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jsc · 1st February 2001, 09:49 PM

Hi! Norita, you are correct that Daniel is the conscience of the SGC and SG-1.

Sam really knuckled under (to us outside the military) about the feed back loop on the naquadah reactor butwe have to remember that she is military and trained to follow orders (unfortunately Jack did not in that case) and she did it and her conscience was not clear! But the military is a hierarchy and she followes instructions of her superiors with less questioning that we can do. Remember she did the bomb in Chain Reaction also and was not happy about it!

But even Hammond allowed Daniel to try contact before and after Sam was taken over.

Jaxie · 1st February 2001, 11:23 PM

Hello people. i need spoilers....and lots of em.

All i know is it's a shippy episode with an entitiy and (totally ruining the surprise when its aired here) i need to know a plot.

thats if noone minds spilling it all to me.

kelsi · 2nd February 2001, 03:00 AM

Thanx Norita and jsc. But if Jack shot Sam 'cos he thought the entity was gonna go back into the mainframe (and stopped it), then how did Sam get in, if Jack stopped the transferral?

jsc · 2nd February 2001, 03:54 AM

The entity put her in there before it (she/he) died.

gategeek · 2nd February 2001, 07:53 AM

jaxie- a very short version of the plot : An 'entity' invades the SGC computers and seeks refuge in Carter's
body to survive. It had been sent to destroy the SGC because the MALP we sent to their planet was "poisonous" to them. Once Carter is taken over, the team faces the possibility
of having to kill their friend to destroy the entity, and O'Neill
finally has to zat Carter once. Then twice. Effectively putting her in
an irreversible coma. after some angsty moments re living wills etc it's discovered that sam is in the SGC computers and so they hook up some kind of jumper cable thingy and get sam back in her body.

gategeek · 2nd February 2001, 07:57 AM

hey norita- re times when daniel might have blurred the ethical lines between right and wrong. off hand i can only think of one. in bloodlines when he killed the baby goaulds in the tank.

jsc · 2nd February 2001, 01:38 PM

The others we also remember because they were so out of character and Daniel was under the influence of aliens..Hathor -for the gene pool for baby goa'ulds, Shyla and addiction in Need, SEASEON 4 SPOILER in UPGRADES.

Mishkaz · 2nd February 2001, 03:42 PM

Thought this epi was a bit flat. Don't get me wrong, even a less than perfect stargate epi is way better than anything else I'd wanna watch, I felt that the story was a bit thin. Their dealings with the entity didn't seem to follow their usual procedures. They didn't seem to spend much time trying to reason with it.
Thought AT's acting was excellent (under the circumstances), reckon she got a few pointers from CJ about how to act when it's your scene and you have no dialogue.
Loved the Jackisms, of course, what would an epi be without them. Well, if it's a penny for my thoughts, who wants the change?
cheers
Mishkaz
'spose I should mention that as I couldn't right a tv show if my life depended on it, I should just shut-up and be grateful to those excellent people who provide me with my weekly sg fix. Drinks on me guys.

Marie · 2nd February 2001, 06:04 PM

Was the entity a life form or just a programme? That was one point that I couldn't make out. I know the original title of the ep was to be 'Childs Play' but the entity was more insiduous than that of a child?

Is it just me or is Daniel getting more argumentitive now? He does seem to want to be right all the time, he argues against the military way without considering that the diplomatic way might not work. Teal'c also had a lot more to say in this episode, Hammond even taking his advice on SGC matters.

Maz

- You can always tell its a shippy moment about to happen when they play th "Sam and Jack" music

- Kelsi - don't mind the cutting up of my post :-) But, how is it done?

Jay Jay · 2nd February 2001, 06:28 PM

I loved this episode, though was much miffed when my friend decided to ring me half way through and although I wasn't really listening to her I couldn't concentrate on the programme either, and she was on for 15 minutes. (timer on the phone).

Anyway, loved it. I wonder what'll come next though. Jack was abit obvious about his 'feelings' for Sam, don't ya think. Standing by her bedside, wanting to hold her hand, but not quite getting there (may be getting this bit wrong, remember I was on the phone for 15 minutes somewhere in between).

J

Norita · 2nd February 2001, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gategeek
hey norita- re times when daniel might have blurred the ethical lines between right and wrong. off hand i can only think of one. in bloodlines when he killed the baby goaulds in the tank.

Well, I don't really blame Daniel for that, I totally sympathize with him. It's not like the baby goaul'ds would grow into good goaul'ds. That the Goaul'ds are Daniel only hated enemy I can sympathize with, after all they have done against humanity (and other races) and against his wife.

Norita · 2nd February 2001, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jsc
The others we also remember because they were so out of character and Daniel was under the influence of aliens..Hathor -for the gene pool for baby goa'ulds, Shyla and addiction in Need, SEASEON 4 SPOILER in UPGRADES.

Well Daniel wasn't really to blame in those ocassions, he wasn't acting with a free will, so I didn't consider those times.

And another ocassion that Daniel demonstrated his caring and integrity was in Point of View where he argued for helping the Alternate Reality of the other Sam and Kowalsky.

gategeek · 3rd February 2001, 12:22 PM

i liked that siler had quite a few lines in this ep including that sarcastic remark when jack asked if he'd forgotten to change a lightbulb-
"not my job sir.(pause) yes sir, lightbulb. very amusing."
he said it with a completely straight face- i was cracking up.

jsc · 3rd February 2001, 01:05 PM

Siler and Davis were in it more. I liked that also. Loved Janet's part, too! Love tosee them do more! So was very glad to see them. Guess next week will be Double Jeopardy!, I hope!

Jaxie · 3rd February 2001, 09:18 PM

oh please it'll have to be.

did anyone else think that hammond knew more than he was saying when he was talking to jack about sam being a valued member of sg1? (haven't seen the ep. but got this quote from philips site, thought it sounded interesting)

1st February 2001, 09:49 PM	#16 (permalink)
jsc God Like Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California,U.S.A. Posts: 4,353	Hi! Norita, you are correct that Daniel is the conscience of the SGC and SG-1. Sam really knuckled under (to us outside the military) about the feed back loop on the naquadah reactor butwe have to remember that she is military and trained to follow orders (unfortunately Jack did not in that case) and she did it and her conscience was not clear! But the military is a hierarchy and she followes instructions of her superiors with less questioning that we can do. Remember she did the bomb in Chain Reaction also and was not happy about it! But even Hammond allowed Daniel to try contact before and after Sam was taken over.

1st February 2001, 11:23 PM	#17 (permalink)
Jaxie New Zealander - hullo!!! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: This place called New Zealand - where season 4 of Sg1 just finished, season 7 of The X files just finished and the first season of Seven Days just finished and all i got to watch is JAG Posts: 521	Hello people. i need spoilers....and lots of em. All i know is it's a shippy episode with an entitiy and (totally ruining the surprise when its aired here) i need to know a plot. thats if noone minds spilling it all to me.

2nd February 2001, 03:00 AM	#18 (permalink)
kelsi Expert Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sitting in front of my computer, at home, on Chulak. Posts: 1,411	Thanx Norita and jsc. But if Jack shot Sam 'cos he thought the entity was gonna go back into the mainframe (and stopped it), then how did Sam get in, if Jack stopped the transferral?

2nd February 2001, 03:54 AM	#19 (permalink)
jsc God Like Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California,U.S.A. Posts: 4,353	The entity put her in there before it (she/he) died.

2nd February 2001, 07:53 AM	#20 (permalink)
gategeek Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 396	jaxie- a very short version of the plot : An 'entity' invades the SGC computers and seeks refuge in Carter's body to survive. It had been sent to destroy the SGC because the MALP we sent to their planet was "poisonous" to them. Once Carter is taken over, the team faces the possibility of having to kill their friend to destroy the entity, and O'Neill finally has to zat Carter once. Then twice. Effectively putting her in an irreversible coma. after some angsty moments re living wills etc it's discovered that sam is in the SGC computers and so they hook up some kind of jumper cable thingy and get sam back in her body.

2nd February 2001, 07:57 AM	#21 (permalink)
gategeek Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 396	hey norita- re times when daniel might have blurred the ethical lines between right and wrong. off hand i can only think of one. in bloodlines when he killed the baby goaulds in the tank.

2nd February 2001, 01:38 PM	#22 (permalink)
jsc God Like Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California,U.S.A. Posts: 4,353	The others we also remember because they were so out of character and Daniel was under the influence of aliens..Hathor -for the gene pool for baby goa'ulds, Shyla and addiction in Need, SEASEON 4 SPOILER in UPGRADES.

2nd February 2001, 03:42 PM	#23 (permalink)
Mishkaz Gatefink Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: UK, Mishington twinned with Skipville Posts: 978	Thought this epi was a bit flat. Don't get me wrong, even a less than perfect stargate epi is way better than anything else I'd wanna watch, I felt that the story was a bit thin. Their dealings with the entity didn't seem to follow their usual procedures. They didn't seem to spend much time trying to reason with it. Thought AT's acting was excellent (under the circumstances), reckon she got a few pointers from CJ about how to act when it's your scene and you have no dialogue. Loved the Jackisms, of course, what would an epi be without them. Well, if it's a penny for my thoughts, who wants the change? cheers Mishkaz 'spose I should mention that as I couldn't right a tv show if my life depended on it, I should just shut-up and be grateful to those excellent people who provide me with my weekly sg fix. Drinks on me guys.

2nd February 2001, 06:04 PM	#24 (permalink)
Marie Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 27	Was the entity a life form or just a programme? That was one point that I couldn't make out. I know the original title of the ep was to be 'Childs Play' but the entity was more insiduous than that of a child? Is it just me or is Daniel getting more argumentitive now? He does seem to want to be right all the time, he argues against the military way without considering that the diplomatic way might not work. Teal'c also had a lot more to say in this episode, Hammond even taking his advice on SGC matters. Maz - You can always tell its a shippy moment about to happen when they play th "Sam and Jack" music - Kelsi - don't mind the cutting up of my post :-) But, how is it done?

2nd February 2001, 06:28 PM	#25 (permalink)
Jay Jay I'm a Lambrini Girl Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 168	I loved this episode, though was much miffed when my friend decided to ring me half way through and although I wasn't really listening to her I couldn't concentrate on the programme either, and she was on for 15 minutes. (timer on the phone). Anyway, loved it. I wonder what'll come next though. Jack was abit obvious about his 'feelings' for Sam, don't ya think. Standing by her bedside, wanting to hold her hand, but not quite getting there (may be getting this bit wrong, remember I was on the phone for 15 minutes somewhere in between). J

3rd February 2001, 12:22 PM	#28 (permalink)
gategeek Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 396	i liked that siler had quite a few lines in this ep including that sarcastic remark when jack asked if he'd forgotten to change a lightbulb- "not my job sir.(pause) yes sir, lightbulb. very amusing." he said it with a completely straight face- i was cracking up.

3rd February 2001, 01:05 PM	#29 (permalink)
jsc God Like Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California,U.S.A. Posts: 4,353	Siler and Davis were in it more. I liked that also. Loved Janet's part, too! Love tosee them do more! So was very glad to see them. Guess next week will be Double Jeopardy!, I hope!

3rd February 2001, 09:18 PM	#30 (permalink)
Jaxie New Zealander - hullo!!! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: This place called New Zealand - where season 4 of Sg1 just finished, season 7 of The X files just finished and the first season of Seven Days just finished and all i got to watch is JAG Posts: 521	oh please it'll have to be. did anyone else think that hammond knew more than he was saying when he was talking to jack about sam being a valued member of sg1? (haven't seen the ep. but got this quote from philips site, thought it sounded interesting)