Thread: Sir/sir again
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Old 6th July 2012, 12:23 PM   #11 (permalink)
Peter Graham
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Re: Sir/sir again

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Any advance on early 15th c?
Excellent! A myth debunked - thanks to Ursa and Yer Honour!

I will henceforth expunge this particular objection to James I.

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So I presume the same applies for guv/Guv?
Yes, but even more so. "Guv" is short for "governor", which is no longer a title in such wide circulation as once it was. You might capitalise the Governing Board of a school, but for coppers, it's far less formal. In fact, I've never heard it used by coppers outside The Sweeney, although it is more of a southern phrase than a northern one, so they might still use it Dahn Saaf. Up here, they,d say "sarge" or even "boss", but for the most part, it's nicknames*.

So, as it is an informal, almost slang mode of address, I'd part company with Her Honour and always spell it "guv". Same with the following regional methods of address:-

"Now then, squire." ("Hello" in demotic Lincolnshire).

"Alreet, lad?" ("Hello" in demotic Yorkshire).

"Awreet, marra? ("Hello" in demotic West Cumbrian).

"Areet, chaw?" ("Hello" in demotic North Cumbrian when addressing a young or middle aged man. For old men, subsitute "gadgie").

Regards,

Peter

* In common with established British nicknaming convention, all formed by chopping off any loose consonants at the end of the name and replacing with *y.
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