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Old 26th October 2001, 06:46 PM   #16 (permalink)
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if we really wanna angst the heck outta sam, clair could die saving sam's life.....now THAT would be a twist
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Old 27th October 2001, 04:18 PM   #17 (permalink)
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harry's back????

this just in from one of the lists....could we have harry back too???

During the RDA interview on the Vicki Gabereau Show (on Canadian TV on Oct.
12th), two clips were shown from Stargate SG-1.

One was from "Enemies" - the "excuse me, but I think we made it" scene on the
bridge.

The second clip was from one of the new episodes we're waiting patiently (!)
for...(Possibly The Sentinel, going by the descriptions listed on StarGuide?)

The clip ran for 11 seconds. Here's a transcription:

Scene: Gas Station. Jack's Ford F-150 pickup (license appeared to be Q1B 636),
is parked facing the camera. Standing on the right side of
the truck is Jack (wearing a red/black checked shirt over a black t-shirt, and
blue jeans [YES!]), and standing on the left side is
Maybourne (bearded, wearing a black windbreaker, a light gray or blue pullover
shirt, and black pants).

Jack: (very angry and betrayed sounding) "I trusted you!" (Has both hands
clenched into fists, shaking them.)

Harry: "Come on, would I have come back here like this if I had done it?"

Jack: (still angry) "You might!"

Harry: "I swear, Jack."

Jack: "Well, then who did it?"

Harry: "I don't know."

Jack: "What DO YOU know?"

i just KNOW that there wasn't a gas station scene in desperate measures adn the 'i trusted you' could very well refer to jack thinking that harry's the one that shot him
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Old 28th October 2001, 02:41 PM   #18 (permalink)
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YES!!! Sounds like fun.....
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Old 23rd January 2002, 09:53 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Just seen this. Have to think some more on it.



Yes, Grieves and Tobias do die saving SG-1 and the planet. One person who doesn't is the guy Jack doesn't let go home -- I was absolutely sure that he would!



The Goa'uld attacking is not Anubis, it was something beginning with S. Jack has to ask Carter who it is. She says he is a System Lord. How many System Lords are there? They could only manage 10 around a table 3 weeks ago. Has Jack not been reading his intelligence?

The aliens reminded me of the kind of society Kirk would visit in the original Star Trek, controlled or defended by a mighty computer -- Totally unbelievable!
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Old 24th January 2002, 01:39 PM   #20 (permalink)
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OK, this was on Sky One last night and so far only one post about it - could it be because everyone has the same queries I have

Like how did the sentinel machine KNOW who the enemies were ? If it was a Thor's Hammer kind of deal then WHY was Teal'c not affected

Anyone have any ideas

Also, these two renegades - were they actually in Shades of Grey cos I didn't recognise them, but maybe they were same characters/different actors or maybe my mind is turning to Jelly cos I will be 40 next Wednesday !!!!!
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Old 24th January 2002, 02:08 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I'm surprised at the lack of posts too. Especially since there were lots of plot holes.

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Like how did the sentinel machine KNOW who the enemies were ? If it was a Thor's Hammer kind of deal then WHY was Teal'c not affected.
I hadn't thought about that. I just thought 'Goa'uld Mothership firing at the surface of the planet' would be identified as an enemy. But you are right because the Leader (forgot his name) seemed to expect it to attack all the Jaffa too, just for being there at all.

It is a good action-driven episode though!
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Old 24th January 2002, 03:47 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Yeah, it was the way that all the Jaffa in the Sentinel Cave were zapped out of existence (or transported somewhere), BUT the SG people, including Teal'c were left untouched.

I agree it would certainly see the mothership as a threat, but how did it define between Jaffa carrying weapons and SG personel carrying weapons

Having said that I did enjoy the action stuff - Teal'c was in his element there wasn't he !

I guess at least the renegage operative did the right thing at the end when he realised what he need to do - but wasn't he a right git in the flashbacks we saw - ooh nasty nasty
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Old 24th January 2002, 11:59 PM   #23 (permalink)
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ummm

my question is if Grieves worked the weapon just like the caretaker did then wouldn't he been alive still? The weapon worked with man and machine as they stated most likely Grieves identified which was friend or foe while it scanned the planet. I just wonder since the caretaker was always able to work it and never died then maybe Grieves was sent to another cave like thors hammer did and it also sent the jaffa to a underground prison or something.
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Old 25th January 2002, 04:33 PM   #24 (permalink)
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it's possible that teh sgc folks were spared because they were inside the force field. one thing we've often seen with 'superior' tech is peoples' absolute faith and trust in it. it may have been beyond their comprehension that an enemy could get inside teh field. and in the past 300 years noone has. the jaffa have never stayed on the planet long enough to find the cave and figure out the code.

was teh goauld's name sparak? (sound on squinty vision isn't always the best)

and danny got teh line of the week 'yeah, which end do the bullets go in again?'....had me rolling.

some folks have been less than enthusiastic about this one but i liked it. nice mix of action and personal drama...little jack whumping, moral dilemma of a sorts.

my one big question...they knew jaffa were around...why did they apparently make no effort to hide their tracks? i mean by now there isn't a jaffa in teh universe that wouldn't recognize the lug soles on army boots and know they're tau'ri
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Old 26th January 2002, 02:21 AM   #25 (permalink)
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How COOL were those missiles at the beginning that they shot through the Gate? That was totally awesome. They worked with the UAV to target Jaffa weapon locations. What a great invention. I wonder who thought of that one.

This ep had a good momentum to it. The continual action was great and it was good to see them off-world fighting Goa'ulds again. The focus seemed to be spread out over all of them, no one in particular was the feature SG1 character like it has been over the last few weeks.

Where was Clair Tobias? I though she was supposed to be in this ep? Instead we got grieves and that other woman, name started with a K but I can't remember it. I was looking forward to her and Sam being competitive.

I guess I have the same question as everyone else has already raised. Some things weren't pieced together very well. One other thing, what was the point of GH telling Tech Davis that grieves had shot 3 people with a weapon when he was escaping another planet? Was it supposed to let us know that the man is trigger happy or something? I didn't get that.

And lastly, what is it lately with these episodes all ending abruptly? The Jaffa disappear and then its the end. What happened next? SO many unanswered questions again. It's like they're trying to cram evrything and then realise they dont have enough time left so were just sort of left hanging there. It's getting annoying.

I agree with Sky, the line of the week definetly went to Danny.
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Old 26th January 2002, 11:12 AM   #26 (permalink)
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LOL....... I would have posted my thoughts on this episode, but

1. I have been working until 9pm every night this week apart from the night the eppy was on

2. I was curious to see whether anyone else would post any thoughts, because for the last two to three eppys, it's been me that's put down what I felt and did a sort of review.

I have noticed that generally until you get people like Dave or Sky posting, the only comments which happen are things like.....

RDA is KEWL! (Is it just me or does the lack of spelling/grammatical ability in a lot of postings get up anyone else's nose?) or Didn't 'x' look hot in that episode..... or even worse the constant gushing about how the show, writers, producers etc can't do anything wrong, all episodes are wonderful etc etc blah blah.....

This episode had more plotholes in it than plot. I did notice that the M & M's were supervising producers though, which didn't give me a great deal of heart, since anything they do switches me right off. Like Shelby I totally agree that they are trying to stuff too much into episodes. The episodes are not clean cut. Half the time I spend it trying to figure out just why they're doing what they're doing and why they're doing it. Did anyone else buy the line about that young SG9 member being 'passed by' by the Jaffa because he was out for the count?

Either the Jaffa are getting even more inept or this medication is affecting me more than I thought! Like they would pass by him and not check for a pulse, given the often repeated desire by the System Lords to capture a live member of those pesky Tau'ri. Come on! This is suspending disbelief to the 'n'th degree in my book!

I too didn't understand why Grieves died. However, I imagine it would be to satisfy the viewers desire to see justice done...... American style. After all, he had been a baddie before..... Revenge not justice is the name of the game especially in the current climate of the real world. Personally I would have thought that the real and very poetic justice would have been for Grieves to be tied forever to the machine he tried to sabotage in the first place.... having to live like a hermit and on a planet light years away from home... miles away from the nearest bar or steak house. But hell.... he'd have been alive and not on death row.

There is no way that the death sentence would have been commuted..... and Stargate couldn't be seen on screen to justify terrorist acts going unpunished. It wouldn't be politically correct in the current climate of the US war on terrorism and the relevant advisers for MGM would have stamped on any attempt to do so immediately in case it offended viewers. I know from my friend who is such an executive with that kind of role in the US movie business that this does for a fact happen, especially with shows like Stargate which often mirror real events.

All in all, one of the more dreary episodes, but hey.... you got lots of SG1 time, so don't complain. And Danny got a good line..... let's hear it for good old Danny. And Jack got to do a lot of pointless facial twitching in the very beginning when he interrupted Hammond with the relatively unimportant posturing over his mission report. Something that a professional soldier and high ranking officer would NEVER do, no matter how good a relationship he considered himself to have with his commanding officer and he certainly wouldn't do it in front of subordinates.

Methinks the USAF adviser was asleep when this eppy was being shot. Of course I do realise that the facial twitchings and childlike behaviour along with the sarcastic comments are what endears this character so to many of the fans..... but they are no substitute for real acting. Something which RDA has yet to achieve in my opinion.

So there you are...... my review...sort of. And better late than never. Am I the only one who tries to induce some thought provoking discussion on these episodes?

come on guys..... let me have it....both barrels, straight between the eyes! I'm a roughie toughie soldier, I can take it!


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Incidentally, I think that the name of the System Lord was Svarnog..... at least that's what I thought he said and someone on another list agreed. Maybe he's one of the non cannibalism clan of System Lord and therefore wasn't invited for munchies on the space station. Tch tch and him a nasty Goa'uld too. You'd think he'd at least go with the flow wouldn't you? What's with this younger generation these days?

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Old 26th January 2002, 11:59 AM   #27 (permalink)
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RDA is KEWL - just kidding anni
just saw this ep on squinty vision. i too thought the beginning was bizarre - did rda have gas or something?
my expectations are fairly low when it comes to stargate - it's mainly just an escape from reality for me and part of that is appreciating the scenery so i do have some sympathy for the "didn't character x look hot" set.
my husband is one of those ubergeek types who is constantly examining the philosophical nuances of EVERYthing but he doesn't like sci fi so stargate is my chance to be shallow
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Old 26th January 2002, 01:29 PM   #28 (permalink)
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ROTLMAO.......Hee hee...... yes, he looked exactly as though he wanted to let a huge one rip out! Or possibly he was constipated, that thought crossed my mind too! I'm kind halfway between you and your hubby Gategeek. I don't look for all the nuances, but I don't have low expectations of the show either. However, although I can sympathise and totally understand your viewpoint..... I find it really sad that the show seems to be unable to inspire more than this, especially since it started out so promisingly.

I find it sad that it has denigrated itself to the point where enjoying the eye candy view and criticising the plot or lack of it is the only thing that strikes the viewers. I like my Sci Fi or shows in the like, to be thought provoking and subjects for debate. If I wanted eye candy I would go and watch the plethora of shows which provide this..... For me, actors don't have to be blindingly good looking in order to attract my attention. They just have to be able to act and further my interest in the show they are acting in. Out of the Stargate actors I have met, the most charming and delightful one was Tony Amendola, and he is far from good looking.

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joe posted over on another forum that it was svarog, the slavic god of....something. <G> anyway he was at the summit. he was the blond late arrival wiht the woman slave. he was all dressed in black. i'd have to go back and watch for sure.
the slavic part makes sense because i thought the tattoos on his jaffa looked a lot like viking type dragon necks (i know vikings aren't totally slavic...but it's the right neck of the woods)

jack in the beginning did annoy me. he does anymore when he does his burping brain donor impression...but in the rest he actually was acting like i'd expect a colonel to act. you know, like he's smart enough to pour water out of his boot.

watch out for the ship fic from this one. anyone notice the parallel to upgrades? sam on one side of a force field, him on the other...one of them in mortal danger.

close enough to liven things up (although i don't think they will right now. since there is a season 6 then any ship resolution won't come for another year)

any guesses if marule is alive or if the jaffa toasted him? i know i've seen that actor before. anyone have any clues?

i read on another forum that kershaw used to be angie on FX which is where i thought i recognized her from.

i need to stick my SOG tape in and see if that control room shot really was there or not. i don't seem to remember it but i can't be sure.

i was also thinking, it's likely that grieves told the machine who to kill...but i also didn't get hammy's comment about the other planet. was it supposed to warn us that grieves was a cold-blooded sob? we already knew that by the way he treated the caretaker.
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Old 26th January 2002, 07:15 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Ah yes...... I remember him. Looked like a tattooed blond biker type with blue markings on his cheeks and neck.

Yes, it was Jack at the beginning that irritated me too. But what irritates me more is that they have the character doing that and then behaving like a soldier as if to say. "Hey! Look guys, this colonel is a mean, tough guy who gets the job done, but is human too and can fool around!" I'd have more respect if they showed him in the officer's mess playing a hectic game of carpet bowls on his night off. (A typical officer's game played at Regimental Dinners which rapidly degenerates as the night wears on! I have seen some officers and SNCO's in quite some states during and after!).

Henry Gibson, who played Marule, is quite a well known character actor. But those old enough to remember Rowan and Martin's Laugh In would remember him from that. He always tends to play aggrieved ' put upon' little characters. But then he has that sort of face!

Oh yes.... the shippers will read much into the intense exchanges through the force field between St Sam and Paladin Jack!! All sorts of meaningful things will be construed, when in fact, all Sam was trying to do was communicate with Jack that there WAS a plan (of sorts).

This again was just a messy episode which desperately tried to tie together the loose ends of something which didn't actually need tying together in the first place. Strange how they seem to leave so many decent and promising unfinished storylines alone and try to bring together things which might well have been best left alone or that didn't really need any further clarification.

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