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Dave · 14th June 2001, 12:56 PM

Given that the Enterprise is filled with Starfleet's best and brightest members, Wesley Crusher, who has difficulty even getting in to Starfleet Academy, comes up with the solution to this weeks problem SEVEN times:

He changes the tractor beam to a repulser beam in 'The Naked Now'.
He points out the similarity of wave forms in 'The Battle'.
He fixes the holodeck in 'The Big Goodbye'.
He figures out they could use a neutrino pulse to contact La Forge in 'The Enemy'.
He makes the crucial connection to yhe Elway Theorum in 'The High Ground'.
He recognizes Riker's signal in 'Menage a Troi'.
He notes the game's addictive nature in 'The Game'.

Annette · 14th June 2001, 01:07 PM

I quite liked Mr Crusher. Didn't like the way he looked in the early epps but liked him as the'older boy'.

I also enjoyed the episode 'The Game'. I thought he was quite the little genius in it along with the 'girl-friend'.

annette

Dave · 14th June 2001, 01:22 PM

I also rate 'The Game'. Funny that, because most fans don't like that one, especially the rabid Wesley-haters.

The fifth season episode 'The First Duty', when Wesley was involved in a cover-up and only confessed after being confronted by Picard, was better written. He seemed like a real person at last, and not just the kid.

The seventh season episode 'Journey's End' I still don't understand. He went off with the Traveller -- but has he become a Traveller himself? Does he still visit Mom?

Annette · 14th June 2001, 01:28 PM

I assumed he did go with the Traveller. I wonder if we'll ever find out what happened to ol'Wes.

annette

EmilyH · 14th June 2001, 06:50 PM

After a while, the "Wes saves the Enterprise" stories just kept getting silly. Ok, you can argue that he was supposed to be a boy genius, but he did not have any Starfleet training. You've got these command officers who have gone through the Academy and have years of experience. Any of them could easily have come up with Wesley's solutions, it just didn't suit the writers' needs.

Dave · 14th June 2001, 07:29 PM

Even back in 1987 after the show had only gone one season, fans of TNG found Wesley hard to take. I read that at a science fiction convention in Los Angeles in November of that year, a panel was held regarding the "Wesley problem". Imagine their surprise when Wil Wheaton turned up himself. They changed from being critical of Wesley to critical of the writers.

Gene Roddenberry seemed surprised at the criticism of Wesley, trying to explain it as him having only saving the Enterprise in a couple of scripts, but that they happened to be filmed close together, making it look like a repeating theme.

Wil Wheaton quickly became sensitive to the criticism in published interviews. It was obviously, at least one of the reasons he left.

That fact of the matter, was that the TNG staff really had no idea at the time how to write children.

EmilyH · 14th June 2001, 08:42 PM

At least, Voyager's staff was better at writing Naomi Wildman. Granted, she was ten years younger than Wes (at least), but she didn't go around saving the ship, despite her above-average intelligence, which they could have used as an excuse.

Dave · 15th June 2001, 06:11 AM

And the Borg children -- they are very well written. Icheb is very intelligent, even a genius, but I don't think that he ever saved Voyager on his own -- contributed, yes.

Neo · 17th June 2001, 06:41 PM

Yer did like the way they dealt with the kids on Voyager.... much more believeable...

Mellian · 20th June 2001, 08:21 PM

Okay I liked Wesley. I didn't always like the way his character was written but overall I liked him. I always had trouble understanding why everybody had a problem with him. Definelty didn't understand the last episode with him when he went off with the Traveler.

markpud · 21st June 2001, 01:10 PM

i liked "The Game", Wes with a girl interest was nice, and he only saved the day cos everyone was hooked already when he came on board...

as for "Journey's End" it was odd, i figured he dissapeared, never to be heard from again, i certainly dont imagine him turning up in a film.... maybe he'll go back in time to annoy is on "Enterprise"

Neo · 25th June 2001, 01:49 PM

WEll have u seen him laterly... I saw him in a really bad film... cant remember the name of it.. but he has put on a lot of weight... Like us all... i mean me but wont fit into that skimpy suit he used to have....

markpud · 28th June 2001, 12:01 PM

hehe the grey jumpsuit, or his cadet uniform

wikiberry · 12th July 2001, 05:28 AM

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Originally posted by stripe
...cute lil ole Wesley Crusher...

urgh!
yuck!
ick!
:dead:

don't like him!!!
he was much much better in 'stand by me' than as wes...

Qwxy · 18th August 2001, 06:43 AM

i blame the writers they just couldn't do it like the writers have for voyager. even Naomi was naive on some things like the planet in blink of an eye. so yes i hate wesley

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btw dont you think Naomi changed a LOT from the episode before Neelix leaves to the one where he did??? how long was the gap?!?!?!?!

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14th June 2001, 06:50 PM	#20 (permalink)
EmilyH MN Sci-fi Fan Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Eagan, MN, USA Posts: 550	Not at first, but... After a while, the "Wes saves the Enterprise" stories just kept getting silly. Ok, you can argue that he was supposed to be a boy genius, but he did not have any Starfleet training. You've got these command officers who have gone through the Academy and have years of experience. Any of them could easily have come up with Wesley's solutions, it just didn't suit the writers' needs.

14th June 2001, 08:42 PM	#22 (permalink)
EmilyH MN Sci-fi Fan Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Eagan, MN, USA Posts: 550	True. At least, Voyager's staff was better at writing Naomi Wildman. Granted, she was ten years younger than Wes (at least), but she didn't go around saving the ship, despite her above-average intelligence, which they could have used as an excuse.

14th June 2001, 12:56 PM	#16 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,596	Given that the Enterprise is filled with Starfleet's best and brightest members, Wesley Crusher, who has difficulty even getting in to Starfleet Academy, comes up with the solution to this weeks problem SEVEN times: He changes the tractor beam to a repulser beam in 'The Naked Now'. He points out the similarity of wave forms in 'The Battle'. He fixes the holodeck in 'The Big Goodbye'. He figures out they could use a neutrino pulse to contact La Forge in 'The Enemy'. He makes the crucial connection to yhe Elway Theorum in 'The High Ground'. He recognizes Riker's signal in 'Menage a Troi'. He notes the game's addictive nature in 'The Game'.

14th June 2001, 01:07 PM	#17 (permalink)
Annette This is Star - my honey!! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: West Midlands Posts: 5,944	I quite liked Mr Crusher. Didn't like the way he looked in the early epps but liked him as the'older boy'. I also enjoyed the episode 'The Game'. I thought he was quite the little genius in it along with the 'girl-friend'. annette

14th June 2001, 01:22 PM	#18 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,596	I also rate 'The Game'. Funny that, because most fans don't like that one, especially the rabid Wesley-haters. The fifth season episode 'The First Duty', when Wesley was involved in a cover-up and only confessed after being confronted by Picard, was better written. He seemed like a real person at last, and not just the kid. The seventh season episode 'Journey's End' I still don't understand. He went off with the Traveller -- but has he become a Traveller himself? Does he still visit Mom?

14th June 2001, 01:28 PM	#19 (permalink)
Annette This is Star - my honey!! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: West Midlands Posts: 5,944	I assumed he did go with the Traveller. I wonder if we'll ever find out what happened to ol'Wes. annette

14th June 2001, 07:29 PM	#21 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,596	Even back in 1987 after the show had only gone one season, fans of TNG found Wesley hard to take. I read that at a science fiction convention in Los Angeles in November of that year, a panel was held regarding the "Wesley problem". Imagine their surprise when Wil Wheaton turned up himself. They changed from being critical of Wesley to critical of the writers. Gene Roddenberry seemed surprised at the criticism of Wesley, trying to explain it as him having only saving the Enterprise in a couple of scripts, but that they happened to be filmed close together, making it look like a repeating theme. Wil Wheaton quickly became sensitive to the criticism in published interviews. It was obviously, at least one of the reasons he left. That fact of the matter, was that the TNG staff really had no idea at the time how to write children.

15th June 2001, 06:11 AM	#23 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 11,596	And the Borg children -- they are very well written. Icheb is very intelligent, even a genius, but I don't think that he ever saved Voyager on his own -- contributed, yes.

17th June 2001, 06:41 PM	#24 (permalink)
Neo Red Pixie Boot Wearer Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: North West UK Posts: 4,596	Yer did like the way they dealt with the kids on Voyager.... much more believeable...

20th June 2001, 08:21 PM	#25 (permalink)
Mellian Sothoii war maid Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Corning, New York, USA Posts: 597	Okay I liked Wesley. I didn't always like the way his character was written but overall I liked him. I always had trouble understanding why everybody had a problem with him. Definelty didn't understand the last episode with him when he went off with the Traveler.

21st June 2001, 01:10 PM	#26 (permalink)
markpud Super-Mod to the gods Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: with Buffy, in Manchester, England... Posts: 4,732	i liked "The Game", Wes with a girl interest was nice, and he only saved the day cos everyone was hooked already when he came on board... as for "Journey's End" it was odd, i figured he dissapeared, never to be heard from again, i certainly dont imagine him turning up in a film.... maybe he'll go back in time to annoy is on "Enterprise"

25th June 2001, 01:49 PM	#27 (permalink)
Neo Red Pixie Boot Wearer Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: North West UK Posts: 4,596	WEll have u seen him laterly... I saw him in a really bad film... cant remember the name of it.. but he has put on a lot of weight... Like us all... i mean me but wont fit into that skimpy suit he used to have....

28th June 2001, 12:01 PM	#28 (permalink)
markpud Super-Mod to the gods Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: with Buffy, in Manchester, England... Posts: 4,732	hehe the grey jumpsuit, or his cadet uniform

18th August 2001, 06:43 AM	#30 (permalink)
Qwxy The Star Trek Oracle Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: U.K in Basingstoke Posts: 280	i blame the writers they just couldn't do it like the writers have for voyager. even Naomi was naive on some things like the planet in blink of an eye. so yes i hate wesley sorta S P O I L E R A L E R T / Q U E S T I O N btw dont you think Naomi changed a LOT from the episode before Neelix leaves to the one where he did??? how long was the gap?!?!?!?!