9th Chevron

[Sean3w]

Hey, Did anyone ever think that the 9th chevron could pinpoint and new distance just as the 8th chevron did? It would make sense that it would because each of the symbols designates a point in space. What if the 8th chevron designates what galaxy and the the 9th would help designate what section of the universe. Makes more sense than, no offense, than it being a way to travel time.

[MICSG7]

What you say might be right but you have to remember that euronda had a symbol to target it that matches its origin symbol (pisces austrinus)

[mordy]

Your probably right shaun it seems more realistic

[shazstar]

The theory of time travel is a "far reaching" one, I concur, however, to travel "backwards in time" is a different story all-together. Let me see if I can explain what my imagination is telling me, backed up by my avid but yet to be advanced knowledge of astrophysics.

We know that seven chevrons connect to a "local" area network, to describe our galaxy. the eighth we have discovered leads us further......how much further, or in what dimension is speculation. However, a ninth symbol, could, in conjunction with Hubbles theory of an expanding universe, triangulate a point closer (in terms) to the original point of the Big Bang, the hypothesised origin of the universe. (Hubble's theory is best explained by using a balloon as an example, imagine drawing little dots all over a uninflated balloon and then inflating it, the dots become further apart.) Using this theory, if the stargate could establish a wormhole reaching such a point closer to the "origin" of the universe, we therefore, would be travelling backwards, or closer to the origin of time, (time as a fourth dimension in space.)

So relative "time travel", meaning, our earth, our planets particular frame of reference, is not quite the whole idea of travelling backwards in time if you consider that time is a fourth dimension. Travelling such a distance that you are closer to the origin of time therefore can be viewed as time travel.

If you have lost the plot along there somewhere, don't worry I did too, (every time I think of this it takes me ages, cause I have to go back and provem, or at least satisfy, my explanations with a reasonable scientific theory.)

[mordy]

Very Well Explained

[shazstar]

Thanks. hypothesised though. A theory explanation based on current theories.

[Neo]

Just about got all that

[shazstar]

you mean someone doesn't think i'm nuts after reading that....cool, i feel proud.

[Dendarah]

hi, :rolly2: I'm new to ascifi/stargate forum and I was just browsing around seeing what info is on stargate, and this thread caught my attention. The ninth chevron has caught my eye as well as the ideas about time travel and galaxy clusters are all great ideas, but the answer might be more far fetched. Alright I'm gonna get techniqual now so hold on. A possible answer lies in the works of Einstein in his theory of relativity and the great minds after him in quantum physics such as Stephan Hawking. The wormhole idea in the physics community actually takes wormhole travel out of our universe and into others. This theory stems from blackholes (Thought to be the mother of wormholes in theories).

There are two ways the universal wormhole theory could work in Stargate application (1) The ninth chevron is used in a new calculation in which it is able to send the outgoing wormhole into the blackhole (not the event horizon but directly to the blackholes singularity. If the wormhole did successfully get to the singularity without it being forced into the event horizon first, time space would stop the wormhole and the occupance inside would be stretched to the width of thread and in no time at all be sent throught the singularity into another universe. Problem: you would have to be in capsules or in a ship(pushing it I know) because there aren't going to be stargates on the other side you could activate from a universe, that would need another 8 chevrons on the Stargate if a stargate system existed. (2) The ninth chevron is activated and another calculation is made in gravity, speed, and energy in order to cause and infinite gravity, pressure, and temperature to occur taring through the fabric of space as a blackhole but this time the wormhole is the blackhole, and when the wormhole is disengaged no infinite gravity will be sustained and the blackhole will calapse (hopefully). Same restriction would apply with capsules and ships since the same problem would be faced with possibility one as number two dealing with the other side.

This would actually explain some question as stated before the asgard said that the Ancients went far beyond the galaxy (galaxies?) well going to another universe certainly falls into that category. Second it also explains the apparent lack of the Ancients it seems as if they never existed they only built technology to leave behind as a legacy. This could be explained by the fact of the problem with other universes, because universes are being created have been created and are in the process of being created there will be an infinite possiblity for which universe your blackhole connects to, so the Ancients could be trying to find their way back home or maybe they're trying to go back home? I just hope someone gets what I'm saying.

[shazstar]

I get you. A very well thought out theory. Do you work in the field or just interested?

[Dendarah]

Nope, don't work in the field (yet!). Still studying in high school unfortunately, in a few more months i'll be in university studying the field though.

[shazstar]

yeah me too.......R u from the states?

[muzungu]

Both of the theories by shazstar and Dendarah are quite thought out, however there are some problems with each of them.

shazstar talks about going back to the point of the big bang, unfortunatley this is slightly missleading, as there is no point in the current universe where the big bang occured. The universe isn't expanding from a single point, rather everything in it is expanding from everything else.

If the first situation Dendarah talks were true then anyone going through the wormhole would be torn apart by tidal gravity fields. If they managed to get 'through' the singularity they would be stuck in the other universe as they would be unable to escape from the singulrity. Dendarahs second idea is more probable. Unfortunatley when the black hole collapsed it would turn all of its mass into both photons and gravitons (ie a big burst of energy and a large gravity wave).

[PTeppic]

Not sure if it helps or hinders the arguments, but we know that Ancients-related peoples DID play with time, as shown in the hilarious series 4 episode of time-loops.

[shazstar]

Originally posted by Muzungu
shazstar talks about going back to the point of the big bang, unfortunatley this is slightly missleading, as there is no point in the current universe where the big bang occured. The universe isn't expanding from a single point, rather everything in it is expanding from everything else.

hehehehe well though out yeah right that came from pure guesswork based only on HighSchool Physics that I am still learning!

But thanks and yeah i should have realised what i was saying there.


So would the tidal gravity fields still work in consideration that the "wormhole" as such is moving? If it's all relative then any tidal gravity fields present at all could only work one way as in ONE frame of reference, and I would have imagined that THEN it would help direct a wormhole.....