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archiver · 7th September 2000, 06:12 PM

SGPflughaupt

That certainly answer my questions (huh?).

What I really want to know is if I order DVD's from a uk site will it work on my computer or will have I wasted my hard earned dollars (pounds,yen,etc.) ?????

archiver · 7th September 2000, 06:12 PM

sime

Well that started a conversation :-)
There would appear to be a bit of confusion, allow me to gibber technical.

Most countries around the World use one of
three main television broadcast Standards.

These three main standards are NTSC, PAL and SECAM. However, each standard is incompatible with the other... That's standards for you

For example, a video recording made in the UK could not be played on US standard VCR's or shown on the TV and the same goes for DVD's.

DVD's are are however also encoded with in a reigon format numbered 1 - 6 where 1 is USA and 2 the UK the remainder are for the rest of the world.

Now it is important to understand that with the progress of electronics a great deal of videos and TV's are now capable of understanding both PAL & NTSC formats and in some cases SECAM.

For Example I have a TV and Video bought in the UK and they run as PAL by default however the video recorder plays NTSC tapes and the TV displays them as they have the capability (Check your manuals yours may be compatible)

My DVD Player is infact NTSC but because my TV recognises that format I can see pictures ok (It was also £40 cheaper then the PAL version). The DVD player is also a Multi reigon player and bought as such. This enables me to change reigon with the remote @ will.

If you have a DVD player in your PC you can obtain software that will decode any reigon format you just need to surf.

The TV standards are as follows: -

The first colour TV broadcast system was implemented in the United States in 1953. This was based on the NTSC (National Television System Committee) standard. NTSC is used by many countries on the American continent as well as many Asian countries including Japan.

NTSC runs on 525 lines/frame.

SYSTEM NTSC M
Lines/Field 525/60
Horizantal Frequency 15.734 kHz
Vertical Frequency 60 Hz
Colour Subcarrier Frequency 3.579545 mHz
Video Bandwidth 4.2 mHz
Sound Carrier 4.5 mHz

The PAL (Phase Alternating Line) standard was introduced in the early 1960's and implemented in most countries except for France.The PAL standard utilises a wider channel bandwidth than NTSC which allows for better picture quality. PAL runs on 625 lines/frame.

SYSTEM PAL B,G,H PAL I PAL D PAL N PAL M
Line/Field 625/50 625/50 625/50 625/50 525/60
Horizontal Frequency 15.625 kHz 15.625 kHz 15.625 kHz 15.625 kHz 15.750 kHz
Vertical Frequency 50 Hz 50 Hz 50 Hz 50 Hz 60 Hz
Colour Sub Carrier Frequency 4.433618 MHz 4.433618 MHz 4.433618 MHz 3.582056 MHz 3.575611 MHz
Video Bandwidth 5.0 MHz 5.5 MHz 6.0 MHz 4.2 MHz 4.2 MHz
Sound Carrier 5.5 MHz 6.0 MHz 6.5 MHz 4.5 MHz 4.5 MHz

The SECAM (Sequential Couleur Avec Memoire or Sequential Colour with Memory) standard was introduced in the early 1960's and implemented in France. SECAM uses the same bandwidth as PAL but transmits the colour information sequentially.
SECAM runs on 625 lines/frame.

SYSTEM SECAM B,G,H SECAM D,K,K1,L
Line/Field 625/50 625/50
Horizontal Frequency 15.625 kHz 15.625 kHz
Vertical Frequency 50 Hz 50 Hz
Video Bandwidth 5.0 MHz 6.0 MHz
Sound Carrier 5.5 MHz 6.5 MHz

Live in the UK - For TV buy a PAL Multi region DVD player.

UK - PC - Buy a Multi reigon system or Get the software off the net (won't be as fast as hardware)

Live in US same but NTSC rather than PAL for the TV.

Later,

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------- Sime@00 ------
http://www.sgc-uk.com

archiver · 7th September 2000, 06:12 PM

padders

ok i think that was where i was coming from...
but...

say you have a TV that only understands PAL and you buy a DVD player that only "outputs" PAL, it will still play Region 1 DVDs (if it is multi region)

What I am saying is that there is a difference between DVD media and videos. Videos are recorded in the format they were recorded in be it PAL, NYSC whatever whereas DVDs are not (being digital)?

Is that the case?

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Chris Padfield, administrator for TalkStargate.com
http://www.talkstargate.com/ - Talk Stargate till your heart's content!

archiver · 7th September 2000, 06:13 PM

SGPflughaupt

just great.......my head just exploded.

archiver · 7th September 2000, 06:13 PM

MythingLink

Thank you sime. padders, dvd's are not only encoded by region but by color system (NTSC, PAL, or SECAM).
Straight out of my owner's manual.

This player conforms to the NTSC color system. You cannot play discs recorded in other color systems such as PAL or SECAM.

Then it goes on to explain the Region thing. I can play Region 1 or DVDs labeled ALL.

Trying to find where the TV manual is to see what formats it supports.

Cheers,

----------
MythingLink
The Woolfden: http://www.woolfden.net

archiver · 7th September 2000, 06:13 PM

sime

Padders... MythinkLink is spot on.
You bought your kit in the UK it is therefor PAL now forget about PAL NTSC SECAM it complicates things ignore it!

You want to play reigon 1 dvd's on a TV based player then you MUST be able to set the player to reigon 1 if you can't then it won't work (The disk will simply eject).

You want to play DVD's on your PC then you look @ the software that came with it to see if it allows reigon changing if not then you go here http://www.opendvd.org/ this site will answer all your questions and point you to further information sources downloads etc

Oh that DVD I ordered from PLAY247 (Supernova) was delivered by a rather soggy postman this morning... Cool

Has James Spader in it will be intresting to see him in a Sci-Fi movie but not as Daniel.

Later,

----------
------- Sime@00 ------
http://www.sgc-uk.com

archiver · 7th September 2000, 06:13 PM

SGPflughaupt

Thank you Sime. That last explaination did not cause my head to explode. I also appreciate the site address because my computer came from Gateway and doesnt include a lot of paper documentation with the various software apps. And what did come is either legal documents (padder's StarLawyers must work for Gateway on the side) or kindergarden level manuals ("See Dick and Jane. See Dick put CD in Drive. Jane start program. See Dick scream at computer when error msg appears

).

archiver · 7th September 2000, 06:13 PM

padders

I just got mine from NEC and it did not even have anything about the motherboard layout. When i thought i had screwed up the ram i thought. arr check that and there is nothing at all. Manual is about 150 pages of which about 25 are english and about 10 consist of the warranty information :-)
----------
Chris Padfield, administrator for TalkStargate.com
http://www.talkstargate.com/ - Talk Stargate till your heart's content!

archiver · 7th September 2000, 06:14 PM

SGPflughaupt

I just checked out that web site Sime was kind enought to provide.
Ok I think I got the gist of things. My DVD-CD drive will play region 2 but my software is designed to accept only DVD with the region 1 ID. So.......if I bought DVD player software in the UK then my DVD drive will play region 2.

The B*****DS. You cant tell me this is legal what the studios are doing. I have the legal right in this country to purchase from overseas locations (just like shirts and canned food) but they intentionally put a block on my software to show only DVD that have the same code?. That is like sewing the neck closed on italian shirts sold in the US just to protect the profits of the company to sell those same shirts here later and at a higher cost. This is not a case of incompatible technology like VHS and Beta or the difference between US and UK television signal standards this is intentionally putting the equiv of a software virus in my machine and our govts support this (you might as well say the "I love you" bug was a free upgrade).

archiver · 7th September 2000, 06:14 PM

SGPflughaupt

The irony is that I am wanting to BUY the studios stuff..I am not asking anyone send me pirate copies so the studio is still getting the money.
Every company has the right to make money and therefore continue to be able to supply a product that we want...they just dont have the right to censor a product in order to create profit.

archiver · 7th September 2000, 06:14 PM

padders

DVD player software for DVD in computer? go to that link sime gave us - there is stuff for free.
If for DVD player for TV do a web search, you may be able to hack the player by typing a code you may need to physically mod the player.

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Chris Padfield, administrator for TalkStargate.com
http://www.talkstargate.com/ - Talk Stargate till your heart's content!

archiver · 7th September 2000, 06:14 PM

SGPflughaupt

I am needing it for a PC DVD Player. I have CINEMASTER at this time. I am having problems with downloading the software DVD Genie at the site 7TH Zone (it says I am unauthorized) I have sent a message to them telling them of my problem and hopefully it can be solved.

archiver · 7th September 2000, 06:14 PM

padders

I got the same thing. I think we need to register. I tried to register but there was some sort of error. When i clicked back all my info was gone and i could not be bothered to fill it in at that time.
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Chris Padfield, administrator for TalkStargate.com
http://www.talkstargate.com/ - Talk Stargate till your heart's content!

archiver · 7th September 2000, 06:15 PM

Sean3w

You poor poor UK people. HAHA not. You guys get the episodes though,
----------
Come visit http://www.sg2070.com

AJ Storm · 27th May 2002, 09:11 PM

strange this is.....

I live in the UK, and I went to buy the stargate movie a few weeks ago, yes it is out of print, you can't get it on VHS at all, but there are plenty of DVDs out there..... Amazon has it, HMV has loads of copies, thats where I got mine from, it comes in a groovy box that shapes like a pyramid

So its dead easy to get you just didnt look hard enough

7th September 2000, 06:12 PM	#16 (permalink)
archiver God Like Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1,854	SGPflughaupt That certainly answer my questions (huh?). What I really want to know is if I order DVD's from a uk site will it work on my computer or will have I wasted my hard earned dollars (pounds,yen,etc.) ?????

7th September 2000, 06:12 PM	#17 (permalink)
archiver God Like Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1,854	sime Well that started a conversation :-) There would appear to be a bit of confusion, allow me to gibber technical. Most countries around the World use one of three main television broadcast Standards. These three main standards are NTSC, PAL and SECAM. However, each standard is incompatible with the other... That's standards for you For example, a video recording made in the UK could not be played on US standard VCR's or shown on the TV and the same goes for DVD's. DVD's are are however also encoded with in a reigon format numbered 1 - 6 where 1 is USA and 2 the UK the remainder are for the rest of the world. Now it is important to understand that with the progress of electronics a great deal of videos and TV's are now capable of understanding both PAL & NTSC formats and in some cases SECAM. For Example I have a TV and Video bought in the UK and they run as PAL by default however the video recorder plays NTSC tapes and the TV displays them as they have the capability (Check your manuals yours may be compatible) My DVD Player is infact NTSC but because my TV recognises that format I can see pictures ok (It was also £40 cheaper then the PAL version). The DVD player is also a Multi reigon player and bought as such. This enables me to change reigon with the remote @ will. If you have a DVD player in your PC you can obtain software that will decode any reigon format you just need to surf. The TV standards are as follows: - The first colour TV broadcast system was implemented in the United States in 1953. This was based on the NTSC (National Television System Committee) standard. NTSC is used by many countries on the American continent as well as many Asian countries including Japan. NTSC runs on 525 lines/frame. SYSTEM NTSC M Lines/Field 525/60 Horizantal Frequency 15.734 kHz Vertical Frequency 60 Hz Colour Subcarrier Frequency 3.579545 mHz Video Bandwidth 4.2 mHz Sound Carrier 4.5 mHz The PAL (Phase Alternating Line) standard was introduced in the early 1960's and implemented in most countries except for France.The PAL standard utilises a wider channel bandwidth than NTSC which allows for better picture quality. PAL runs on 625 lines/frame. SYSTEM PAL B,G,H PAL I PAL D PAL N PAL M Line/Field 625/50 625/50 625/50 625/50 525/60 Horizontal Frequency 15.625 kHz 15.625 kHz 15.625 kHz 15.625 kHz 15.750 kHz Vertical Frequency 50 Hz 50 Hz 50 Hz 50 Hz 60 Hz Colour Sub Carrier Frequency 4.433618 MHz 4.433618 MHz 4.433618 MHz 3.582056 MHz 3.575611 MHz Video Bandwidth 5.0 MHz 5.5 MHz 6.0 MHz 4.2 MHz 4.2 MHz Sound Carrier 5.5 MHz 6.0 MHz 6.5 MHz 4.5 MHz 4.5 MHz The SECAM (Sequential Couleur Avec Memoire or Sequential Colour with Memory) standard was introduced in the early 1960's and implemented in France. SECAM uses the same bandwidth as PAL but transmits the colour information sequentially. SECAM runs on 625 lines/frame. SYSTEM SECAM B,G,H SECAM D,K,K1,L Line/Field 625/50 625/50 Horizontal Frequency 15.625 kHz 15.625 kHz Vertical Frequency 50 Hz 50 Hz Video Bandwidth 5.0 MHz 6.0 MHz Sound Carrier 5.5 MHz 6.5 MHz Live in the UK - For TV buy a PAL Multi region DVD player. UK - PC - Buy a Multi reigon system or Get the software off the net (won't be as fast as hardware) Live in US same but NTSC rather than PAL for the TV. Later, ---------- ------- Sime@00 ------ http://www.sgc-uk.com

7th September 2000, 06:12 PM	#18 (permalink)
archiver God Like Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1,854	padders ok i think that was where i was coming from... but... say you have a TV that only understands PAL and you buy a DVD player that only "outputs" PAL, it will still play Region 1 DVDs (if it is multi region) What I am saying is that there is a difference between DVD media and videos. Videos are recorded in the format they were recorded in be it PAL, NYSC whatever whereas DVDs are not (being digital)? Is that the case? ---------- Chris Padfield, administrator for TalkStargate.com http://www.talkstargate.com/ - Talk Stargate till your heart's content!

7th September 2000, 06:13 PM	#19 (permalink)
archiver God Like Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1,854	SGPflughaupt just great.......my head just exploded.

7th September 2000, 06:13 PM	#20 (permalink)
archiver God Like Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1,854	MythingLink Thank you sime. padders, dvd's are not only encoded by region but by color system (NTSC, PAL, or SECAM). Straight out of my owner's manual. This player conforms to the NTSC color system. You cannot play discs recorded in other color systems such as PAL or SECAM. Then it goes on to explain the Region thing. I can play Region 1 or DVDs labeled ALL. Trying to find where the TV manual is to see what formats it supports. Cheers, ---------- MythingLink The Woolfden: http://www.woolfden.net

7th September 2000, 06:13 PM	#21 (permalink)
archiver God Like Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1,854	sime Padders... MythinkLink is spot on. You bought your kit in the UK it is therefor PAL now forget about PAL NTSC SECAM it complicates things ignore it! You want to play reigon 1 dvd's on a TV based player then you MUST be able to set the player to reigon 1 if you can't then it won't work (The disk will simply eject). You want to play DVD's on your PC then you look @ the software that came with it to see if it allows reigon changing if not then you go here http://www.opendvd.org/ this site will answer all your questions and point you to further information sources downloads etc Oh that DVD I ordered from PLAY247 (Supernova) was delivered by a rather soggy postman this morning... Cool Has James Spader in it will be intresting to see him in a Sci-Fi movie but not as Daniel. Later, ---------- ------- Sime@00 ------ http://www.sgc-uk.com

7th September 2000, 06:13 PM	#22 (permalink)
archiver God Like Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1,854	SGPflughaupt Thank you Sime. That last explaination did not cause my head to explode. I also appreciate the site address because my computer came from Gateway and doesnt include a lot of paper documentation with the various software apps. And what did come is either legal documents (padder's StarLawyers must work for Gateway on the side) or kindergarden level manuals ("See Dick and Jane. See Dick put CD in Drive. Jane start program. See Dick scream at computer when error msg appears ).

7th September 2000, 06:13 PM	#23 (permalink)
archiver God Like Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1,854	padders I just got mine from NEC and it did not even have anything about the motherboard layout. When i thought i had screwed up the ram i thought. arr check that and there is nothing at all. Manual is about 150 pages of which about 25 are english and about 10 consist of the warranty information :-) ---------- Chris Padfield, administrator for TalkStargate.com http://www.talkstargate.com/ - Talk Stargate till your heart's content!

7th September 2000, 06:14 PM	#24 (permalink)
archiver God Like Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1,854	SGPflughaupt I just checked out that web site Sime was kind enought to provide. Ok I think I got the gist of things. My DVD-CD drive will play region 2 but my software is designed to accept only DVD with the region 1 ID. So.......if I bought DVD player software in the UK then my DVD drive will play region 2. The B*****DS. You cant tell me this is legal what the studios are doing. I have the legal right in this country to purchase from overseas locations (just like shirts and canned food) but they intentionally put a block on my software to show only DVD that have the same code?. That is like sewing the neck closed on italian shirts sold in the US just to protect the profits of the company to sell those same shirts here later and at a higher cost. This is not a case of incompatible technology like VHS and Beta or the difference between US and UK television signal standards this is intentionally putting the equiv of a software virus in my machine and our govts support this (you might as well say the "I love you" bug was a free upgrade).

7th September 2000, 06:14 PM	#25 (permalink)
archiver God Like Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1,854	SGPflughaupt The irony is that I am wanting to BUY the studios stuff..I am not asking anyone send me pirate copies so the studio is still getting the money. Every company has the right to make money and therefore continue to be able to supply a product that we want...they just dont have the right to censor a product in order to create profit.

7th September 2000, 06:14 PM	#26 (permalink)
archiver God Like Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1,854	padders DVD player software for DVD in computer? go to that link sime gave us - there is stuff for free. If for DVD player for TV do a web search, you may be able to hack the player by typing a code you may need to physically mod the player. ---------- Chris Padfield, administrator for TalkStargate.com http://www.talkstargate.com/ - Talk Stargate till your heart's content!

7th September 2000, 06:14 PM	#27 (permalink)
archiver God Like Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1,854	SGPflughaupt I am needing it for a PC DVD Player. I have CINEMASTER at this time. I am having problems with downloading the software DVD Genie at the site 7TH Zone (it says I am unauthorized) I have sent a message to them telling them of my problem and hopefully it can be solved.

7th September 2000, 06:14 PM	#28 (permalink)
archiver God Like Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1,854	padders I got the same thing. I think we need to register. I tried to register but there was some sort of error. When i clicked back all my info was gone and i could not be bothered to fill it in at that time. ---------- Chris Padfield, administrator for TalkStargate.com http://www.talkstargate.com/ - Talk Stargate till your heart's content!

7th September 2000, 06:15 PM	#29 (permalink)
archiver God Like Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1,854	Sean3w You poor poor UK people. HAHA not. You guys get the episodes though, ---------- Come visit http://www.sg2070.com

27th May 2002, 09:11 PM	#30 (permalink)
AJ Storm Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 27	strange this is..... I live in the UK, and I went to buy the stargate movie a few weeks ago, yes it is out of print, you can't get it on VHS at all, but there are plenty of DVDs out there..... Amazon has it, HMV has loads of copies, thats where I got mine from, it comes in a groovy box that shapes like a pyramid So its dead easy to get you just didnt look hard enough