T3: Rise of the Machines (2003)

[Tabitha]

Just heard at Gatecon today that Jay Acovone (Kawalksy in SG1) has shot a small part in this film. And yes, he dies He made some crack that everyone in the movie dies apart from Arnold, so it isn't just his characters' notorious bad luck coming into play again!

[Dave]

SCIFI WIRE -- Nick Stahl, who takes over the role of John Connor in the upcoming Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, told SCI FI Wire that the character is now 10 years older and has become a loner. "His whole sort of domestic life has changed," Stahl said in a conference-call interview. "He lives on his own, kind of outside conventional means, like a house. He kind of lives off the grid. And sort of keeps to himself and is very private, and ... the memories of what's happened 10 years ago are still very fresh. So he's very guarded and wary of technology."

Stahl added that the character {originally played by Edward Furlong in 1991's Terminator 2: Judgment Day} still hasn't evolved into the rebel leader glimpsed in T2. "He's not [the great military leader]," Stahl said. "In his mind, he's really no more of a leader than he was 10 years ago."

Stahl, who is best known for his critically acclaimed role in last year's In the Bedroom, said it was challenging taking on a role in a big-budget Hollywood movie. "The one thing about this type of movie I discovered is that you shoot something 100 different ways, so every time you do anything physical, you're going to do it over and over again," he said. "That can get somewhat taxing if you're not prepared for it, but there was a little physical training involved beforehand. I was trying to be very physically prepared for the role a couple months previously and did some training with weapons that I was going to be using in the movie {different hand-guns and things like that} so it was all really fun, actually. It was all really new for me, but I just had fun with it. It wasn't that tough at the end of the day." Stahl co-stars with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Claire Danes in Terminator 3, which recently wrapped principal photography and is slated for a July 2, 2003, release.

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"Well, his whole sort of domestic life has changed. He lives on his own now; he kind of lives kind of the grid I guess. He sort of keeps to himself and is very private and still has the memories of what happened 10 years ago, which are still fresh with him. So, he's very guarded and kind of weary of technology. He's no more of a leader, in his mind. He's no more of a leader he was 10 years ago". Stahl also talked a bit about further films in the series: "We already discussed that option and I'd love to, but I guess it's really up to 'them' to do another film, but YES, I would love to do another Terminator movie. Basically there are options for everybody to return in T3".

[Dave]

Danes Talks T3

SCIFI WIRE -- Claire Danes, who co-stars in the upcoming sequel Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, told UGO.com that her character will see some action in the film. "I never did a genre of that kind and on that scale. I was pretty overwhelmed," she said in an interview while promoting her latest film, The Hours. "I play Kate Miller. She's a veterinarian and she's engaged to kind of a conservative kind of guy, and the Terminator abducts her. John Connor comes to save her and adventures unfold."

While the actress wouldn't divulge the exact nature of her adventures, she told the site that Kate is not unlike Sigourney Weaver's character Ripley in the Alien films. "I do have awesome lines, but I'm sworn to secrecy. I'm pretty impressive in it."

This is something I'm looking forward to now.

[matrixfreak]

I'm suprised there are no posts since the movie was released last weekend. I felt it was the best Terminator yet. There's just one thing that's been bugging me about the movie.

John Conner realizes that Skynet is all software running on computers all over the world via the internet. So, how then did Skynet not take a major hit when the nukes fell, destroying the humans, computers and everything else. Not to mention that a nuclear blast emits huge amounts of electromagnetic radiation which would shut down the electrical grids that power the computers that weren't destroyed in the blast.

One other thing that confused me. When Arnie first steals a vehicle, he finds the keys in the visor like John taught him, but they put in a scene of him hotwiring the truck anyway. What's up with that?

Otherwise a felt it was a great action flick!

Any other thoughts or comments about the movie?

[Dave]

I can't get to see it yet (UK) but...

I'll be back...

[seventhswami]

You know why nobody has commented on the movie yet? Because it was the worst excuse for a Terminator flick I could've imagined. I was so sad after watching that dumb movie... I'm sure that's where everybody... at home crying. I hope nobody gets too offended here, but how dumb do the producers and screenwriters think we are anyway?

My list of gripes (sorry... spoilers included)

1: James Cameron didn't even want to do this film... oh and at what a price! This had the feel and emotion of a made-for-tv film. The ominous tour-de-force that visionary James Cameron had in mind is 100% lost in this film. I can't believe how thoroughly and uttery they annihilated this series with this poor poor sequel.

2: The soundtrack... what happened to the kick-@$$ industrial/orchestral Terminator soundtrack that we all associate with the films? At least in T2, the music matched the emotion. The T3 soundtrack was a commercial for pop music.... BAD pop music, at that.

3: The script... BLEW! There were more holes in that story that I could count! Let's forget the most important hole at all... that they couldn't even have done enough homework to figure out what model number Arnold was... (It was supposed to be the T-800, right?) Like, where the hell was everybody in that base/fallout shelter that they found in the end. They just waltzed on in, eh? And since when does the SWAT team take a break from shooting up the car you're in, to let you have a heartfelt conversation? I swear the coffin and the hearse were both bulletproof...

4: They were SO trying to be SO cool.... Arnold blocking bullets with a coffin on his way to the hearse (oooh coool) The TX made her boobs enlarge to escape from police... (shouldn't a terminator have just killed the guy?) ... and on that note... "T-X?" I highly doubt that an computer intelligence would deviate from their numbering convetion... T-800... T-1000.... T-X? It's just another marketing scheme like all the "X" marketing schemes that popped up since Generation"X" and the "X" games... "Hey guys... how do we WOW the idiots on earth with this movie... What COOOL by today's standards? I KNOW! The new terminator will be a GIRL and we'll call her the T-X!" Pukeworthy... really really pukeworthy...


5: Speaking of marketing... how about the most gargantuan, most pathetic, most annoying, most out-of-place product placement in the history of hollywood? Xenadrene EFX... a name I will never forget. I swear they had that logo on the side of that blue trailer, jackknifed in the middle of the road, and AS BIG AS THE MOVIE SCREEN and focused on it for what felt like an eon... So I guess it worked as planned huh? I remembered the name... They might as well have stopped the movie and had a commercial. What's worse is that they put the T-X in front of it as an example of what diet pills like Xenadrene make you look like. With the number of young children going to watch this movie, I simply fear for the women of tomorrow... I felt dirty after watching that scene... just flat-out dirty... stay off the diet pills kiddies... Remember... it's legal dope. Nothing more.

6: Arnold got his leathers off a gay burlesque dancer. Arnold went out to save the world wearing the clothers of a gay burlesque dancer. How can you take a cyborg seriously when he has the clothes of a gay burlesque dancer. "Talk to da hahnd." what a crock.

The only good thing I will say about this movie is that the ending was decent. But an ending is nothing without a movie to support it. I can hardly believe that they cared so little about keeping the story that they would've allowed for such shallow character development and b-llsh-t coincidence to help the story along. John just happens to be caught stealing drugs from the girl he first kissed and whose dad works for skynet?" Too clean. Too stupid. Too adolescent for anything short of a Pokemon movie... I only wish I could get sent back in time to terminate any dreams of producing this sequel.

Thank you and good night.
~ Swami.


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[brian]

It's just out in the UK at the moment, but we still haven't had a babysitter for Matrix-Reloaded yet - maybe this week??.

Anyway, I'm simply curious of the impressions from anyone who's actually seen T3 - does it stand well either on its own, or in conjunction with the other films? Or is T3 simply an expensive and pointless cash-cow?

[Twelve]

T3 is a FUN movie. You'll be entertained from beginning to end. As far as I'm concerned, that's what a movie should be. Who cares if the plot has been the same for all three Terminator movies. (smile)

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[brian]

Ah - you're probably right. I can be a real snob when it comes to film, but at the moment even just fun is quite appealing. As I've never subscribed to a deep and meaningful exploration of the Terminator universe, I'm sure there won't be any real criticism on that front.

[snlash]

Okay, here is my opinion on the T3 movie (i know I am setting myself up for some major flaming probably). Okay, first let me say, please ignore the fact that I am obviously female. I enjoy a good "blow everything to pieces" movie as much as the next guy.

But in my opinion, T3 could have done a lot better. Some of the action sequences were good, but it was basically the same exact plot, lines, and even jokes - all over again. There was virtually no new material. It was great seeing Arnie again in a Terminator flick, but the rest of the cast (especially using Claire Danes), just ruined the whole idea. To me it seems they were doing what the Karate Kid people did with theirs when they brought a woman in as the main character. It would have been a lot better if they could have come up with an original plot line for this one.

All in all, its okay for an action flick...I mean, there have been MUCH worse movies made (*cough* feardotcom *cough*), but the 1st & 2nd ones were much better done in my humble opinion

[Arc_Angel]

I just saw this film yesterday and thought it was quite good. There was more action, smashing and bashing up of scenery and obviously cost a lot more to make. The sotryline seemed to follow well and the baddie was a tough gal to beat (I personally prefer the baddie form T2 as he was more scary to me!).
I liked the ending also, pretty much expected it though

Has anyone else seen this film, and what did you think of it?

[Tabitha]

I saw this on preview night at my local Warner Village. I had been labouring under the assumption that preview night was something that only movie geeks and big time fans went in for, boy was I wrong. The audience was full of drunken teenagers on dates, chatting and giggling all the way through the film. I think perhaps I might have enjoyed the picture a lot more without these distractions.

As it was, I found the movie to be of two star quality (cliches, cliches, cliches) until the final few minutes. Once the Terminators had been disposed of I was genuinely amazed at the direction the story took, and this very downbeat way of ending the film was its saving grace. I only wish there had been another five or ten minutes of story after this point.

[mac1]

Please stop me now - holding back a rant ...... ... ..desperately.

T3 was a trailer for T4.

Look no rant..... thats not like me.........

just waiting to explode!

[mac1]

Sorry but rant really required

OK... .. ... please excuse my endulgance.

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T3 is a FUN movie. You'll be entertained from beginning to end. As far as I'm concerned, that's what a movie should be. Who cares if the plot has been the same for all three Terminator movies.

Terminator and T2 both had magnificient plots, that intertwined perfectly with very few continuity errors, the time-paradoxes were intellegently addressed and made sense. Yes "T3 is a FUN movie", it's also a DUMB movie. For a start everything T2 established about the continuity of time (i.e. "the future is an open road" speech at the end) was destroyed by T3. Apparantly the future can't be changed, but it can be posponed - how the hell does that make sense! As my mate Mark so beautifully put it "James Cameron's career must be turning in its grave". Indeed after the "disaster" movie Titanic Cameron probably couldn't sink much lower in my estimation, but even he had the sense to turn down this script. I think that the saddest thing is, the audience loved it.

But in my opinion, T3 could have done a lot better. Some of the action sequences were good, but it was basically the same exact plot, lines, and even jokes - all over again. There was virtually no new material. It was great seeing Arnie again in a Terminator flick, but the rest of the cast (especially using Claire Danes), just ruined the whole idea. To me it seems they were doing what the Karate Kid people did with theirs when they brought a woman in as the main character.

I 100% wholeheartedly agree, but I'd of put it much harsher. I agree that some of the action sequences were good, in particular the one in which Arnie is hanging from the crane kicking through buildings. I too am a fan of good "blow everything to pieces" movies, what Arnie fan isn't, Commando being an obvious example of how to do a great "blow everything to pieces" movie. However the Terminator franchise has always been a well thought-out franchise, with even the amusment ride showing continuity to the 2 original film, there is absolutely no need to make a "blow everything to pieces" movie out of T3, and even if thats how its meant to be taken, there wasn't even enough "blowing **** up" to appreciate the film on a Commando level. The whole female Terminator thing was pathetic too (now don't get me wrong, I'm not being sexist) but I think it was simply a case of sex sells. Remember the film had a 12 rating, making the youngest of those to see the film not even born when T2 came out, so rather than try to sell the film to a 12-15 audience of the many merits of its predecessors, it would appear the filmmakers have simply included an attractive young star to "woo" its newly targeted younger teenage audience (the 2 previous films being 18 and 15 rated, respectively). The whole Claire Danes fate-brought-us-together-because-this-is-hollywood-subplot was attrocious at best. Can Hollywood not produce anything where the 2 main characters haven't somehow magically met a decade earlier, the whole premise has worn very thin by now. I feel sorry for Arnie really, this should have been his huge comeback film, and he really does look like he did in T2. The guy is in his 50's and has undergone major heart surgery and then built his body back up to the condition it was in in 1991 (despite a huge amount of medical disapproval) only to be fed a script like this - it's no wonder Linda Hamilton wouldn't touch the film with a 10 foot barge-pole.

I think the only redeemable feature in the whole film (bar Arnie obviously) had to be the ending, and it would have worked even without the rest of the plot-irradications. It was somewhat unexpected, and very downbeat for a Hollywood film, however even still, there was no aftermath scenes, which more-or-less made it a trailer for the next film.

Unfortunately the general consensus seems to be one of mass approval, so I expect T4 and T5 (both of which are confirmed) to be equally soul-destroying. I'm not holding my breath for them........

P.S. And on an incredibly nerdy geeky nitpicking footnote
Question - How do you make a Terminator thats made out of 100% liquid metal more advanced?
Answer - Put a skeleton inside it.
(Yeah that was a nerdy point - but a valid one)

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Now nobody mention T3 again - LOL

[Twelve]

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Now nobody mention T3 again - LOL

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OK. You won't ever find me debating about films too often.


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