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jsc · 26th June 2001, 05:52 AM

The agenda for the writers was to get Sam to use the hand device, Nothing was explored very well. I guess that is why I wasn't enchanted with the episode... it left so much unsaid and unexplored.

shiloh · 26th June 2001, 04:39 PM

I agree. It also felt cheap. Like, after spending so much on Into the Fire they had to save money by setting an episode here on earth, all standing sets, not much in the way of special effects, few speaking roles for guest stars, and the episode was written to meet those needs rather than the other way around. Seth ain't one of my favorites, either.

Sci-Fi16 · 17th September 2001, 06:08 PM

Not all that bad. I'd hoped more of the conflict between Jacob and Selmak would become apperant. I did imagine that when that man was talking about his son, that Jacob was getting a serious talking to by Selmak. A question: Is Selmak refered to as male or female now its in Jacob?

PTeppic · 18th September 2001, 02:24 AM

I got the impression Selmac was male, even when within Saroushe in the Tok'ra caves. I am not sure how much it matters to them to be in the "right" sexed host, even perhaps in the case of Apophis and Sha're for the events first described in "Secrets".

Cat · 27th September 2001, 08:51 PM

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I found it incredibly hard to believe that sam found it so easy to use the ribbon device all of a sudden (because it took her incredible concentration in Thor's Chariot).

She was faced with a kill or be killed situation. Maybe that was enough to get her more focused and find whatever it was that let her use the RD.

Or maybe, it was just one of those storyline oversights

skydiver · 27th September 2001, 09:24 PM

some have suggested that your personal feelings come into play, and sam was ticked off...seth had just hurt her dad, she was mad and she creamed him.
my only regret is that she hasn't picked up the ribbon device since.

Cat · 27th September 2001, 10:40 PM

sounds reasonable. Humans probably need that extra something, like high emotion, to feed their ability to control the RD. Whereas the Goa'uld are just power hungry, aggressive and nasty enough as a race to be able to utilise it naturally.

btw, is the RD real Goa'uld technology or something they've ripped off from some-one else? Like the they did with the stargate

PTeppic · 28th September 2001, 02:45 AM

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Originally posted by ShelbyS
I found it incredibly hard to believe that sam found it so easy to use the ribbon device all of a sudden (because it took her incredible concentration in Thor's Chariot). Also, it seemed a bit odd that Selmac (a very old and wise Tok'ra) couldn't of killed seth with the RD. Why did Sam have to do it?

it is explained later (something like Upgrades?) that the RD is activated by thought control and emotions... and having just seen her father injured, that would lead to a LOT of emotion, even with Selmac to help cure him. As for Jacob not getting there first - just speed of timing? Or maybe he was being gentle and giving Seth a chance? Or just a plot device...

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And what was with the weird look that sam gave jack after she had killed seth? it was like she was really angry with him or something.

I would guess that she is feeling :dead: at having had to kill someone, and in such a gruesome way. [This is not a sex thing!] I am guessing that like most soldiers, she is human underneath, and really prefers not having to kill people. And the ribbon device seems quite unpleasant in what it does, as most of SG-1 know too well.

skydiver · 28th September 2001, 02:25 PM

that and it has to be horribly shocking to discover you can cream someone with the mere power of your mind...something we're certainly not used to.
actually i'd think it'd be sorta scary

GryphonMage · 29th September 2003, 05:44 PM

Just watched this last night and I loved the Jaffa joke and how Teal'c cracked up. But I felt kind of bad for him cause no one else laughed. Poor guy. But man, he looks like a totally different guy when he was a facial expression other than "stern and forbidding". Other than that...I think it was a decent episode. Not the best, not the worst. I kind of feel like Sam's Goa'uld markers are getting to be a little bit too Deis ex Machina though.

captaincarter · 29th September 2003, 09:20 PM

I love this episode. It's in my Top 25.

Sindri · 2nd April 2004, 05:35 PM

The scene in which O'Neill and Jackson subdue Seth's bodyguards seems particularly unlikely. Without getting hit the pair were able to shoot each of 4 guards once and only once while three were emptying AK-47s at them. Firing 2 weapons at once inhibits lining up the sights and should prevent the shooter hitting anything from more than 1-2m, in this case the targets were at least 6m away. Also Jackson is not a professional soldier and should have had weaker combat abilities.

H1<K · 4th June 2004, 09:26 AM

1 or 2 meters is an awfully short distance I think I could hit targets up to 10 meters with two pistols.......but I will agree that preventing a double-strike on a person would have be extremely difficult.

The Jaffa joke was sheer classic........one of the top scenes of series 3.

When speaking about Go'aulds through history, Hitler stands out to be one that in my mind would have made a perfect base for a possesed person.

PTeppic · 4th June 2004, 09:48 PM

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When speaking about Go'aulds through history, Hitler stands out to be one that in my mind would have made a perfect base for a possesed person.

You could list most of the major (and minor) dictators: Napoleon, the Borgias, Ghengis Khan...

26th June 2001, 05:52 AM	#31 (permalink)
jsc God Like Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California,U.S.A. Posts: 4,353	The agenda for the writers was to get Sam to use the hand device, Nothing was explored very well. I guess that is why I wasn't enchanted with the episode... it left so much unsaid and unexplored.

26th June 2001, 04:39 PM	#32 (permalink)
shiloh Cogito ergo doleo Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Culver City, California Posts: 630	I agree. It also felt cheap. Like, after spending so much on Into the Fire they had to save money by setting an episode here on earth, all standing sets, not much in the way of special effects, few speaking roles for guest stars, and the episode was written to meet those needs rather than the other way around. Seth ain't one of my favorites, either.

17th September 2001, 06:08 PM	#33 (permalink)
Sci-Fi16 Expert Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: England, S.E. Posts: 564	Not all that bad. I'd hoped more of the conflict between Jacob and Selmak would become apperant. I did imagine that when that man was talking about his son, that Jacob was getting a serious talking to by Selmak. A question: Is Selmak refered to as male or female now its in Jacob?

18th September 2001, 02:24 AM	#34 (permalink)
PTeppic Reetou Diplomatic Corp Join Date: May 2001 Location: North-west UK Posts: 3,082	I got the impression Selmac was male, even when within Saroushe in the Tok'ra caves. I am not sure how much it matters to them to be in the "right" sexed host, even perhaps in the case of Apophis and Sha're for the events first described in "Secrets".

27th September 2001, 09:24 PM	#36 (permalink)
skydiver Trivia Goddess Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: topeka, ks, usa- 7 1/2 hours due east of Cheyenne Mountain Posts: 2,856	some have suggested that your personal feelings come into play, and sam was ticked off...seth had just hurt her dad, she was mad and she creamed him. my only regret is that she hasn't picked up the ribbon device since.

27th September 2001, 10:40 PM	#37 (permalink)
Cat Look! I'm posting again! Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: new south wales, australia Posts: 2,071	sounds reasonable. Humans probably need that extra something, like high emotion, to feed their ability to control the RD. Whereas the Goa'uld are just power hungry, aggressive and nasty enough as a race to be able to utilise it naturally. btw, is the RD real Goa'uld technology or something they've ripped off from some-one else? Like the they did with the stargate

28th September 2001, 02:25 PM	#39 (permalink)
skydiver Trivia Goddess Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: topeka, ks, usa- 7 1/2 hours due east of Cheyenne Mountain Posts: 2,856	that and it has to be horribly shocking to discover you can cream someone with the mere power of your mind...something we're certainly not used to. actually i'd think it'd be sorta scary

29th September 2003, 05:44 PM	#40 (permalink)
GryphonMage Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Nuevo Mexico Posts: 19	Just watched this last night and I loved the Jaffa joke and how Teal'c cracked up. But I felt kind of bad for him cause no one else laughed. Poor guy. But man, he looks like a totally different guy when he was a facial expression other than "stern and forbidding". Other than that...I think it was a decent episode. Not the best, not the worst. I kind of feel like Sam's Goa'uld markers are getting to be a little bit too Deis ex Machina though.

29th September 2003, 09:20 PM	#41 (permalink)
captaincarter Admiral Adama Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 559	I love this episode. It's in my Top 25.

2nd April 2004, 05:35 PM	#42 (permalink)
Sindri Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 37	The scene in which O'Neill and Jackson subdue Seth's bodyguards seems particularly unlikely. Without getting hit the pair were able to shoot each of 4 guards once and only once while three were emptying AK-47s at them. Firing 2 weapons at once inhibits lining up the sights and should prevent the shooter hitting anything from more than 1-2m, in this case the targets were at least 6m away. Also Jackson is not a professional soldier and should have had weaker combat abilities.

4th June 2004, 09:26 AM	#43 (permalink)
H1<K Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Bathurst Posts: 7	1 or 2 meters is an awfully short distance I think I could hit targets up to 10 meters with two pistols.......but I will agree that preventing a double-strike on a person would have be extremely difficult. The Jaffa joke was sheer classic........one of the top scenes of series 3. When speaking about Go'aulds through history, Hitler stands out to be one that in my mind would have made a perfect base for a possesed person.