Smeagol and Gollum

[GOLLUM]

Originally Posted by Foxbat

Gollum, for me, is probably the most well rounded, the most three-dimensional character in LOTR.

[Rosemary]

Well fancy that ! A three dimensional Gollum !

[cyborg_cinema]

From Hobbit to Return—at one point or another—Gollum could be relied upon to provide a source of tension.

[GOLLUM]

Who me?.... Never....

Well Ok then but only because that nasty hobbit wanted my Birthday gift..

Sorry for that off-topic diversion My Preciuossess....

[kaneda]

Originally Posted by SDNess

He was resistant to the Ring's power so he wouldn't have become like Gollum...

Was he? Look at what happened to Bilbo, holding onto the ring meant that he didn't age a day. Surely if Frodo had held onto the ring for long enough then he would have become like Gollum. We see the potential all through the film with him becoming more obsessive and selfish and as Blue Skelton says he does succumb to the ring at the end of the film.

[cyborg_cinema]

...Rings does not seem to explain why Bilbo and Frodo were so ring-resistant—compared to Sméagol, who morphed into a raw fish eating lizard in the movie.

[sanityassassin]

Originally Posted by cyborg_cinema

...Rings does not seem to explain why Bilbo and Frodo were so ring-resistant—compared to Sméagol, who morphed into a raw fish eating lizard in the movie.

the reason why bilbo and frodo were more ring resistant was that they own the ring for a much shorter length of time bilbo had it about 50 years and frodo much less but gollum had it for hundreds if not thousands of years it doesn't tell you this in the film but in the books it tells the story of how he slowly got corrupted by the ring and also he was not as good at heart as the hobbits as seen by his petty jelousy by stealing the ring from his cousin/friend

[cyborg_cinema]

Originally Posted by sanityassassin

...in the books it tells the story of how he slowly got corrupted by the ring and also he was not as good at heart as the hobbits as seen by his petty jelousy by stealing the ring from his cousin/friend

...the movie has a quick CGI morph—Sméagol to Gollum.

[sanityassassin]

thats the problem with movies of books they cant tell the whole story like the whole section on tom bombidal the council of elrond was not 30 seconds long aragorn on the paths of the dead was well shortened and the trails of frodo and sam was well cut and that is just a few examples as toilken had so much depth and information in his books that the films would have to be about 10 hours each to fit it in and that just wouldn't work

[Treikayan]

Originally Posted by littlemissattitude

Anyway...Gollum, I realized, reminds me of Dr. Smith, who was one of the regular charaters on that show. He was a stow-away on the Robinson family's spaceship; he was scared of everything and quite the drama queen. And it seemed to me that Gollum had some of those same characteristics.

Interesting perspective on that. I love "Lost in Space." I can see that analogy too. Just as the ring was a catalyst for Gollum's degression, returning to the planet Earth was a catalyst for Dr. Smith's degressions. At least I think.

Oh...the pain...the pain.

[High Eight]

Originally Posted by kyektulu

Personally I dont think frodo would of accomplished his mission without sam, he would of ended uo like smegal im sure!
xxxkyexxx

Sam is the real hero of LOTR. He represents the 'poor bloody infantry' - the ordinary footsoldier, miles from home, fighting and possibly dying for a cause he doesn't really understand but somehow staying cheerful and positive through it all. (Though at the same time enjoying a good moan about.... well, anything, really - and capable of ruthlessness if the need arises).

Tolkien met men like that in the First World war but they have been the backbone of armies since before Agincourt and they are still out there today.

[Nikitta]

I remember watching a scene where Smeagol/Gollum has an argument between those two personalities. Everyone else in the cinema laughed and saw it as a great joke, but I just felt sorry for him for feeling so torn and tormented.

[paranoid marvin]

Gollum is a representation of what Frodo would eventually become if he kept the ring. Whoever it was that said that Frodo would not become like Gollum (remember , in my opinion, is wrong - he would have become exactly like Gollum - in fact even more so , as he was a good , honest person and the ring corrupts absolutely - the nicer a person you are , the nastier you would eventually become - this is why it would have been catastrophic if Gandalf or Galadriel had accepted the Ring. They , unlike Sauron , would become absolutely invincible.

Gollum also represents pity - he's the only character you can feel any pity for
He is a weaker version of Sauron , both of them driven mad by the ring . However Gollum shows he is a stronger character than Dark Lord, retaining some remnants of his former self

[pyan]

Originally Posted by paranoid marvin

it would have been catastrophic if Gandalf or Galadriel had accepted the Ring. They, unlike Sauron, would become absolutely invincible.

Not sure about that - Sauron and Gandalf were both Maia, and so, theoretically, equal in power - whereas Galadriel was only a Noldor, for all her power.
Don't forget that it was Narya and Nenya, the Rings of Fire and Water, that preserved Lorien and supported Gandalf - and I don't think they could wield one of the Three and the Ruling Ring.

[paranoid marvin]

Originally Posted by pyan

Not sure about that - Sauron and Gandalf were both Maia, and so, theoretically, equal in power - whereas Galadriel was only a Noldor, for all her power.
Don't forget that it was Narya and Nenya, the Rings of Fire and Water, that preserved Lorien and supported Gandalf - and I don't think they could wield one of the Three and the Ruling Ring.

they wouldnt need to keep the three , the ruling ring trumps them all
And dont forget that Sauron was an inherently evil person , the ring couldnt make him more evil , instead it made him what he wanted , more powerful , but also weaker in that he became over confident

Gandalf would be an entirely different proposition. He wouldnt make the same mistakes that Sauron made