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skydiver · 10th February 2002, 03:47 AM

whatever the reasons for ms leaving..they're his reasons. and unless we can turn back time and become a fly on the wall of brad wright's office when he and ms talked...we'll never know the complete, total and objective truth.

sometimes the conspiracy stories can be seen as a drag...but they are a fact of the show that has been a part of it since the nox.

the stargate represents power. power in the allies it helps you make, power in the material you can bring back, power in the tech you can find. imagine the wealth if they found a world with....gold mountains and diamond streams...far fetched but possible. just because certain minerals are rare here...they may not be on other planets.

also imagine the power of forging alliances with races that are more advanced than us. face it, if a race has conquered interstellar space flight...they're pretty advanced...or owning the weapons they can find.

all of this is power. both political and personal.

now imagine that someone has that power and won't let you have any...mankind's greatest folly is that it craves power. mankind craves domination, being the strongest...and the gate is a source of power.

people will want control of that. and if they can't get it directly, they'll get it indirectly.

waaayyy back in WWII and post world war 2, america alone had control of the atom...everyone wanted it. various countries worked long and hard to get a hold of the secret. true they could have eventually figured it out themselves...but stealing it is faster. so they sent spies and they did steal it.

that is another of mankind's follies...we're lazy...why make it when we can steal it

the gate is the same way. it represents power and lots of folks want it...and they'll do whatever they can to get it...and the more they are foiled...the more desperate they'll get and the harder they'll try...as evidenced by how the actions of the NID are getting more and more obvious.

it sucks but if we pretend the gate was real...there'd be no way in heck folks would just sit back and not try to harness that power. i know lots may not like the nid stuff...but it's far, far more realistic a scenario than the 'we're all on the same side and play well together' ideal you see on star trek.

all in all we really haven't advanced much beyond the hairy apes whacking each other over the head for the best piece of meat

murfff · 10th February 2002, 06:23 AM

Perhaps that little blip in the ventilation system in the final scene was just that - a blip.
But, bearing in mind that Oma was Mother Nature and could control such things as the wind, that draft of wind just reminded Jack of the friend he'd lost. So he smiled as he thought about him...

Oh, and the reason for Anubis's hood - I bet they just haven't cast his character yet!

Anni · 10th February 2002, 10:26 AM

I think that when I first posted almost a year ago, I made the very point that this show is just a mirror of what we, human beings are. What we think and what we do for real in the world.

Everything that the writers and producers do which makes the enemy, in this case the Goa'uld, amoral, cruel and despotic is merely a reflection of our own very human attributes.

It is human nature to be lazy...especially now, when we have no need to be vigilant and see to our own survival and the survival of the species in the same way as we did even a thousand years ago. We have lost the ability to see to ourselves and we allow governments and those we perceive to be stronger or more powerful than we are to do it for us.

We do exactly what the Goa'uld do..... we steal technology from each others' countries rather than invent and develop because it's a darn sight easier to do that. We are all capable of huge cruelties and inflicting pain. Hitler, Pol Pot, Vlad the Impaler to name but three in a myriad of despots and dictators which have proliferated in society over the millennia spring to mind, but there are many many more. All have inflicted the very kinds of suffering on their own kind as well as the other species on this planet as the writers portray as being the attributes of the Goa'uld. We are in fact loathing a mirror image of ourselves if we hate them.

All did it because they believed that they were superior and that anything/anyone else is vastly inferior fit only for slavery.

Does that ring a bell with anyone?

Even the cannibalism which was portrayed in the Summit episode is something which we ourselves once indulged in..... and in some parts of the world it is still a practice.

Therefore although I dislike the NID storylines because they are slightly boring and it irks me that shiny white SG1 constantly win through (no change there then!), I agree with Sky that they are a necessary part of the continuing storyline. There would be people on this planet with an agenda and they would constantly try to chip away at the security and secrecy surrounding something like the Stargate.

I just don't want these to occupy as much time as they often appear to have. It should be more a thin thread running through the entire story arc. And in a way the producers did try to do that, but in my opinion got slightly carried away!

Despite our cultural taboos and distaste for the atrocities committed by our own kind, we are not so different from primal human beings..... scratch the surface veneer of our 'civiisation' and you will find primal man......... ready to kill, maim and destroy in order to survive. The only difference now being that we do it with a smile pasted on and our hand with the club behind our back. Diplomacy is saying 'nice doggie' while you make sure you have a big stick to hit him with.

I think that the Daniel 'fart' was a further sop to those Daniel fans who are in strictest mourning right now. They know that they have offended and upset many of the firm, but rabid fanbase who adored the Daniel character and obviously felt that they should do something to make you all feel better. Gee, Danny is watching over them. My only fear is that in the huge battle with the Goa'uld, which we all know earth couldn't possibly win despite SG1's godlike status, the odds will be tipped in earth's favour by the appearance of flights of mighty Cherubim (the angelic warriors of god) headed by St Daniel of Desala.

If they do that..... then I will personally send Brad Wright, RDA and anyone who is involved with the show to the top of my hit list. They should leave it....as in any good science fiction, with a huge question hanging over the whole issue.

Humans don't flourish when they don't have a challenge or a fight on their hands. To have such an easy solution on hand is too pat and too hard for someone like me to swallow..... but I guess the average viewer will be quite happy to see the goodies win and the baddies bite the dust. But if we are talking about the vaguest idea of reality, life ain't like that. And before someone starts wittering on about it being a TV show, please remember, that the genre of Sci Fi came about because people questioned what was 'out there'. Sci Fi is not a fairytale or a soap opera....it's about the what if's and maybes of our lives and is closely related to real life.

If you want sheer unadulaterated romance and sex, then go watch a soap.

Murff may be right..... I hope he/she is..... that Jack just smiled in remembrance of his friend. That would be so much more palatable and less tacky than the idea than Daniel is wandering like a lost soul around the corridors of the SGC just waiting for a chance to make contact or protect.

Dave · 10th February 2002, 12:27 PM

I agree with Anni and Skydiver totally, but as I have said before, the producers of this show made a big mistake of having Apophis' Motherships come to attack Earth at the end of Season 1. That should have been an 'ID4' climax of the series. OK, there are more powerful Goa'ulds still out there, but they cannot just repeat the same story with a different enemy.

Politics was part of this show from the begining, as the reasons Skydiver gave are valid. But as someone else said before, I think it was Anni, we would'nt just sit and steal technology, we would be taking things apart, back-engineering them, and replicating copies of them. The SGC would now be fully armed with zat guns, and powered by an unlimited energy Naquada reactor.

We would have 'moved on'. I do like the character inter-reactions, but while they have been going on, the record seems to have got stuck in the same place, playing over and over again.

Hatshepsut · 10th February 2002, 03:20 PM

In the beginning...

...there were Jack and Daniel - military might and social conscience - brawn and brain... Balance.

Two is good, so four is obviously better... Sam straddles the brain/brawn boundary, Teal'c is a warrior. To maintain the balance, Daniel and astro-physicist Sam need to carry a little more of the load.

Their original mission - to explore other planets, make contact with other civilizations, assess any risk to Earth, and negotiate to bring back anything that Earth might find useful. Even the President backed them on that.

Once S.G.1 has completed a mission and reported on it, it should then pass out of their hands and on to a higher authority for evaluation, and application if relevant.

Yes, unscrupulous, power-hungry, ‘goa'uld-ish' people on the make will want to get their hands on any advanced weapons technology that they get to hear about and, yes, there's a place for it now and again to add variety.

It is, however, up to S.G.1 to ensure that as little as possible passes on out of the mountain that could be misused, and it should fall to Daniel and, to a lesser extent, Sam to argue for the ethical angle on the decisions they take.

Clearly they will occasionally fail, after which, it should be up to General Hammond and other higher ranking officers to sort it out, not S.G.1. The ball should only return to their court in cases such as Senator Kinsey's attempt to close down the Stargate project when, as it directly affects them, they should, and did, fight their own corner.
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Skydiver:

Yes, Shank's reasons for leaving are his own; I don't have a problem with that. In his shoes, I'd probably do the same thing. What I do object to is that he was given those reasons in the first place.

Pretending the gate was real? It isn't. It's there for our entertainment. An episode involving arguments about the project's budget and funding would pretty realistic, but entertaining? I don't think so...
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Anni:

Strictest mourning? Incandescent rage, more like. Yes, the sci-fi genre is a result of people questioning what's 'out there' and saying, "What if... "

There are already plenty of S.F. programmes on the go in the stale old "we come in peace - shoot to kill" mode. For this reason, ‘Stargate S.G.1' provided a welcome breath of fresh air. Now it just looks set to become just another tired formulaic monster... This I find extremely exasperating.

In the words of the song, "You don't know what you've got till it's gone... "

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut.
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Indiana · 11th February 2002, 10:23 PM

Anni, gee it feels weird calling you annit, especially after all the time calling you Titan, anyway. Anni, I remember you once mentioned that I would probably do a better job writing for Stargate. lol. I have to say that you would be a fine addition to the team that creates that show. If there was to be a spin off, Atlantis, I say that MGM should hire you as their Creative Consultant.

Dave - I guess you must have been preaching your beliefs that the Goa'uld should not have attacked earth at the end of Season One. I respect your right to your beliefs, but I tend to disagree.

it seemas a bit like this post on revelations has developed into another discussion on what the show lacks and the potential it has

Such is the way of conversations.

Dave · 11th February 2002, 11:23 PM

Yes, sorry to go off-topic, because it was a good episode, and I'm going to be lost without it on every week!

skydiver · 12th February 2002, 02:33 AM

what did you guys think about osiris?

first of all i love this combination of goauld voice in a brit accent. (and the way she goes 'insolence')

what i really like about her, some may say it's trite or contrived but her...well frankly she's nuts. and i love the mix of slightly nutty symbiote pulling out earth colliquisms from the host.

like in summit, her 'i hope i haven't missed anything' or somethign like that.
and she's got this nutsy quality that quite frankly makes her more interesting to watch because it's hard to peg down what she's doing next. i mean i can watch an eps and at times i've said jack's line right as he does the first time i watch it...sort of 'reading his mind'...i mean i got the character pegged and know how he'll react...with osiris it isn't this way.
she's unpredictable and that makes her fun

and when it comes time for her demise...it's sam's turn. she hasn't whacked a goauld since season 3

Hatshepsut · 12th February 2002, 10:24 AM

I agree. I think she makes a *brilliant* villain, but hey! that's what Brits are good at :evil:

It's also interesting that Osiris is male inside a female body - O.K., I know it's been said somewhere that goa'ulds have no gender, but that's the way it comes across.

Would definitely like to see more of her/him.

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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skydiver · 12th February 2002, 06:43 PM

i agree with the gender thing. apparently osiris had always been male...sort of like jolinar had always been female up until that last host.

what's neat....at least in summit/last stand...osiris either indulges his host's feminity or likes using it to serve his purposes

Anni · 12th February 2002, 08:59 PM

Indy...... you can call me Titan if you want, I'll know who you mean!

That was a very flattering thing to say..... I thank you. I have a horrible feeling though that M & M's will do a lot of the creative writing for it and that does not augur well. They do not handle major episodes well.

pamie · 13th February 2002, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by skydiver
what did you guys think about osiris?

first of all i love this combination of goauld voice in a brit accent. (and the way she goes 'insolence')

what i really like about her, some may say it's trite or contrived but her...well frankly she's nuts. and i love the mix of slightly nutty symbiote pulling out earth colliquisms from the host.

like in summit, her 'i hope i haven't missed anything' or somethign like that.

Oh I think Osiris is fantastic......

I love the line " hope Im not missing all the fun"

Its just a great one liner....so much better the rest of them...I wanna see more!

Raptor · 14th February 2002, 08:04 AM

Quote:

It's also interesting that Osiris is male inside a female body - O.K., I know it's been said somewhere that goa'ulds have no gender, but that's the way it comes across.

I think we were told in 'The Tok'ra' that a Goa'uld takes on the gender of its host, which is good for those people-like me- who think Anna-Louise Plowman is good looking. A male Goa'uld in a female host would just add a level of ickyness it I just don't need at the moment.
As always, don't take my posts too seriously.
Raptor

leprykawn · 14th February 2002, 09:42 PM

I AGREE !!! Osiris ROCKS!! As mentioned before, She/He/it 's really cool at the one liners, and miss/mrs Plowman is great looking.:evil:

I think that gou'adl-ed English accent kicks butt.

Raptor · 21st February 2002, 08:12 AM

Does she have her own site/fan site? I can't find anything.
Raptor

10th February 2002, 03:47 AM	#91 (permalink)
skydiver Trivia Goddess Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: topeka, ks, usa- 7 1/2 hours due east of Cheyenne Mountain Posts: 2,856	whatever the reasons for ms leaving..they're his reasons. and unless we can turn back time and become a fly on the wall of brad wright's office when he and ms talked...we'll never know the complete, total and objective truth. sometimes the conspiracy stories can be seen as a drag...but they are a fact of the show that has been a part of it since the nox. the stargate represents power. power in the allies it helps you make, power in the material you can bring back, power in the tech you can find. imagine the wealth if they found a world with....gold mountains and diamond streams...far fetched but possible. just because certain minerals are rare here...they may not be on other planets. also imagine the power of forging alliances with races that are more advanced than us. face it, if a race has conquered interstellar space flight...they're pretty advanced...or owning the weapons they can find. all of this is power. both political and personal. now imagine that someone has that power and won't let you have any...mankind's greatest folly is that it craves power. mankind craves domination, being the strongest...and the gate is a source of power. people will want control of that. and if they can't get it directly, they'll get it indirectly. waaayyy back in WWII and post world war 2, america alone had control of the atom...everyone wanted it. various countries worked long and hard to get a hold of the secret. true they could have eventually figured it out themselves...but stealing it is faster. so they sent spies and they did steal it. that is another of mankind's follies...we're lazy...why make it when we can steal it the gate is the same way. it represents power and lots of folks want it...and they'll do whatever they can to get it...and the more they are foiled...the more desperate they'll get and the harder they'll try...as evidenced by how the actions of the NID are getting more and more obvious. it sucks but if we pretend the gate was real...there'd be no way in heck folks would just sit back and not try to harness that power. i know lots may not like the nid stuff...but it's far, far more realistic a scenario than the 'we're all on the same side and play well together' ideal you see on star trek. all in all we really haven't advanced much beyond the hairy apes whacking each other over the head for the best piece of meat

10th February 2002, 06:23 AM	#92 (permalink)
murfff star hopper Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Scotland Posts: 16	Perhaps that little blip in the ventilation system in the final scene was just that - a blip. But, bearing in mind that Oma was Mother Nature and could control such things as the wind, that draft of wind just reminded Jack of the friend he'd lost. So he smiled as he thought about him... Oh, and the reason for Anubis's hood - I bet they just haven't cast his character yet!

10th February 2002, 10:26 AM	#93 (permalink)
Anni Chronos' Love Slave Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Third star on the left and straight on till morning! Posts: 1,371	I think that when I first posted almost a year ago, I made the very point that this show is just a mirror of what we, human beings are. What we think and what we do for real in the world. Everything that the writers and producers do which makes the enemy, in this case the Goa'uld, amoral, cruel and despotic is merely a reflection of our own very human attributes. It is human nature to be lazy...especially now, when we have no need to be vigilant and see to our own survival and the survival of the species in the same way as we did even a thousand years ago. We have lost the ability to see to ourselves and we allow governments and those we perceive to be stronger or more powerful than we are to do it for us. We do exactly what the Goa'uld do..... we steal technology from each others' countries rather than invent and develop because it's a darn sight easier to do that. We are all capable of huge cruelties and inflicting pain. Hitler, Pol Pot, Vlad the Impaler to name but three in a myriad of despots and dictators which have proliferated in society over the millennia spring to mind, but there are many many more. All have inflicted the very kinds of suffering on their own kind as well as the other species on this planet as the writers portray as being the attributes of the Goa'uld. We are in fact loathing a mirror image of ourselves if we hate them. All did it because they believed that they were superior and that anything/anyone else is vastly inferior fit only for slavery. Does that ring a bell with anyone? Even the cannibalism which was portrayed in the Summit episode is something which we ourselves once indulged in..... and in some parts of the world it is still a practice. Therefore although I dislike the NID storylines because they are slightly boring and it irks me that shiny white SG1 constantly win through (no change there then!), I agree with Sky that they are a necessary part of the continuing storyline. There would be people on this planet with an agenda and they would constantly try to chip away at the security and secrecy surrounding something like the Stargate. I just don't want these to occupy as much time as they often appear to have. It should be more a thin thread running through the entire story arc. And in a way the producers did try to do that, but in my opinion got slightly carried away! Despite our cultural taboos and distaste for the atrocities committed by our own kind, we are not so different from primal human beings..... scratch the surface veneer of our 'civiisation' and you will find primal man......... ready to kill, maim and destroy in order to survive. The only difference now being that we do it with a smile pasted on and our hand with the club behind our back. Diplomacy is saying 'nice doggie' while you make sure you have a big stick to hit him with. I think that the Daniel 'fart' was a further sop to those Daniel fans who are in strictest mourning right now. They know that they have offended and upset many of the firm, but rabid fanbase who adored the Daniel character and obviously felt that they should do something to make you all feel better. Gee, Danny is watching over them. My only fear is that in the huge battle with the Goa'uld, which we all know earth couldn't possibly win despite SG1's godlike status, the odds will be tipped in earth's favour by the appearance of flights of mighty Cherubim (the angelic warriors of god) headed by St Daniel of Desala. If they do that..... then I will personally send Brad Wright, RDA and anyone who is involved with the show to the top of my hit list. They should leave it....as in any good science fiction, with a huge question hanging over the whole issue. Humans don't flourish when they don't have a challenge or a fight on their hands. To have such an easy solution on hand is too pat and too hard for someone like me to swallow..... but I guess the average viewer will be quite happy to see the goodies win and the baddies bite the dust. But if we are talking about the vaguest idea of reality, life ain't like that. And before someone starts wittering on about it being a TV show, please remember, that the genre of Sci Fi came about because people questioned what was 'out there'. Sci Fi is not a fairytale or a soap opera....it's about the what if's and maybes of our lives and is closely related to real life. If you want sheer unadulaterated romance and sex, then go watch a soap. Murff may be right..... I hope he/she is..... that Jack just smiled in remembrance of his friend. That would be so much more palatable and less tacky than the idea than Daniel is wandering like a lost soul around the corridors of the SGC just waiting for a chance to make contact or protect.

10th February 2002, 12:27 PM	#94 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,429	I agree with Anni and Skydiver totally, but as I have said before, the producers of this show made a big mistake of having Apophis' Motherships come to attack Earth at the end of Season 1. That should have been an 'ID4' climax of the series. OK, there are more powerful Goa'ulds still out there, but they cannot just repeat the same story with a different enemy. Politics was part of this show from the begining, as the reasons Skydiver gave are valid. But as someone else said before, I think it was Anni, we would'nt just sit and steal technology, we would be taking things apart, back-engineering them, and replicating copies of them. The SGC would now be fully armed with zat guns, and powered by an unlimited energy Naquada reactor. We would have 'moved on'. I do like the character inter-reactions, but while they have been going on, the record seems to have got stuck in the same place, playing over and over again.

10th February 2002, 03:20 PM	#95 (permalink)
Hatshepsut WELCOME HOME, DR. JACKSON Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waltham, N.E.Lincolnshire, U.K. Posts: 995	In the beginning... ...there were Jack and Daniel - military might and social conscience - brawn and brain... Balance. Two is good, so four is obviously better... Sam straddles the brain/brawn boundary, Teal'c is a warrior. To maintain the balance, Daniel and astro-physicist Sam need to carry a little more of the load. Their original mission - to explore other planets, make contact with other civilizations, assess any risk to Earth, and negotiate to bring back anything that Earth might find useful. Even the President backed them on that. Once S.G.1 has completed a mission and reported on it, it should then pass out of their hands and on to a higher authority for evaluation, and application if relevant. Yes, unscrupulous, power-hungry, ‘goa'uld-ish' people on the make will want to get their hands on any advanced weapons technology that they get to hear about and, yes, there's a place for it now and again to add variety. It is, however, up to S.G.1 to ensure that as little as possible passes on out of the mountain that could be misused, and it should fall to Daniel and, to a lesser extent, Sam to argue for the ethical angle on the decisions they take. Clearly they will occasionally fail, after which, it should be up to General Hammond and other higher ranking officers to sort it out, not S.G.1. The ball should only return to their court in cases such as Senator Kinsey's attempt to close down the Stargate project when, as it directly affects them, they should, and did, fight their own corner. --------- Skydiver: Yes, Shank's reasons for leaving are his own; I don't have a problem with that. In his shoes, I'd probably do the same thing. What I do object to is that he was given those reasons in the first place. Pretending the gate was real? It isn't. It's there for our entertainment. An episode involving arguments about the project's budget and funding would pretty realistic, but entertaining? I don't think so... --------- Anni: Strictest mourning? Incandescent rage, more like. Yes, the sci-fi genre is a result of people questioning what's 'out there' and saying, "What if... " There are already plenty of S.F. programmes on the go in the stale old "we come in peace - shoot to kill" mode. For this reason, ‘Stargate S.G.1' provided a welcome breath of fresh air. Now it just looks set to become just another tired formulaic monster... This I find extremely exasperating. In the words of the song, "You don't know what you've got till it's gone... " Best wishes, Hatshepsut. --

11th February 2002, 10:23 PM	#96 (permalink)
Indiana Adventurer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Scotland Posts: 170	Anni, gee it feels weird calling you annit, especially after all the time calling you Titan, anyway. Anni, I remember you once mentioned that I would probably do a better job writing for Stargate. lol. I have to say that you would be a fine addition to the team that creates that show. If there was to be a spin off, Atlantis, I say that MGM should hire you as their Creative Consultant. Dave - I guess you must have been preaching your beliefs that the Goa'uld should not have attacked earth at the end of Season One. I respect your right to your beliefs, but I tend to disagree. it seemas a bit like this post on revelations has developed into another discussion on what the show lacks and the potential it has Such is the way of conversations.

11th February 2002, 11:23 PM	#97 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,429	Yes, sorry to go off-topic, because it was a good episode, and I'm going to be lost without it on every week!

12th February 2002, 02:33 AM	#98 (permalink)
skydiver Trivia Goddess Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: topeka, ks, usa- 7 1/2 hours due east of Cheyenne Mountain Posts: 2,856	what did you guys think about osiris? first of all i love this combination of goauld voice in a brit accent. (and the way she goes 'insolence') what i really like about her, some may say it's trite or contrived but her...well frankly she's nuts. and i love the mix of slightly nutty symbiote pulling out earth colliquisms from the host. like in summit, her 'i hope i haven't missed anything' or somethign like that. and she's got this nutsy quality that quite frankly makes her more interesting to watch because it's hard to peg down what she's doing next. i mean i can watch an eps and at times i've said jack's line right as he does the first time i watch it...sort of 'reading his mind'...i mean i got the character pegged and know how he'll react...with osiris it isn't this way. she's unpredictable and that makes her fun and when it comes time for her demise...it's sam's turn. she hasn't whacked a goauld since season 3

12th February 2002, 10:24 AM	#99 (permalink)
Hatshepsut WELCOME HOME, DR. JACKSON Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waltham, N.E.Lincolnshire, U.K. Posts: 995	I agree. I think she makes a brilliant villain, but hey! that's what Brits are good at :evil: It's also interesting that Osiris is male inside a female body - O.K., I know it's been said somewhere that goa'ulds have no gender, but that's the way it comes across. Would definitely like to see more of her/him. Best wishes, Hatshepsut :wave: --

12th February 2002, 06:43 PM	#100 (permalink)
skydiver Trivia Goddess Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: topeka, ks, usa- 7 1/2 hours due east of Cheyenne Mountain Posts: 2,856	i agree with the gender thing. apparently osiris had always been male...sort of like jolinar had always been female up until that last host. what's neat....at least in summit/last stand...osiris either indulges his host's feminity or likes using it to serve his purposes

12th February 2002, 08:59 PM	#101 (permalink)
Anni Chronos' Love Slave Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Third star on the left and straight on till morning! Posts: 1,371	Indy...... you can call me Titan if you want, I'll know who you mean! That was a very flattering thing to say..... I thank you. I have a horrible feeling though that M & M's will do a lot of the creative writing for it and that does not augur well. They do not handle major episodes well.

14th February 2002, 09:42 PM	#104 (permalink)
leprykawn Lord of the Leprechauns Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 98	I AGREE !!! Osiris ROCKS!! As mentioned before, She/He/it 's really cool at the one liners, and miss/mrs Plowman is great looking.:evil: I think that gou'adl-ed English accent kicks butt.

21st February 2002, 08:12 AM	#105 (permalink)
Raptor A pain in the Mikta Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Bairnsdale, Vic Posts: 680	Does she have her own site/fan site? I can't find anything. Raptor