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Mishkaz · 2nd January 2001, 04:49 PM

wow, I've noticed other shows ripping off films, tv etc, I just never knew anyone admitted to it. I'm gonna be rethinking all the ep's now to see what else they've "borrowed".

jsc · 2nd January 2001, 10:36 PM

MishKaz,

The line is fine between ripoff and borrowing or copying. If you see a style of clothing you like and copy the look it is called a 'fad'. The same with hair styles, words etc. If someone takes your idea or words or pictures or movies that is a ripoff. Where tribute stops is when, I presume, it is unaknowledged. As an anthropologist, we readily aknowledge we "borrow" from every science. That is the fun as culture can be assumed at its lowest end to be things we borrow from each other.

Mishkaz · 3rd January 2001, 04:46 PM

I hear ya, I think progress is taking someone elses idea and pushing it forward or expanding on it, where as ripping-off could be said to be taking a idea in it's original state and regurgitating (sp?) it for it's repeat value.

Wow man, that's soooooo deep heh heh

jsc · 3rd January 2001, 05:20 PM

Of course culture does not say that we change what we borrow only that we pass it on!

Love the conversation Mishkaz, thanks! You have 23 posts until you are twined!

SGPflughaupt · 5th January 2001, 08:32 PM

So...Basically, William Shakespear was great ripoff artist?

jsc · 6th January 2001, 03:11 AM

You got it SGP! He would go anywhere for his plots including in other theaters. Of course this was a common practice back then. Authors (or scribes hired by authors) would sit inside the theaters, like the Globe, and try to copy word for word. That is one of the reasons Shakespeare's works have survived to come down to us over 400 years. Christopher Marlowe was considered one of the leading playwrites of his day, not Shakespeare and we find this out from the people who copied (because they were literate in an age where education was really a privledge)
popular plays.

One of my professors at the university declared that "A Winter's Tale" or at least the copy we have survived because it was hacked (very badly because the rhyming couplets are sort of Shakespearian and the imagery and poetry is not up to Shakespeare's best. (I suggested that Willie had an off day and the man Berserked out!) There are still debates of which copies of the plays are originals and which aren't. All fascinating stuff if you are interested.

Any good university library follows these debates.

Mishkaz · 6th January 2001, 02:13 PM

Jsc, "she's way smarter than me" heh heh

jsc · 7th January 2001, 09:04 AM

I loved Shakespeare for the words and emotions protrayed. And read also and seen the plays and movies brought to life...or in some cases brought to death!~ Just a passion, in my old age I watch some TV not much, but I love to read and cultural change evolution as well as evolution was an outgrowth of that. I was simply following my interests. Am not any brighter than anyone else. Just difference in age and emplasis in what I liked. At one time in American history (1800's), Shakespeare's plays were the most popular of cultural entertainment (likeTV today) and my grandmother always loved them and read them and discussed them with me and my twin!

SGPflughaupt · 7th January 2001, 07:59 PM

Shakespear only proves a point in my mind....If you're gonna copy someelse's ideas at least do a good job with it.

I like seeing others use old ideas or plots but only if they do it right...Heck, I liked ID4 even if was basically a thinly repackage of HG Well's War of the Worlds. Its fun to watch so I hold no condemnation of their use of a good classic in a new cover.

jsc · 7th January 2001, 08:43 PM

SGP,

Yes, I agree, but I like new covers around old classics done well!

Mishkaz · 16th January 2001, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jsc
I loved Shakespeare for the words and emotions protrayed.

JSC, I have an excellent little toy on my 'puter which is an auto insult machine (nothing too rude) it also features random Shakespearian insults which are hysterical.
Here's a sample:

Thou saucy eye offending moldwarp.
Thou droning trady-gaiting trotpole.
Thou brazen, horn-mad vassal.
Thou lumpish, base-court flap-dragon.

There's loads of 'em.

I'd be happy to email it to you, if you like (205KB)

regards
Mishkaz

jsc · 16th January 2001, 08:41 PM

PLEASE!!! In iambiac pentameter! With rhyming ending couplets!

Chilly · 10th June 2002, 07:55 PM

wow
his eyes........daniels eyes are SO blue

cute

little smaug · 11th June 2002, 11:39 AM

It was great to see an episode revolving around Daniel for once. It seemed like the writers were compensating for the lack of Jack by giving Daniel lots of funny lines. I particularly liked

"Tossing the symbiote head, that's always popular."

I also liked

"Anyone with a snake in their head, raise your hand"

and the expression on Jack's face after

"What if I'm not O'Neill?"
"Then I was not just talking to you."

Jack is so cute when he's confused!

16th January 2001, 08:41 PM	#27 (permalink)
jsc God Like Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California,U.S.A. Posts: 4,353	PLEASE!! PLEASE!!! In iambiac pentameter! With rhyming ending couplets!

2nd January 2001, 04:49 PM	#16 (permalink)
Mishkaz Gatefink Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: UK, Mishington twinned with Skipville Posts: 978	wow, I've noticed other shows ripping off films, tv etc, I just never knew anyone admitted to it. I'm gonna be rethinking all the ep's now to see what else they've "borrowed".

2nd January 2001, 10:36 PM	#17 (permalink)
jsc God Like Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California,U.S.A. Posts: 4,353	MishKaz, The line is fine between ripoff and borrowing or copying. If you see a style of clothing you like and copy the look it is called a 'fad'. The same with hair styles, words etc. If someone takes your idea or words or pictures or movies that is a ripoff. Where tribute stops is when, I presume, it is unaknowledged. As an anthropologist, we readily aknowledge we "borrow" from every science. That is the fun as culture can be assumed at its lowest end to be things we borrow from each other.

3rd January 2001, 04:46 PM	#18 (permalink)
Mishkaz Gatefink Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: UK, Mishington twinned with Skipville Posts: 978	I hear ya, I think progress is taking someone elses idea and pushing it forward or expanding on it, where as ripping-off could be said to be taking a idea in it's original state and regurgitating (sp?) it for it's repeat value. Wow man, that's soooooo deep heh heh

3rd January 2001, 05:20 PM	#19 (permalink)
jsc God Like Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California,U.S.A. Posts: 4,353	Of course culture does not say that we change what we borrow only that we pass it on! Love the conversation Mishkaz, thanks! You have 23 posts until you are twined!

5th January 2001, 08:32 PM	#20 (permalink)
SGPflughaupt Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northwest Arkansas,USA Posts: 184	So...Basically, William Shakespear was great ripoff artist?

6th January 2001, 03:11 AM	#21 (permalink)
jsc God Like Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California,U.S.A. Posts: 4,353	You got it SGP! He would go anywhere for his plots including in other theaters. Of course this was a common practice back then. Authors (or scribes hired by authors) would sit inside the theaters, like the Globe, and try to copy word for word. That is one of the reasons Shakespeare's works have survived to come down to us over 400 years. Christopher Marlowe was considered one of the leading playwrites of his day, not Shakespeare and we find this out from the people who copied (because they were literate in an age where education was really a privledge) popular plays. One of my professors at the university declared that "A Winter's Tale" or at least the copy we have survived because it was hacked (very badly because the rhyming couplets are sort of Shakespearian and the imagery and poetry is not up to Shakespeare's best. (I suggested that Willie had an off day and the man Berserked out!) There are still debates of which copies of the plays are originals and which aren't. All fascinating stuff if you are interested. Any good university library follows these debates.

6th January 2001, 02:13 PM	#22 (permalink)
Mishkaz Gatefink Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: UK, Mishington twinned with Skipville Posts: 978	Jsc, "she's way smarter than me" heh heh

7th January 2001, 09:04 AM	#23 (permalink)
jsc God Like Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California,U.S.A. Posts: 4,353	I loved Shakespeare for the words and emotions protrayed. And read also and seen the plays and movies brought to life...or in some cases brought to death!~ Just a passion, in my old age I watch some TV not much, but I love to read and cultural change evolution as well as evolution was an outgrowth of that. I was simply following my interests. Am not any brighter than anyone else. Just difference in age and emplasis in what I liked. At one time in American history (1800's), Shakespeare's plays were the most popular of cultural entertainment (likeTV today) and my grandmother always loved them and read them and discussed them with me and my twin!

7th January 2001, 07:59 PM	#24 (permalink)
SGPflughaupt Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northwest Arkansas,USA Posts: 184	Shakespear only proves a point in my mind....If you're gonna copy someelse's ideas at least do a good job with it. I like seeing others use old ideas or plots but only if they do it right...Heck, I liked ID4 even if was basically a thinly repackage of HG Well's War of the Worlds. Its fun to watch so I hold no condemnation of their use of a good classic in a new cover.

7th January 2001, 08:43 PM	#25 (permalink)
jsc God Like Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California,U.S.A. Posts: 4,353	SGP, Yes, I agree, but I like new covers around old classics done well!

10th June 2002, 07:55 PM	#28 (permalink)
Chilly I like boys Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: England Posts: 4,144	wow his eyes........daniels eyes are SO blue cute

11th June 2002, 11:39 AM	#29 (permalink)
little smaug Fire and Brimstone Join Date: May 2002 Location: South Yorkshire Posts: 1,343	It was great to see an episode revolving around Daniel for once. It seemed like the writers were compensating for the lack of Jack by giving Daniel lots of funny lines. I particularly liked "Tossing the symbiote head, that's always popular." I also liked "Anyone with a snake in their head, raise your hand" and the expression on Jack's face after "What if I'm not O'Neill?" "Then I was not just talking to you." Jack is so cute when he's confused!