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jsc · 8th February 2001, 06:31 AM

Yes, the Sam and Entity part was left alone. (Jolinar did more with Sam and they showed more angst than here... I think it was too quick also!) Teal'c who? (He just seemed to stand around... or am I too much of a Teal'c person!

kelsi · 8th February 2001, 02:40 PM

Maybe Teal'c's just not a talk-to-people-who-have-been-taken-hostage-by-a-virus person, and wasn't sure what to say?

skydiver · 8th February 2001, 06:30 PM

maybe t-man has a soft spot for sam and was all vehklept at the thought that one of his friends killed another one....

jsc · 8th February 2001, 08:12 PM

Maybe the writers have trouble with T-Man....oops.. man rant is back!

Mishkaz · 9th February 2001, 03:21 PM

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Originally posted by skydiver
maybe t-man has a soft spot for sam and was all vehklept at the thought that one of his friends killed another one....

VEHKLEPT.... what a fine word. Never heard that one before. Kinda has a ring of "cruvus" about it, don't ya think? Have you been downloading alien langauges into yer brain again Sky? It'll stunt ya growth you know

Watched this epi again last week. Definitley something "off" about it. Kinda get the feeling they lost interest in the plot while writing it. Still, worth watching for Jackisms and the extra air time the under-used characters (Frasier and Siler) managed to get. Also thought Sams PJ's were cool. D'ya think I can get me a pair of those? (Can mine have little teddy bears on them, huh? please, can they, can they?)

cheers
Mishkaz

kelsi · 9th February 2001, 06:08 PM

Love the sig Mishkaz!

skydiver · 9th February 2001, 09:10 PM

yes that sig is great...

ponyperson · 10th February 2001, 02:43 PM

Well, i just watched the ep. last night, after reading through all the spoilers.. (thankfully i like spoilers)..
I kinda liked it, but i have to admit, it wasnt my favorite. (whereas, the ep. that showtime played after, "upgrades" is one of my fav's)

I love jackisms, but in this ep. i think he went overboard.. they were fine in the beginning - the memo stuff (memos were mentioned in Prodigy too - the general ryan scene))... but once the situation got serious, he still kept cracking jokes... i mean, if you were in a base that was quarantined and "the fate of the world" rested on your shoulders, would you be admiring youself in a pic?.. i got a little irritated there.. (in a less serious scene, i woulda loved it.i know, its the way he handles things, but sometimes...grrr..

i thought the jack/sam scenes were well played out.. you could see there was something more, but never did it go overboard, and in some ways was just like a leader really caring for one of his team.. like how he was with Daniel in "the light"... though i'm sure that little remark by Hammond was meant to be more than sam just being a valued member of the team..

The other thing that got me was what i though of as the stilted acting by MS and CJ as far as their concern for Sam while she was comatose/dying... i guess i expected more from their characters that a brief sentence saying that they were gonna destroy the machine in the MALP room.. daniel especially didnt have a very distraught look on his face, while Jack looked like he was ready to burst at any time... (and generally i find MS the far better actor, so i found this surprising...)

Well, that's my 2 cents on the ep.. (ok.. maybe a bit more than 2 cents, huh!?!)

Norita · 10th February 2001, 03:03 PM

Ponyperson, I agree with you completely. Teal'c and Daniel did not seem to care very much or show much concern, if at all, for Sam. All the emoting was done by Jack. Now Daniel wasn't like that before, he showed he cared about Sam in previous episodes. Is this MS and CJ's acting? Or it is due to what they are given, scriptwise, and how the director tells them to "emote"?

I just think the script wasn't very good, it was just a replay of the Jolinar episode. And Jack's jokes though funny, seem totally inapropriate to the situation. He's wandering if he is looking fat and the complex is being taken over by an unknown entity?

skydiver · 10th February 2001, 03:44 PM

i don't know if i picked up as much on the danny lack of emoting but i sure did on teal'c...it was almost as if as far as he was concerned sam was already dead and he didn't care...maybe that's what he knew he needed to do, to be the unemotional one among them.
to me janet did a perfect job of being near tears and yet still incontrol. as did jack. he was concerned and all torn up but still didn't turn into a slobbering mess.
and hammond knows...that seemed to be the one really big plot point. ole george knows there's something between the two of them but i'm guessing knows it also hasn't gone anywhere...
i gotta wonder just how much sam remembers? if she was in the malp the whole time, she doesn't know they were going to pull the plug or how they treated her...
and, hope to the shippers, anyone catch jack's little hand movement at the end(if someone's already mentioned this, i apologize)
right at the end he raised his hand like he wanted to touch her but stopped, i'm guessing cause he knew he couldn't...awwwww

SGPflughaupt · 10th February 2001, 04:16 PM

Hey, JSC, I agree, they (the writers) have slipt back into some bad habits regarding the T-man. After a number of years with the team he should be less of an outsider,so to speak.

I thought that Rothery's acting was very good in this ep. Especially with the little catch in her voice when she told Jack that they should disconnect Sam since there was *catch* no brain activity.

RDA was good also, you could feel the care he had for Sam and the difficult decisions he had to make regarding her.

I agree that Daniel did seem to not be as concerned for the state Sam was in but more concerned about contacting the virus.

skydiver · 11th February 2001, 01:53 PM

it just hit me, this eps set a precedent...two zat blasts aren't necessarily fatal...wonder if zatarc programming could serve the same purpose as aliens having control of your body...it could give them an out to bring marty back....just an idea

jsc · 11th February 2001, 02:20 PM

Are the writers playing with us again?
1. They keep the T-Man stoic (unemotional about Sam). Was this to help Jack and Danny hold on? or himself? Janet and Jack were great in the teary scenes. Danny and Teal'c just looked sad at the unhook the life support sceen.. But the writers have been doing the Perfect Black Servant Thingie again for T-man...in this one.... sort of like the first season. Need a writer with the perspective for T-Man... I think they should get Denise.... How bout it skydiver! Guess they want the T-man and Danny to react in fan fic... this was a shipper episode... Kind think that Hammond knows about the ust between Jack and Sam...Sam is his good friend's daughter and Jack has become a good friend (Chain Reaction and his granddaughter's reactons to Jack!)

2. The two zats your dead.... Ayeah, skydiver I agree with you! I kind of felt set up in that sceen... to say the least!

3. How quickly they resolved the tension of we've lost Sam... and found her in the computer... got her back in her body...Boy! If I were Hammond, I'd do some checking! To say nothing of what Janet will probably want to check out! No I do not read the Sam/Janet stuff!

skydiver · 11th February 2001, 05:21 PM

hey anyone from the show wants to give me a job...it's gotta to be more than i'm making now.

and i definitely think george knows something is going on, he just doesn't KNOW something is going on. jack & sam haven't crossed the line and forced his hand.
persoally i agree with a lot of the fic writers, george would be incredibly happy for them, just not about the paperwork it would cause.
those of you that have seen double jeopardy know this but...and please don't tell me until next friday i'm trying to remain spoiler free here...wanna bet sam's all fine and happy for double jeop & exodus?

wonder how much if anything she remembers? if she was in the malp memory the whole time then was she aware of anything that happened between her and the rest during the interim?
lends new meaning to her having a way with computers huh?

jsc · 11th February 2001, 08:05 PM

What ever happened between entity and double jeopardy... welll on the fic writers know for sure... It isn't mentioned. Don't worry, skydiver. I don't think anything happens either! Ust and all but nothing happens... maybe in Season5.

10th February 2001, 03:03 PM	#54 (permalink)
Norita Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 72	Entity Ponyperson, I agree with you completely. Teal'c and Daniel did not seem to care very much or show much concern, if at all, for Sam. All the emoting was done by Jack. Now Daniel wasn't like that before, he showed he cared about Sam in previous episodes. Is this MS and CJ's acting? Or it is due to what they are given, scriptwise, and how the director tells them to "emote"? I just think the script wasn't very good, it was just a replay of the Jolinar episode. And Jack's jokes though funny, seem totally inapropriate to the situation. He's wandering if he is looking fat and the complex is being taken over by an unknown entity?

8th February 2001, 06:31 AM	#46 (permalink)
jsc God Like Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California,U.S.A. Posts: 4,353	Yes, the Sam and Entity part was left alone. (Jolinar did more with Sam and they showed more angst than here... I think it was too quick also!) Teal'c who? (He just seemed to stand around... or am I too much of a Teal'c person!

8th February 2001, 02:40 PM	#47 (permalink)
kelsi Expert Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sitting in front of my computer, at home, on Chulak. Posts: 1,411	Maybe Teal'c's just not a talk-to-people-who-have-been-taken-hostage-by-a-virus person, and wasn't sure what to say?

8th February 2001, 06:30 PM	#48 (permalink)
skydiver Trivia Goddess Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: topeka, ks, usa- 7 1/2 hours due east of Cheyenne Mountain Posts: 2,856	maybe t-man has a soft spot for sam and was all vehklept at the thought that one of his friends killed another one....

8th February 2001, 08:12 PM	#49 (permalink)
jsc God Like Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California,U.S.A. Posts: 4,353	Maybe the writers have trouble with T-Man....oops.. man rant is back!

9th February 2001, 06:08 PM	#51 (permalink)
kelsi Expert Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sitting in front of my computer, at home, on Chulak. Posts: 1,411	Love the sig Mishkaz!

9th February 2001, 09:10 PM	#52 (permalink)
skydiver Trivia Goddess Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: topeka, ks, usa- 7 1/2 hours due east of Cheyenne Mountain Posts: 2,856	yes that sig is great...

10th February 2001, 02:43 PM	#53 (permalink)
ponyperson Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 93	Well, i just watched the ep. last night, after reading through all the spoilers.. (thankfully i like spoilers).. I kinda liked it, but i have to admit, it wasnt my favorite. (whereas, the ep. that showtime played after, "upgrades" is one of my fav's) I love jackisms, but in this ep. i think he went overboard.. they were fine in the beginning - the memo stuff (memos were mentioned in Prodigy too - the general ryan scene))... but once the situation got serious, he still kept cracking jokes... i mean, if you were in a base that was quarantined and "the fate of the world" rested on your shoulders, would you be admiring youself in a pic?.. i got a little irritated there.. (in a less serious scene, i woulda loved it.i know, its the way he handles things, but sometimes...grrr.. i thought the jack/sam scenes were well played out.. you could see there was something more, but never did it go overboard, and in some ways was just like a leader really caring for one of his team.. like how he was with Daniel in "the light"... though i'm sure that little remark by Hammond was meant to be more than sam just being a valued member of the team.. The other thing that got me was what i though of as the stilted acting by MS and CJ as far as their concern for Sam while she was comatose/dying... i guess i expected more from their characters that a brief sentence saying that they were gonna destroy the machine in the MALP room.. daniel especially didnt have a very distraught look on his face, while Jack looked like he was ready to burst at any time... (and generally i find MS the far better actor, so i found this surprising...) Well, that's my 2 cents on the ep.. (ok.. maybe a bit more than 2 cents, huh!?!)

10th February 2001, 03:44 PM	#55 (permalink)
skydiver Trivia Goddess Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: topeka, ks, usa- 7 1/2 hours due east of Cheyenne Mountain Posts: 2,856	i don't know if i picked up as much on the danny lack of emoting but i sure did on teal'c...it was almost as if as far as he was concerned sam was already dead and he didn't care...maybe that's what he knew he needed to do, to be the unemotional one among them. to me janet did a perfect job of being near tears and yet still incontrol. as did jack. he was concerned and all torn up but still didn't turn into a slobbering mess. and hammond knows...that seemed to be the one really big plot point. ole george knows there's something between the two of them but i'm guessing knows it also hasn't gone anywhere... i gotta wonder just how much sam remembers? if she was in the malp the whole time, she doesn't know they were going to pull the plug or how they treated her... and, hope to the shippers, anyone catch jack's little hand movement at the end(if someone's already mentioned this, i apologize) right at the end he raised his hand like he wanted to touch her but stopped, i'm guessing cause he knew he couldn't...awwwww

10th February 2001, 04:16 PM	#56 (permalink)
SGPflughaupt Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northwest Arkansas,USA Posts: 184	Hey, JSC, I agree, they (the writers) have slipt back into some bad habits regarding the T-man. After a number of years with the team he should be less of an outsider,so to speak. I thought that Rothery's acting was very good in this ep. Especially with the little catch in her voice when she told Jack that they should disconnect Sam since there was catch no brain activity. RDA was good also, you could feel the care he had for Sam and the difficult decisions he had to make regarding her. I agree that Daniel did seem to not be as concerned for the state Sam was in but more concerned about contacting the virus.

11th February 2001, 01:53 PM	#57 (permalink)
skydiver Trivia Goddess Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: topeka, ks, usa- 7 1/2 hours due east of Cheyenne Mountain Posts: 2,856	it just hit me, this eps set a precedent...two zat blasts aren't necessarily fatal...wonder if zatarc programming could serve the same purpose as aliens having control of your body...it could give them an out to bring marty back....just an idea

11th February 2001, 02:20 PM	#58 (permalink)
jsc God Like Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California,U.S.A. Posts: 4,353	Are the writers playing with us again? 1. They keep the T-Man stoic (unemotional about Sam). Was this to help Jack and Danny hold on? or himself? Janet and Jack were great in the teary scenes. Danny and Teal'c just looked sad at the unhook the life support sceen.. But the writers have been doing the Perfect Black Servant Thingie again for T-man...in this one.... sort of like the first season. Need a writer with the perspective for T-Man... I think they should get Denise.... How bout it skydiver! Guess they want the T-man and Danny to react in fan fic... this was a shipper episode... Kind think that Hammond knows about the ust between Jack and Sam...Sam is his good friend's daughter and Jack has become a good friend (Chain Reaction and his granddaughter's reactons to Jack!) 2. The two zats your dead.... Ayeah, skydiver I agree with you! I kind of felt set up in that sceen... to say the least! 3. How quickly they resolved the tension of we've lost Sam... and found her in the computer... got her back in her body...Boy! If I were Hammond, I'd do some checking! To say nothing of what Janet will probably want to check out! No I do not read the Sam/Janet stuff!

11th February 2001, 05:21 PM	#59 (permalink)
skydiver Trivia Goddess Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: topeka, ks, usa- 7 1/2 hours due east of Cheyenne Mountain Posts: 2,856	hey anyone from the show wants to give me a job...it's gotta to be more than i'm making now. and i definitely think george knows something is going on, he just doesn't KNOW something is going on. jack & sam haven't crossed the line and forced his hand. persoally i agree with a lot of the fic writers, george would be incredibly happy for them, just not about the paperwork it would cause. those of you that have seen double jeopardy know this but...and please don't tell me until next friday i'm trying to remain spoiler free here...wanna bet sam's all fine and happy for double jeop & exodus? wonder how much if anything she remembers? if she was in the malp memory the whole time then was she aware of anything that happened between her and the rest during the interim? lends new meaning to her having a way with computers huh?

11th February 2001, 08:05 PM	#60 (permalink)
jsc God Like Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California,U.S.A. Posts: 4,353	What ever happened between entity and double jeopardy... welll on the fic writers know for sure... It isn't mentioned. Don't worry, skydiver. I don't think anything happens either! Ust and all but nothing happens... maybe in Season5.