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Diamond9697 · 10th September 2001, 04:30 PM

okay...back to the evil guys we all know and hate...well except maybe Kronos...

Speaking of which...did anybody else think that they killed him off way to easily?

Highlander II · 10th September 2001, 05:38 PM

well - Kronos DID live through 2 whole eps! which is more than can be said for most of the other baddies who didn't get locked in jail!

did ya notice that too? they seemed to lock a bunch of bad guys in jail - why?? ummmm - wouldn't that get kinda suspicious? this dude's been in jail for like 50 years and looks the same as he did when he was first thrown in ????

anyway -- yeah - since Kronos was supposed to be this badass who was like 3000 years old, give or take, Duncan took him out pretty easily --- Caspian too, for that matter --

Methos kinda whacked Silas w/o too much trouble, but Silas was something of a simpleton, so he may not have run around head-hunting during the last 1000 years (as i suspect Kronos probably did) --

hmmmm-- how old was Kalas supposed to be? just over 1000? and he was pretty bad - took Duncan a couple tries to whack him - and Kalas was pretty ticked when he got out of jail - tho why Amanda broke him out, i'm still trying to grasp that one -- so, Kronos - who hasn't been able to take over the world for the last 1000 or so years, he's a bit upset and wants to take over now, and Duncan wants to stop him??? i think Kronos would put up one heck of a fight ----

Diamond9697 · 10th September 2001, 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by Highlander II
well - Kronos DID live through 2 whole eps! which is more than can be said for most of the other baddies who didn't get locked in jail!

did ya notice that too? they seemed to lock a bunch of bad guys in jail - why?? ummmm - wouldn't that get kinda suspicious? this dude's been in jail for like 50 years and looks the same as he did when he was first thrown in ????

anyway -- yeah - since Kronos was supposed to be this badass who was like 3000 years old, give or take, Duncan took him out pretty easily --- Caspian too, for that matter --

Methos kinda whacked Silas w/o too much trouble, but Silas was something of a simpleton, so he may not have run around head-hunting during the last 1000 years (as i suspect Kronos probably did) --

hmmmm-- how old was Kalas supposed to be? just over 1000? and he was pretty bad - took Duncan a couple tries to whack him - and Kalas was pretty ticked when he got out of jail - tho why Amanda broke him out, i'm still trying to grasp that one -- so, Kronos - who hasn't been able to take over the world for the last 1000 or so years, he's a bit upset and wants to take over now, and Duncan wants to stop him??? i think Kronos would put up one heck of a fight ----

Yeah...I always wondered about that too. I always figured that they just eventually got killed on purpose or something*shrugs*

Yeah...400 years old and he whacks Kronos and Caspian with less trouble than he did some of the younger guys...Kalas for example. I mean I realize that he's the star and all, but get real. Caspian was locked in a looney bin for who knows how long to granted he might have been rusty. But Kronos was out and you just know that that boy is a headhunter. and he has had tons of time to practice. I just find it a bit hard to swallow.

markpud · 13th September 2001, 10:42 PM

I agree Duncan killed Kronos far too easily. It would seem they only killed him off so he could come back to haunt DUncan in later episodes

Highlander II · 14th September 2001, 02:46 PM

yes yes -- Duncan is the main character so he must prevail everywhere and win every fight -- blah blah blah --

i know - we kinda bash Duncan a bit here - but that's the fault of the PTB over at Highlander - DPP --- but - anyway --

Kronos - tough guy -- should not have fallen so easliy -- yeah, Duncan faced him 2x's -- but he didn't weaken Kronos enough the first time for the 2nd time to be easier --- were there some tricks Duncan learned to make Kronos easier to beat??

Kalas - who's actually one of my fave baddies - he's just kinda fun -- Duncan had some trouble w/ this guy -- he was pretty determined to blackmail and defeat Duncan -- and he'd taken quite a few heads in his time ---

okay - changing direction here -- is there an actual correlation (forget what they said in Endgame b/c that was irrelevant - bad plot device - anyway)-- btwn the number of heads taken by an immie and the 'size' of his/her power?? *OR* is it the 'quality' of the quickening???

ie: if Connor whacks some really old dude - The Kurgan - does he get a 'better'/stronger quickening than if he were to whack Richie??

or if Connor kills 100 immies and Duncan kills 100 immies they're at the same 'power' level b/c they have killed the same # of immies??

i know - what a great question----

Diamond9697 · 14th September 2001, 05:48 PM

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Originally posted by Highlander II

okay - changing direction here -- is there an actual correlation (forget what they said in Endgame b/c that was irrelevant - bad plot device - anyway)-- btwn the number of heads taken by an immie and the 'size' of his/her power?? *OR* is it the 'quality' of the quickening???

ie: if Connor whacks some really old dude - The Kurgan - does he get a 'better'/stronger quickening than if he were to whack Richie??

or if Connor kills 100 immies and Duncan kills 100 immies they're at the same 'power' level b/c they have killed the same # of immies??

i know - what a great question----

Okay...I always thought that the strentgth of a quickening would depend on both how strong the immprtal was and thier age...since the older you were chances are the more heads you've taken. SO if Connor were to whack The Kurgan he would get a more powerful quickening than if he whacked Richie because 1. Richie hasn't been around very long and 2. He hasn't taken that many head yet. Now if someone were to take a bunch of quickenings from a bunch of young imortals it would add up over time, but one quickening from an older more experienced immortal should dtill be more powerful...if that makes any sense...

Highlander II · 14th September 2001, 06:35 PM

well - that's what i was thinking too - but it's not what they said in Endgame (which is i why i said ignore it for the purposes of my question)

big powerful immie quickening = big powerful transfer

b/c they say that the quickening is basically the 'essence' of the immie -- if Methos takes a head he gets the 'knowledge and strength' (Duncan's words - Free Fall) of that immie - so, that would mean that the quickening of a really old immie would be more 'powerful' than that of a really young immie - knowledge and stregth would be greater based on experience ---

(am i rambling yet?)

markpud · 17th September 2001, 10:15 PM

well i have the advantage of not having seen Endgame so I dont know what they said there.. but i always got the impresssion that it was different strength quickenings from diff immies. So getting Kurgan is a more powerful quickening then getting Ritchie (ie Kurgan was the most powerful of immies which is why Conner got a super-quickening from him in H-I

)
So a immie who had taken the heads of older immies who themselves have taken lots of heads, gives a big power and experience boost to the taker.

As for Conner vs Duncan's strengths (again ignoring what happened in Endgame) Conner has Kurgan, and therfore Ramirez, also dude from planet Ziest and the sorcerer dude from HIII. Duncan has Kronos, Kalas and hundreds of others, so they must be pretty even...

Highlander II · 18th September 2001, 12:24 PM

and remember -- we don't have all the info on Connor's past - we have NO idea how many he's killed since 1536 -- there are 400 years worth of heads in there ---

and Connor should have had Slan Quince's head - but the writers made him wimpy and he couldn't do it ----

oh - and Connor is SO not dead!!!!

markpud · 19th September 2001, 01:09 PM

yeah no way.

Highlander II · 19th September 2001, 01:49 PM

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yeah no way.

exactly!!!!

hmmmm ---

anything else from the series we can discuss???

hmmm -- how many women did Duncan sleep with starting in season 3?? (b/c in 1 and 2, well, it's just Tessa mostly)

markpud · 19th September 2001, 02:21 PM

erm.. he got some immortaly bootie from Amanda (i think she showed up in s3..)
and plenty more...

Highlander II · 19th September 2001, 02:50 PM

well - Amanda showed up for the first time in Season 1, then she had an ep in season 2 shortly after Tessa died --- then a couple more --

oh - and this was a discussion question, b/c i have NO idea how many women there were ---

i know Michelle Webster tried, and there was Ceirdwyn, whom we don't know much about, so i don't know if she was a lover of Duncan's or not ----

ummmmmm --- anyone else in season 3????

Diamond9697 · 22nd September 2001, 05:46 PM

I'm not sure who all Duncam slept with...all I know is it was a whole lot of em...and I find this quite amusing in that you are talking about this in the villians thread

Highlander II · 22nd September 2001, 11:46 PM

well - i guess they kinda are villains ---

we could start a 'Duncan's Women' thread -----

10th September 2001, 04:30 PM	#76 (permalink)
Diamond9697 Lookin Good Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,872	okay...back to the evil guys we all know and hate...well except maybe Kronos... Speaking of which...did anybody else think that they killed him off way to easily?

10th September 2001, 05:38 PM	#77 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 9,482	well - Kronos DID live through 2 whole eps! which is more than can be said for most of the other baddies who didn't get locked in jail! did ya notice that too? they seemed to lock a bunch of bad guys in jail - why?? ummmm - wouldn't that get kinda suspicious? this dude's been in jail for like 50 years and looks the same as he did when he was first thrown in ???? anyway -- yeah - since Kronos was supposed to be this badass who was like 3000 years old, give or take, Duncan took him out pretty easily --- Caspian too, for that matter -- Methos kinda whacked Silas w/o too much trouble, but Silas was something of a simpleton, so he may not have run around head-hunting during the last 1000 years (as i suspect Kronos probably did) -- hmmmm-- how old was Kalas supposed to be? just over 1000? and he was pretty bad - took Duncan a couple tries to whack him - and Kalas was pretty ticked when he got out of jail - tho why Amanda broke him out, i'm still trying to grasp that one -- so, Kronos - who hasn't been able to take over the world for the last 1000 or so years, he's a bit upset and wants to take over now, and Duncan wants to stop him??? i think Kronos would put up one heck of a fight ----

13th September 2001, 10:42 PM	#79 (permalink)
markpud Super-Mod to the gods Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: with Buffy, in Manchester, England... Posts: 4,732	I agree Duncan killed Kronos far too easily. It would seem they only killed him off so he could come back to haunt DUncan in later episodes

14th September 2001, 02:46 PM	#80 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 9,482	yes yes -- Duncan is the main character so he must prevail everywhere and win every fight -- blah blah blah -- i know - we kinda bash Duncan a bit here - but that's the fault of the PTB over at Highlander - DPP --- but - anyway -- Kronos - tough guy -- should not have fallen so easliy -- yeah, Duncan faced him 2x's -- but he didn't weaken Kronos enough the first time for the 2nd time to be easier --- were there some tricks Duncan learned to make Kronos easier to beat?? Kalas - who's actually one of my fave baddies - he's just kinda fun -- Duncan had some trouble w/ this guy -- he was pretty determined to blackmail and defeat Duncan -- and he'd taken quite a few heads in his time --- okay - changing direction here -- is there an actual correlation (forget what they said in Endgame b/c that was irrelevant - bad plot device - anyway)-- btwn the number of heads taken by an immie and the 'size' of his/her power?? OR is it the 'quality' of the quickening??? ie: if Connor whacks some really old dude - The Kurgan - does he get a 'better'/stronger quickening than if he were to whack Richie?? or if Connor kills 100 immies and Duncan kills 100 immies they're at the same 'power' level b/c they have killed the same # of immies?? i know - what a great question----

14th September 2001, 06:35 PM	#82 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 9,482	well - that's what i was thinking too - but it's not what they said in Endgame (which is i why i said ignore it for the purposes of my question) big powerful immie quickening = big powerful transfer b/c they say that the quickening is basically the 'essence' of the immie -- if Methos takes a head he gets the 'knowledge and strength' (Duncan's words - Free Fall) of that immie - so, that would mean that the quickening of a really old immie would be more 'powerful' than that of a really young immie - knowledge and stregth would be greater based on experience --- (am i rambling yet?)

17th September 2001, 10:15 PM	#83 (permalink)
markpud Super-Mod to the gods Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: with Buffy, in Manchester, England... Posts: 4,732	well i have the advantage of not having seen Endgame so I dont know what they said there.. but i always got the impresssion that it was different strength quickenings from diff immies. So getting Kurgan is a more powerful quickening then getting Ritchie (ie Kurgan was the most powerful of immies which is why Conner got a super-quickening from him in H-I ) So a immie who had taken the heads of older immies who themselves have taken lots of heads, gives a big power and experience boost to the taker. As for Conner vs Duncan's strengths (again ignoring what happened in Endgame) Conner has Kurgan, and therfore Ramirez, also dude from planet Ziest and the sorcerer dude from HIII. Duncan has Kronos, Kalas and hundreds of others, so they must be pretty even...

18th September 2001, 12:24 PM	#84 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 9,482	and remember -- we don't have all the info on Connor's past - we have NO idea how many he's killed since 1536 -- there are 400 years worth of heads in there --- and Connor should have had Slan Quince's head - but the writers made him wimpy and he couldn't do it ---- oh - and Connor is SO not dead!!!!

19th September 2001, 01:09 PM	#85 (permalink)
markpud Super-Mod to the gods Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: with Buffy, in Manchester, England... Posts: 4,732	yeah no way.

19th September 2001, 02:21 PM	#87 (permalink)
markpud Super-Mod to the gods Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: with Buffy, in Manchester, England... Posts: 4,732	erm.. he got some immortaly bootie from Amanda (i think she showed up in s3..) and plenty more...

19th September 2001, 02:50 PM	#88 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 9,482	well - Amanda showed up for the first time in Season 1, then she had an ep in season 2 shortly after Tessa died --- then a couple more -- oh - and this was a discussion question, b/c i have NO idea how many women there were --- i know Michelle Webster tried, and there was Ceirdwyn, whom we don't know much about, so i don't know if she was a lover of Duncan's or not ---- ummmmmm --- anyone else in season 3????

22nd September 2001, 05:46 PM	#89 (permalink)
Diamond9697 Lookin Good Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,872	I'm not sure who all Duncam slept with...all I know is it was a whole lot of em...and I find this quite amusing in that you are talking about this in the villians thread

22nd September 2001, 11:46 PM	#90 (permalink)
Highlander II There can be only one!! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 9,482	well - i guess they kinda are villains --- we could start a 'Duncan's Women' thread -----