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leprykawn · 21st February 2002, 02:42 PM

I just had a thought - Maybe Anubis is a Goul'd-ed Asgard. This might explain

A) His height

B)His cryptic comment to Thor: "A lot has changed since last we met"

What do u guys think?

Hatshepsut · 21st February 2002, 03:09 PM

In Another Place, I think maybe someone found out the real identity of Anubis...

He's a Ring-wraith...

Makes sense to me

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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skydiver · 21st February 2002, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Raptor

I think we were told in 'The Tok'ra' that a Goa'uld takes on the gender of its host, which is good for those people-like me- who think Anna-Louise Plowman is good looking. A male Goa'uld in a female host would just add a level of ickyness it I just don't need at the moment.
As always, don't take my posts too seriously.
Raptor

that's what marty says...that the snake has no gender...however some symbiotes seem to have apreference. marty seemed shocked when sam said jols had been in a man...that she might have been doing that to hide from the askrak. that symbiotes do seem to have a preference.

and apophis' queen seemed to certainly want to be in a female body

Raptor · 22nd February 2002, 07:09 AM

Quote:

I just had a thought - Maybe Anubis is a Goul'd-ed Asgard.

Can you imagine what it'd be like if his eyes glowed? It'd be like looking at the high-beams of an oncoming truck!

But it'd be great if he reads in bed.

Raptor

Indiana · 24th February 2002, 08:58 PM

Osiris is the type of Villian that I love. However, I know some people don't feel she has the same menace as other Goa'ulds. I remember Titan thought she was more like the kind of person who would ask for another cream bun. She may look like that, but that is not Osiris' nature. Osiris above all is a Goa'uld, it just so happens Osiris took a good looking female host. The greatest Goa'uld was Ra, until he was wacked by Jack.

Ra looked like the kind of person who would ask for a cream bun too, but he had something about him. And I've been saying it for ages. To quote Tom Cruise in Vanilla Sky, "For a moment I thought you were talking about a F**king mask!" The one thing about Stargate I don't like is that they never seem to wear those helmets anymore. I thought this idea would be revisted in Revelations with the introduction of Anubis, but then I thought, nah TPTB won't do this. They'll show Anubis face as they have done with every other Goa'uld. I was really looking out for a Jackal headed man with great stature, however I got a gimp in a nighty.

One of the main things I loved about the feature was the costumes and the helmets that retracted into the collars. Ra's elmet that retracted into his head was even better. That is Stargate. Then TPTB came along and decided that the helmets wouldn't be in the series, a lot. Ever since Joe Mallozzi and Paul Mullie came on board the focus of the show has been geared towards making it cooler, because cool is the way to go. LOL. They never stopped to think that those friggen masks were cool?

Back to the Gimp in the Nighty. I over-exaggerated there, but I do think it would have been better for Anubis to wear a helmet. I believe most of the gods and their Jaffa should wear helmets. If we see a jackal headed dude then we know it's Anubis, if we see a Jaffa in a Hawk Helmet then we must assume his loyalties lie/lied with Her'Ur or possibly Ra. The only reason we know that the gimp in the nighty was Anubis coz we were told this. Stargate appears to be turning into a "try-Hard". Trying desperately hard to be cool and failing. What they need to do is sit down and watch the feature and Season One and see how much off course they've went.

Bar all the dissing I've done about how much off course the show has went, it will still remain my favourite Science-Fiction/Adventure TV show. Because Stargate had an established feature it was able to adopt its style. That Style still remains in a certain degree. However, in some episodes, most notabilly in Season Four it was like they were trying to do what most shows do, have cool spaceships and lots of cheap ass, heavy special effects. In Season Five they slowed down and experimented with a less is more. The Warrior wasn't Special Effects heavy compared to some other episodes. At the end they had a really great effect that was mind blowingly too good for TV. In Menace, the replicators looked more realistic. In 48 Hours the Explosions were as big as any bruckheimer/Bay movie. And the CG Asgard in revelations was just as good as CG Jar Jar Binks, better in my opinion. The Ships in revelations were better than they used to be, but did not look as good as a Specially engineered model with digital enhancements.

I just kinda babbled here about meanderins on Season Five, but, erm...maybe I'll stop.

Indy

Anni · 24th February 2002, 09:38 PM

LOL....... Indy darlin' I don't think you should stop your meanderings at all! Much of what you said echoes how I and many others feel.

You are well used to my diatribes by now. The comments I initially made about Osiris still stand. Having said that, I thought that the actress did bring a certain 'fine madness and insanity' to the role. One which I personally feel is quite appropriate. Osiris, an overtly very masculine god in the body of a nervous highly strung female academic. That is by anyone's estimation, a rather lethal combination. Osiris combines all the worst characteristics of both male and female with a bit of insanity thrown in.

It would certainly make for a rather crazed and despotic ruler, but not necessarily a strong one. Certainly someone with that kind of outlook would prevail at first, but his/her very contemptuous disregard for those around them would eventually be their downfall.

Anubis was disappointing.....or rather the depiction of him was. In my novel (wot I am writing) I have depicted him also as a mysterious cloaked figure, but a tall imposing one rather than the 'gimp in the nightie'!!! In fact, the show's depiction reminded me of ET when they wrap him in the blanket. I immediately thought, 'bloody hell', it's ET. Anubis is ET! And I so very much hope not, but since the show is now clearly catering to the wide eyed viewer with the attention span of the average goldfish, my hopes will be in vain.

The Stargate viewers want enemy monsters who look like typical sci fi monsters and I have a horrible feeling that this is exactly what we will get when they finally and proudly reveal the new Goa'uld enemy.

The kind of reeking menace to which you are alluding, Indy, and to which I subscribe also, which occurred in the feature and the first couple of seasons is not what most viewers want to see. You and I (and many others) don't need to be scared of monsters in closets. What we want is for the show to treat us with respect and to allow that the most horrifically fearful things come in packages which are VERY familiar. Such as a symbiote within our own human form. Something completely familiar and yet horrifically unfamiliar in nature.

The show has not had that sense of mystery and menace for an awfully long time, and I truly believe that they think that the only way to get us to react is to present us with Godzilla complete with fangs and claws, instead of a smooth, oil, deadly cold eyed villain who would both thrill and terrify with his utter disregard for anything or anyone who gets in his way. Ra was such a villain. Terrifying in his very lack of concern for humanity. So was Cronus......and Heru Ur and Hathor. To them humans were just there to be used.....fit only for hosts and slaves. Osiris has a little of it, along with more than a touch of repressed hysterical insanity.

I think it speaks volumes that most of those I listed above were conveniently killed off by SG1.... Osiris will be another who will eventually fall, probably by the hand of Major Carter, who is, without a doubt the biggest whuss of an officer I have ever seen in my entire life.... and Anubis? Well, if it IS ET under the hooded nightie....with a bit of luck Cassandra will give him a 'lift' on the front of her bicycle and they'll disappear off to some other galaxy!

Hatshepsut · 24th February 2002, 10:09 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Indiana
I was really looking out for a Jackal headed man with great stature, however I got a gimp in a nighty.

ROFLMAO :lol: :lol: :lol: Too right!!!

Ever since Joe Mallozzi and Paul Mullie came on board the focus of the show has been geared towards making it cooler, because cool is the way to go. LOL. They never stopped to think that those friggen masks were cool?

'Ear, 'ear!

What they need to do is sit down and watch the feature and Season One and see how much off course they've went.

Couldn't agree more!

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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Indiana · 24th February 2002, 10:21 PM

Quote:

The show has not had that sense of mystery and menace for an awfully long time, and I truly believe that they think that the only way to get us to react is to present us with Godzilla complete with fangs and claws,

I never really noticed this before, but it was ever since Johnathan Glassner left the show that it has took it's game from an average level og 9 to an average level of 7.8 (out of 10 of course). If Anubis does not trun out to be the Elephant man in drag then I'll probably be happy too. That type of stuff is reserved for Andromeda

What a thrilling show it is. The only monster in latex that is original to Stargate is the Unas which bears resemblance to the creature that resided in Ra. The original Unas we saw in Season One was powerful in size and of his voice. That was something I liked. The Unas in S3, voiced by Chris Judhe din't quite have the same presence, but it still wacked a mouthload. The Unas mixed in with a Goa'uld Symbiote is really all the monsters we need.

I often wonder why Johnathan Glassner left the show. Perhaps he saw the Replicators idea evolving and coudn't disuade the writers to not go down to lego Land for their props. Or maybe he was leaving and thought that he would bring the show down a bit by introducing the Lego Monsters. Or maybe he mentioned it to Robert C. Cooper as a Joke? I wasn't really on the net reading up on Stargate at the time when Johnathan Glassner left, so if anyone here knows why he left please let us know.

Indiana · 24th February 2002, 10:26 PM

After a look at Johnathan Glassners credits on IMDB I discovered he left Stargate to work on this:
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0220238

Dave · 24th February 2002, 10:41 PM

So, did Glassner personally make a good move, or not?

I may be wrong, but I don't think it's been picked up in the UK yet, I haven't seen it anyway.

Hatshepsut · 24th February 2002, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Anni
You are well used to my diatribes by now.

In my novel (wot I am writing)

<Hatshepsut pricks up her ears...> Hey, do tell us more , Anni
Is this going to appear in Fan fic.? Hope so

I have depicted him also as a mysterious cloaked figure, but a tall imposing one rather than the 'gimp in the nightie'!!! In fact, the show's depiction reminded me of ET when they wrap him in the blanket. I immediately thought, 'bloody hell', it's ET. Anubis is ET!

Bloody hell, Anni! Do you have to? I nearly choked!

(You may think this is a Good Thing...

)

The Stargate viewers want enemy monsters who look like typical sci fi monsters and I have a horrible feeling that this is exactly what we will get when they finally and proudly reveal the new Goa'uld enemy.

Aargh!

What we want is for the show to treat us with respect and to allow that the most horrifically fearful things come in packages which are VERY familiar. Such as a symbiote within our own human form. Something completely familiar and yet horrifically unfamiliar in nature.

I can go with that... finding that what was once familiar is suddenly turned on its head and what you once depended on is no longer safe.

The show has not had that sense of mystery and menace for an awfully long time

And it doesn't take *that* much, does it?

Osiris will be another who will eventually fall, probably by the hand of Major Carter, who is, without a doubt the biggest whuss of an officer I have ever seen in my entire life.... and Anubis? Well, if it IS ET under the hooded nightie....with a bit of luck Cassandra will give him a 'lift' on the front of her bicycle and they'll disappear off to some other galaxy!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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Wingless Flyer · 24th February 2002, 10:47 PM

Quote:

The show has not had that sense of mystery and menace for an awfully long time

I couldn't agree more, doesn't look like we'll get it back with SG-1, but hopefully with the spin-off, I guess we'll see...

Anni · 25th February 2002, 08:07 PM

Quote:

<Hatshepsut pricks up her ears...> Hey, do tell us more , Anni

Erm....... it's a bit long to post on fanfic Hat.... it is eight parts long, each with 90 pages and growing. Well over 500,000 words. It's also not the conventional fanfic type of story. It's from the point of view of a Goa'uld and the human female he starts a friendship and then a relationship with on earth after he is taken there by the people from the NID. He escapes and she is one of the people who helps him, not knowing of course, of the battles raging outside in the galaxy and of course not really knowing who the heck the Goa'uld actually are. It's also his story, from when he was on earth before Ra and the Goa'uld were ousted and left earth. It does sort of cover the period of time for the actual series and mirrors many of the happenings and issues, including Daniel's 'ascension'.

Although SG1 are definitely not the focal point of the storyline, I have actually explored aspects of their characters which I thought existed. I have tried to make Sam less perfect, warmer and more human.... in fact she falls in love and has a relationship with an entirely unsuitable character in the novel.

I haven't quite incorporated the happenings in Revelations in the novel, just really touched on them in relation to the general story arc. What I do try to do is to create a three dimensional Goa'uld society, viewed from both their POV and my female human character's POV, and a much more three dimensional galaxy. I don't just have SG1 kicking butt in it. In fact they haven't actually kicked any kind of butt, apart from Jack and Sam getting involved along with my Goa'uld hero in rescuing his human lady from Anubis.... which is where my depiction of Anubis comes in.

That's it, more or less in a nutshell. If you want more you will have to read the parts of the novel, but I will have to email them to you.

jsc · 25th February 2002, 10:16 PM

Just make sure to have pleanty of papper for your printer and lots of time to read a good novel.... time goes fast tho... but this is a good long one....laughter, sex, some violence, lots of love and caring, did I mention humor and good ploting and pacing... it is exciting and fun to read!

Raptor · 27th February 2002, 07:31 AM

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Just make sure to have pleanty of papper for your printer

Looks like someone's been reading the Monty Python Papperbok:rolly2: Sorry. Couldn't help myself.
Raptor

21st February 2002, 02:42 PM	#106 (permalink)
leprykawn Lord of the Leprechauns Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 98	Anubis? I just had a thought - Maybe Anubis is a Goul'd-ed Asgard. This might explain A) His height B)His cryptic comment to Thor: "A lot has changed since last we met" What do u guys think?

24th February 2002, 10:41 PM	#115 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,443	Off Topic - sorry Padders! So, did Glassner personally make a good move, or not? I may be wrong, but I don't think it's been picked up in the UK yet, I haven't seen it anyway.

21st February 2002, 03:09 PM	#107 (permalink)
Hatshepsut WELCOME HOME, DR. JACKSON Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waltham, N.E.Lincolnshire, U.K. Posts: 995	In Another Place, I think maybe someone found out the real identity of Anubis... He's a Ring-wraith... Makes sense to me Best wishes, Hatshepsut :wave: --

24th February 2002, 08:58 PM	#110 (permalink)
Indiana Adventurer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Scotland Posts: 170	Osiris is the type of Villian that I love. However, I know some people don't feel she has the same menace as other Goa'ulds. I remember Titan thought she was more like the kind of person who would ask for another cream bun. She may look like that, but that is not Osiris' nature. Osiris above all is a Goa'uld, it just so happens Osiris took a good looking female host. The greatest Goa'uld was Ra, until he was wacked by Jack. Ra looked like the kind of person who would ask for a cream bun too, but he had something about him. And I've been saying it for ages. To quote Tom Cruise in Vanilla Sky, "For a moment I thought you were talking about a F**king mask!" The one thing about Stargate I don't like is that they never seem to wear those helmets anymore. I thought this idea would be revisted in Revelations with the introduction of Anubis, but then I thought, nah TPTB won't do this. They'll show Anubis face as they have done with every other Goa'uld. I was really looking out for a Jackal headed man with great stature, however I got a gimp in a nighty. One of the main things I loved about the feature was the costumes and the helmets that retracted into the collars. Ra's elmet that retracted into his head was even better. That is Stargate. Then TPTB came along and decided that the helmets wouldn't be in the series, a lot. Ever since Joe Mallozzi and Paul Mullie came on board the focus of the show has been geared towards making it cooler, because cool is the way to go. LOL. They never stopped to think that those friggen masks were cool? Back to the Gimp in the Nighty. I over-exaggerated there, but I do think it would have been better for Anubis to wear a helmet. I believe most of the gods and their Jaffa should wear helmets. If we see a jackal headed dude then we know it's Anubis, if we see a Jaffa in a Hawk Helmet then we must assume his loyalties lie/lied with Her'Ur or possibly Ra. The only reason we know that the gimp in the nighty was Anubis coz we were told this. Stargate appears to be turning into a "try-Hard". Trying desperately hard to be cool and failing. What they need to do is sit down and watch the feature and Season One and see how much off course they've went. Bar all the dissing I've done about how much off course the show has went, it will still remain my favourite Science-Fiction/Adventure TV show. Because Stargate had an established feature it was able to adopt its style. That Style still remains in a certain degree. However, in some episodes, most notabilly in Season Four it was like they were trying to do what most shows do, have cool spaceships and lots of cheap ass, heavy special effects. In Season Five they slowed down and experimented with a less is more. The Warrior wasn't Special Effects heavy compared to some other episodes. At the end they had a really great effect that was mind blowingly too good for TV. In Menace, the replicators looked more realistic. In 48 Hours the Explosions were as big as any bruckheimer/Bay movie. And the CG Asgard in revelations was just as good as CG Jar Jar Binks, better in my opinion. The Ships in revelations were better than they used to be, but did not look as good as a Specially engineered model with digital enhancements. I just kinda babbled here about meanderins on Season Five, but, erm...maybe I'll stop. Indy

24th February 2002, 09:38 PM	#111 (permalink)
Anni Chronos' Love Slave Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Third star on the left and straight on till morning! Posts: 1,371	LOL....... Indy darlin' I don't think you should stop your meanderings at all! Much of what you said echoes how I and many others feel. You are well used to my diatribes by now. The comments I initially made about Osiris still stand. Having said that, I thought that the actress did bring a certain 'fine madness and insanity' to the role. One which I personally feel is quite appropriate. Osiris, an overtly very masculine god in the body of a nervous highly strung female academic. That is by anyone's estimation, a rather lethal combination. Osiris combines all the worst characteristics of both male and female with a bit of insanity thrown in. It would certainly make for a rather crazed and despotic ruler, but not necessarily a strong one. Certainly someone with that kind of outlook would prevail at first, but his/her very contemptuous disregard for those around them would eventually be their downfall. Anubis was disappointing.....or rather the depiction of him was. In my novel (wot I am writing) I have depicted him also as a mysterious cloaked figure, but a tall imposing one rather than the 'gimp in the nightie'!!! In fact, the show's depiction reminded me of ET when they wrap him in the blanket. I immediately thought, 'bloody hell', it's ET. Anubis is ET! And I so very much hope not, but since the show is now clearly catering to the wide eyed viewer with the attention span of the average goldfish, my hopes will be in vain. The Stargate viewers want enemy monsters who look like typical sci fi monsters and I have a horrible feeling that this is exactly what we will get when they finally and proudly reveal the new Goa'uld enemy. The kind of reeking menace to which you are alluding, Indy, and to which I subscribe also, which occurred in the feature and the first couple of seasons is not what most viewers want to see. You and I (and many others) don't need to be scared of monsters in closets. What we want is for the show to treat us with respect and to allow that the most horrifically fearful things come in packages which are VERY familiar. Such as a symbiote within our own human form. Something completely familiar and yet horrifically unfamiliar in nature. The show has not had that sense of mystery and menace for an awfully long time, and I truly believe that they think that the only way to get us to react is to present us with Godzilla complete with fangs and claws, instead of a smooth, oil, deadly cold eyed villain who would both thrill and terrify with his utter disregard for anything or anyone who gets in his way. Ra was such a villain. Terrifying in his very lack of concern for humanity. So was Cronus......and Heru Ur and Hathor. To them humans were just there to be used.....fit only for hosts and slaves. Osiris has a little of it, along with more than a touch of repressed hysterical insanity. I think it speaks volumes that most of those I listed above were conveniently killed off by SG1.... Osiris will be another who will eventually fall, probably by the hand of Major Carter, who is, without a doubt the biggest whuss of an officer I have ever seen in my entire life.... and Anubis? Well, if it IS ET under the hooded nightie....with a bit of luck Cassandra will give him a 'lift' on the front of her bicycle and they'll disappear off to some other galaxy!

24th February 2002, 10:09 PM	#112 (permalink)
Hatshepsut WELCOME HOME, DR. JACKSON Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waltham, N.E.Lincolnshire, U.K. Posts: 995	[quote]Originally posted by Indiana I was really looking out for a Jackal headed man with great stature, however I got a gimp in a nighty. ROFLMAO :lol: :lol: :lol: Too right!!! Ever since Joe Mallozzi and Paul Mullie came on board the focus of the show has been geared towards making it cooler, because cool is the way to go. LOL. They never stopped to think that those friggen masks were cool? 'Ear, 'ear! What they need to do is sit down and watch the feature and Season One and see how much off course they've went. Couldn't agree more! Best wishes, Hatshepsut :wave: --

24th February 2002, 10:26 PM	#114 (permalink)
Indiana Adventurer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Scotland Posts: 170	After a look at Johnathan Glassners credits on IMDB I discovered he left Stargate to work on this: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0220238

25th February 2002, 10:16 PM	#119 (permalink)
jsc God Like Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California,U.S.A. Posts: 4,352	Just make sure to have pleanty of papper for your printer and lots of time to read a good novel.... time goes fast tho... but this is a good long one....laughter, sex, some violence, lots of love and caring, did I mention humor and good ploting and pacing... it is exciting and fun to read!