ST: X - Nemesis

[carrie221]

I really enjoyed this film and was glad that they finally were able to get married so that was my favorite part of it... since I had been asking for years are they ever really going to get back together and get married

[lordoftime]

Well it took the whole series but they did!

[pnx223]

Where Nemesis Made It:Nemesis made a social underpinning on the cloning issue, and I think that this simply wasn't appreciated because that issue has died down in recent years. I think approached from that angle it turns out to be much better, but the problem once again was that it wasn't as pertinent an issue, Trek 6 did so well because the fall of the soviet union and the nuclear meltdown incident made for a fantastic analog into klingons. I think a trek that approached terrorism would have fared much better since these societal analogs are very much a part of the strength of the franchise.The other part that I loved in enmesis that makes me watch it along with Wrath of Khan is that it comes with a starship showdown, which doesn't happen in trek as often as i'd like, but then again low supply creates high demand. It was also cool to see a ramming manuever since I'd never seen it in trek before, and it was a nice treat since the cube fight in first contact was so short (although admittedly WAY sweet).I dunno if this was meant as a joke, but on the planet in the 4 wheeler Data makes a comment about Picard driving too fast and he just laughs in a way I found somewhat madcap, and it makes me laugh.I liked the music during Picards race/struggle with Shinzon to the theleron matrix. Sorta bondy.The Valdore type warbirds are the sexiest space ships I've ever seen, and I want to see more of them.where Nemesis failedeana using her powers to target a cloaked vessel was a little.. over the top for what we've been told a betazoid can do in star trek, and although I thought that the lighting to show the use of ability was a cool look visually, it turned out a little bit too.. superhero for my taste. Although "remember me" was a cool badass moment for her similar to worfs "assimilate this" line, or kirks "here it comes" line.Whent he Enterprise went to warp it left a blue plasma or ion trail of some kind that seemed to emanate from the nacelles, and although I know it's sorta sad that I know that much about star trek warp physics, that simply isn't how they work, nor is it the way that they worked in the previous two films and that's a continuity failure for the sake of an admittedly cool special effect.I would have liked to see a few more romulans, I've always likes them and it would have been nice to see a Romulus on a movie budget, apart from jsut the Capitol models.Where Nemesis left me unfulfilled:I was raised on next gen and the idea of spock dying was pretty rough for the generation that was rasied on him, and after Nemesis I think I understand it better. When they blew up Data, I felt like the little inquisitive robot in me got blown up too, and the B4 didn't help me feel any better about it.

[Whitestar]

An article on the SyFy Portal site featured Brent Spiner's comments on Star Trek: Nemesis's failure and his views on fans:

Brent Spiner: Star Trek's Failure Is Fans' Fault

by Michael Hinman

If blame is going to be tossed around about why "Star Trek: Nemesis" was such a huge failure, you need to start with the fans.

At least that's what Brent Spiner, who played Data in "Star Trek: The Next Generation" and the subsequent movies, told the official Star Trek Magazine, as first reported by Sci-Fi Pulse.

"We worked on the story with the intention of making it for the fans," Spiner said. "With every Star Trek movie prior to that, we tried to find a way to bridge the gap between the fans and the general public. With 'Nemesis' we said, 'Forget that! Let's make a movie for the fans, because that's the people who actually go to see the films.' And what happened? They didn't go!
"Usually the films opened big, even if they had a lot of competition, but 'Nemesis' didn't even do that. That was a message from the fans that they were done with us."

"Star Trek: Nemesis" opened on Dec. 15, 2002, just days before "The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers" opened. The film made $18.5 million on opening weekend, and did a total American box office of $43.1 million.

In comparison, the previous movie -- "Star Trek: Insurrection" -- had an opening day box office of $22 million in 1998, going on to gross $70.1 million.
Spiner says he's all for restarting the Star Trek franchise, however, despite his previous comments on J.J. Abrams' idea for Star Trek XI.

"I think they're right to start a new movie franchise that will hopefully spawn a new series that will spawn new movies," Spiner said.

SyFy Portal

What a jerk! It's a shame I feel that way because I've always enjoyed Brent Spiner's work aside from Star Trek. I used to have respect for him, but now for him to say that its the fans fault is way out of line. If anyone should be blamed for Nemesis's failure it's partly him, afterall, he was the one who co-wrote the crappy script! The Next Gen cast had a decent run on tv for seven seasons and had only one good flick, Star Trek: First Contact, but all the rest were more like standalone episodes which were crap. They had their chance to be at least equal to TOS cast success but they blew it. Serves them right, good riddens. It's time to give J.J. Abram a chance and if the new film tanks, Star Trek should take a much deserved break. Thoughts anyone?

[palooka]

Originally Posted by Whitestar

afterall, he was the one who co-wrote the crappy script!

That little tidbit certainly makes it difficult to take the rant seriously. Still, we all rationalize at times.

[The Ace]

"Right with you Whitestar."

[Joel007]

I'd always hear that Brent wasnt a very nice person despite his characters. I always thought I detected a hint of glee when he played any malicious scenes.

[HappyHippo]

ooh, I'm gutted! I always liked Brent Spiner

Nemesis was phenomenally atrocious though, but all the advance stuff didn't rally make you want to go and see it, did it? I remember watching a special on TV and thinking that Jean-Luc's clone wasn't very like him for someone with the same dna pattern. And when I actually watched it, I couldn't be bothered to try and follow the (lack of) plot.

It's so unfair to blame this on the fans, as Trekkers are some of the most loyal fans in fandom. Blame it on a badly concieved and executed plot which should have been blasted into deep space.

[Shrek Baby]

I am fed up of Nemesis (and while I'm on the subject - Enterprise) bashing!!!

No-one can get it right every time. There is only one movie in the Trek 10 that I find difficult to watch through lack of enjoyment and that is the first. Even that has some pretty damn good points.

There is nothing so badly wrong with Nemesis. I think a lot of people were expecting something different and are overly critical. It was engaging, fast paced, dynamic in both storytelling and character development and it had some of the most memorable action sequences in any film.

Ian8781 had it right when he said "The only thing that went wrong with Nemesis is that is was released alongside Bond#20 and Harry Potter#3". It should have been released at another time when it had less high-profile competition.

It's certainly not the best film and does make some mistakes, but it's just a film! There are many aspects about the whole Star Trek canon which imho the producers have got dead wrong - but the more people complain and criticise, the more likely it is that the series will be cancelled altogether.

Does anyone really want this?