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chupivore · 11th January 2001, 02:57 PM

I guess I'll wake up at 6AM and try to download it and watch it just before going to work... Thanks a lot for the fast reply and everything!

stillzen · 14th January 2001, 06:29 PM

so the eps are only on simplenet for 1 week??
can't i download divide and conquer or even 2010??

suckss a little even more since i got a 56000 kbps modem.............

"am message? to who?"
"to WHOM"

p3x595 · 15th January 2001, 03:08 AM

>so the eps are only on simplenet for 1 week??
>can't i download divide and conquer or even 2010??

Sorry no. They are no more.

My account with Yahoo Simplenet ends today - so no more episodes there at all :-(

Philip

stillzen · 16th January 2001, 02:12 PM

snif..snif..
HEY look, i know it's out of the subject now but yesterday i saw a movie starrig JR bourne and the guy who played nareem!!!
JR was a psychopath who was accused to have killed his wife, but was proved innicent by the women who plays renee in ally mac beal, but we find out that he really killed his wife, he a real freak and his dies.. HE ALWAYS HAS TO DIE!!!!
snif snif again

i saw 2010, i have some comments but right now i don't have time.. so later!!!

vache poulet cochon mangez des pommes!!!
mort aux allemands!!!

"it doesn't feel that way to me.. my jack had the same face, same voice, same hands.."
sam, point of view
eheh..eheh..every time they get together they die.. eheh..eheh. you know what this means..?

skydiver · 20th January 2001, 10:32 AM

i saw that movie, earthquake in new york or something like that...and they had one last week, just a litte one

man dark side danny...he was grade a spooky. almost a james bond caliber villian...you know they better hope he never gets goaulded cause earth is toast if he does...
i need to watch it again to catch all danny's smart @$$ remarks at the beginning.
the image if his tossing jack across the room...or lording over a begging apophis...now what was that is the season 6 thread about danny killing a-man?
i've always said jr bourne does a good psycho...but so does ms.
you know, if they ever do a mirror universe eps...like in trek, we'd have evil danny hooking up with evil marty and...what else, heroic maybourne?

chupivore · 20th January 2001, 11:31 AM

Not even a week ago we also had a movie on TV called Earthquake in NY of something... Wish we had the same TV program for for Stargate too...

orange · 20th January 2001, 05:47 PM

Well, not horribly impressed by AP, but, well, sometimes when everyone you know is saying how great it was, you expect it to knock your socks off. I rather wish they had stayed on Abydos, since there is a familiarity with that location. If it had to be a dream/illision, then let's go all the way and do some striking surreal images right on the planet.

And is anyone else tired of infirmary scenes?

But I agree about Daniel in the sunlight from the window - can't complain about that. Actors are always great, as are the special effects: loved the windstorm and evil Danny with his special command center and chair - better than Captain Kirk's and Picard's put together.

I have a question: Who else told Daniel he must "release his burden" before he can find his own way again? Was is Sha're? Just curious. There have been so many epsiodes, I hope I am not the only one who gets confused.

Humbly opinionated,
Orange

skydiver · 20th January 2001, 09:30 PM

i seem to remember something like that but i don't know if it was shau'ri or the monk from maternal instinct.

did anyone else interpret the last words of the boy...let's see if i can get them close to right, to win you must deny the battle...i'm thinking the boy is telling them there's no way earth can take on the goa'uld and win...which to me suggests the only way they can win is to saboutage the snakes...you know sorta like teal'c did with apophis and heru'ur in secrets...keep them fighting each other until they kill each other off.

then again i may be sleep deprived...but some of his other phrases made sense too. like the one in the beginning, a candle is only as strong as its wick or something like that. it suggests to me that a command is only as good as its leader.

and then when he was talking to danny. the whole if the instrument is bad then the music will be too(can't remember it exactly) which was his way of saying if he remembers it will ruin him. then daniel replying but music doesn't play the composer, meaning memories don't make the person...and the kid said, not this time or something like it which meant whoever has the memories will go bad...at least in my warped little head.
any ideas?

orange · 20th January 2001, 11:23 PM

You know, the image that kept coming to me during AP was of Yoda warning Luke about strong emotions and Luke telling Vadar to let go of his hate. Could it be along the same lines as "Do not control, be IN control" or "Surrender is the only path"? The idea that if your enemy engages your "dark side", then you have already lost? Just wondering, because the more I think about it, the more I realize Robert Cooper didn't really give us enough information to figure out what the H-kid was talking about when he said the only way to win the battle [against the desires of the subconscious] was to deny the battle.

I gathered that Daniel was the instrument, sadly out of tune I take it. Daniel seemed to be suggesting that we *do* have some control over our destiny and our actions, or the music, if you will.

Like I mentioned, very hard to figure on limited info.
And what "new path" will Daniel chose?

Orange

kelsi · 21st January 2001, 09:24 AM

Just butting in here, about what you were saying a while ago. Is JRB in Earthquake in NY?!

stillzen · 21st January 2001, 11:13 AM

yas he is, but he's a real psycho.. he tries to kill the woman who plays renee in ally mac beal, but he ebds up killing himself instead

kelsi · 21st January 2001, 01:22 PM

Is it really sad if you're a JR/Martouf fan?

And where does the Earthquake come in?!

skydiver · 21st January 2001, 03:16 PM

well it's the earthquake that starts the whole thing. jrb and renee and others are in a subway car when it hits and there's that whole survival bit...basically it's the typical disaster movie scenario where the disaster hits then you get to see how it and events created by it effects the stars.
because really...well up until the point where he dies, marty is so darned charming you don't know for sure if he's psycho.

you know i just thought of somehting. the kids name was shifu, which daniel translated to mean 'light' and well...it as 'the light' that brought out danny's dark side?
i'm getting a feeling either the writer put a lot of work into double meanings and symbolology or there were a heck of a lot of coinciences in this eps.

[Edited by skydiver on 01-21-2001 at 03:00 PM]

dkraft · 22nd January 2001, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by orange
>>Just wondering, because the more I think about it, the more I realize Robert Cooper didn't really give us enough information to figure out what the H-kid was talking about when he said the only way to win the battle [against the desires of the subconscious] was to deny the battle.

I gathered that Daniel was the instrument, sadly out of tune I take it. Daniel seemed to be suggesting that we *do* have some control over our destiny and our actions, or the music, if you will.
Orange

By saying "The only way to win the battle is to deny the battle," the kid is basically saying "if you go and take these hidden memories out of my head, you'll be very sorry!" because it would result in what Daniel went through in his "dream". The subconcious memories would override any conscious decisions and would ultimately control him, pretty much the same as a Goa'uld would control its host.

Daniel's statement that the "music doesn't play the musician" was proven false in the dream, because the memories being the music ultimately "played" him, and made him into something he would never consciously become.

Loved that whole discussion!

orange · 22nd January 2001, 02:38 PM

Remember that song? ["Do you remember the times of your life?"

]

Anyway, Debra, you got me thinking again - I see what you're saying about the memories. Oh boy I wonder where this is going to lead in the show...

Thanks for the discussion, too.
-Orange

20th January 2001, 05:47 PM	#22 (permalink)
orange Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 72	Releasing Burdens Well, not horribly impressed by AP, but, well, sometimes when everyone you know is saying how great it was, you expect it to knock your socks off. I rather wish they had stayed on Abydos, since there is a familiarity with that location. If it had to be a dream/illision, then let's go all the way and do some striking surreal images right on the planet. And is anyone else tired of infirmary scenes? But I agree about Daniel in the sunlight from the window - can't complain about that. Actors are always great, as are the special effects: loved the windstorm and evil Danny with his special command center and chair - better than Captain Kirk's and Picard's put together. I have a question: Who else told Daniel he must "release his burden" before he can find his own way again? Was is Sha're? Just curious. There have been so many epsiodes, I hope I am not the only one who gets confused. Humbly opinionated, Orange

20th January 2001, 11:23 PM	#24 (permalink)
orange Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 72	Denying the Battle You know, the image that kept coming to me during AP was of Yoda warning Luke about strong emotions and Luke telling Vadar to let go of his hate. Could it be along the same lines as "Do not control, be IN control" or "Surrender is the only path"? The idea that if your enemy engages your "dark side", then you have already lost? Just wondering, because the more I think about it, the more I realize Robert Cooper didn't really give us enough information to figure out what the H-kid was talking about when he said the only way to win the battle [against the desires of the subconscious] was to deny the battle. I gathered that Daniel was the instrument, sadly out of tune I take it. Daniel seemed to be suggesting that we do have some control over our destiny and our actions, or the music, if you will. Like I mentioned, very hard to figure on limited info. And what "new path" will Daniel chose? Orange

11th January 2001, 02:57 PM	#16 (permalink)
chupivore Advanced Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 95	I guess I'll wake up at 6AM and try to download it and watch it just before going to work... Thanks a lot for the fast reply and everything!

14th January 2001, 06:29 PM	#17 (permalink)
stillzen sarcastic shit Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: paris, france Posts: 147	so the eps are only on simplenet for 1 week?? can't i download divide and conquer or even 2010?? suckss a little even more since i got a 56000 kbps modem............. "am message? to who?" "to WHOM"

15th January 2001, 03:08 AM	#18 (permalink)
p3x595 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Leeds Posts: 7	>so the eps are only on simplenet for 1 week?? >can't i download divide and conquer or even 2010?? Sorry no. They are no more. My account with Yahoo Simplenet ends today - so no more episodes there at all :-( Philip

16th January 2001, 02:12 PM	#19 (permalink)
stillzen sarcastic shit Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: paris, france Posts: 147	snif..snif.. HEY look, i know it's out of the subject now but yesterday i saw a movie starrig JR bourne and the guy who played nareem!!! JR was a psychopath who was accused to have killed his wife, but was proved innicent by the women who plays renee in ally mac beal, but we find out that he really killed his wife, he a real freak and his dies.. HE ALWAYS HAS TO DIE!!!! snif snif again i saw 2010, i have some comments but right now i don't have time.. so later!!! vache poulet cochon mangez des pommes!!! mort aux allemands!!! "it doesn't feel that way to me.. my jack had the same face, same voice, same hands.." sam, point of view eheh..eheh..every time they get together they die.. eheh..eheh. you know what this means..?

20th January 2001, 10:32 AM	#20 (permalink)
skydiver Trivia Goddess Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: topeka, ks, usa- 7 1/2 hours due east of Cheyenne Mountain Posts: 2,856	i saw that movie, earthquake in new york or something like that...and they had one last week, just a litte one man dark side danny...he was grade a spooky. almost a james bond caliber villian...you know they better hope he never gets goaulded cause earth is toast if he does... i need to watch it again to catch all danny's smart @$$ remarks at the beginning. the image if his tossing jack across the room...or lording over a begging apophis...now what was that is the season 6 thread about danny killing a-man? i've always said jr bourne does a good psycho...but so does ms. you know, if they ever do a mirror universe eps...like in trek, we'd have evil danny hooking up with evil marty and...what else, heroic maybourne?

20th January 2001, 11:31 AM	#21 (permalink)
chupivore Advanced Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 95	Not even a week ago we also had a movie on TV called Earthquake in NY of something... Wish we had the same TV program for for Stargate too...

20th January 2001, 09:30 PM	#23 (permalink)
skydiver Trivia Goddess Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: topeka, ks, usa- 7 1/2 hours due east of Cheyenne Mountain Posts: 2,856	i seem to remember something like that but i don't know if it was shau'ri or the monk from maternal instinct. did anyone else interpret the last words of the boy...let's see if i can get them close to right, to win you must deny the battle...i'm thinking the boy is telling them there's no way earth can take on the goa'uld and win...which to me suggests the only way they can win is to saboutage the snakes...you know sorta like teal'c did with apophis and heru'ur in secrets...keep them fighting each other until they kill each other off. then again i may be sleep deprived...but some of his other phrases made sense too. like the one in the beginning, a candle is only as strong as its wick or something like that. it suggests to me that a command is only as good as its leader. and then when he was talking to danny. the whole if the instrument is bad then the music will be too(can't remember it exactly) which was his way of saying if he remembers it will ruin him. then daniel replying but music doesn't play the composer, meaning memories don't make the person...and the kid said, not this time or something like it which meant whoever has the memories will go bad...at least in my warped little head. any ideas?

21st January 2001, 09:24 AM	#25 (permalink)
kelsi Expert Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sitting in front of my computer, at home, on Chulak. Posts: 1,411	Just butting in here, about what you were saying a while ago. Is JRB in Earthquake in NY?!

21st January 2001, 11:13 AM	#26 (permalink)
stillzen sarcastic shit Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: paris, france Posts: 147	yas he is, but he's a real psycho.. he tries to kill the woman who plays renee in ally mac beal, but he ebds up killing himself instead

21st January 2001, 01:22 PM	#27 (permalink)
kelsi Expert Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sitting in front of my computer, at home, on Chulak. Posts: 1,411	Is it really sad if you're a JR/Martouf fan? And where does the Earthquake come in?!

21st January 2001, 03:16 PM	#28 (permalink)
skydiver Trivia Goddess Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: topeka, ks, usa- 7 1/2 hours due east of Cheyenne Mountain Posts: 2,856	well it's the earthquake that starts the whole thing. jrb and renee and others are in a subway car when it hits and there's that whole survival bit...basically it's the typical disaster movie scenario where the disaster hits then you get to see how it and events created by it effects the stars. because really...well up until the point where he dies, marty is so darned charming you don't know for sure if he's psycho. you know i just thought of somehting. the kids name was shifu, which daniel translated to mean 'light' and well...it as 'the light' that brought out danny's dark side? i'm getting a feeling either the writer put a lot of work into double meanings and symbolology or there were a heck of a lot of coinciences in this eps. [Edited by skydiver on 01-21-2001 at 03:00 PM]

22nd January 2001, 02:38 PM	#30 (permalink)
orange Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 72	Remember that song? ["Do you remember the times of your life?" ] Anyway, Debra, you got me thinking again - I see what you're saying about the memories. Oh boy I wonder where this is going to lead in the show... Thanks for the discussion, too. -Orange