moment, and when Spike tried to warn Buffy that it was too heavy, and then watched her pick it up like a feather!!

4th December 2001, 11:44 AM	#9 (permalink)
Annette This is Star - my honey!! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: West Midlands Posts: 5,944	That was hilarious. Was laughing my head off. annette

4th December 2001, 10:32 PM	#10 (permalink)
markpud Super-Mod to the gods Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: with Buffy, in Manchester, England... Posts: 4,732	indeed!

16th January 2002, 01:10 PM	#11 (permalink)
MythingLink First Prime of ASciFi Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 1,798	Well I got to see this one for the first time last night. Eyes started leaking and didn't stop for bit. I think what got to me the most was Spike crying at the end. I mean everyone else, sure you expected it. Especially after he tells Buffy that he knows she doesn't love him, but she does treat like a man. Giles doesn't think that he's a hero in his own right? Or just that a hero wouldn't do what he did to Ben in the end? Cheers,

16th January 2002, 01:19 PM	#12 (permalink)
Annette This is Star - my honey!! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: West Midlands Posts: 5,944	Know what you mean MythingLink. Was really sad. I have to admit I cried too. :crying: annette

16th January 2002, 03:17 PM	#13 (permalink)
obcooke OB-Wan Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,357	[MythingLink: Giles doesn't think that he's a hero in his own right? Or just that a hero wouldn't do what he did to Ben in the end?] Personally, I think it's the second. Giles was using the classic, idealized definition of the word. We all know Buffy as a story of young woman trying to deal with a difficult destiny. Giles was saying that underneath it all, Buffy has the spirit of true hero. At what point Giles decided that Buffy was a true hero, or had the potential to be one, instead of a difficult, headstrong teenager/young-adult isn't clear, but it's probably why he's stood by her when other Watchers only criticized her and him. I think that Giles sees himself as more of mercenary for good. As he says earlier, he does the dirty work sometimes necessary to stop evil, but Buffy would rather risk defeat than use Giles' methods. [MythingLink: Eyes started leaking and didn't stop for bit.] I can neither confirm or deny that it had the same effect on me...sniff, sniff. ----- BTW, after the end of last season a lively discussion of Buffy's epitaph ensued. You might find it interesting.

16th January 2002, 08:05 PM	#15 (permalink)
MythingLink First Prime of ASciFi Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 1,798	I have a question ... well two actually. 1. Were the scrolls Giles talks about at the beginning that outline what is going to happen in the box that Spike and Xander took from Doc? 2. How come no one ever noticed that huge tower being built? Or was Glory supposed to have made enough people nuts that they could get it built in one evening? Cheers,