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MJRevell · 4th August 2006, 01:06 PM

Oh boy. I am not confused in the slightest - simply curious. How can you possibly say that Harry or his scar being a horcrux are different theories? It's exactly the same theory; that something about, or in Harry is a horcrux - that it was created accidentally, and that he, Harry, will have to get rid of it before he vanquishes Voldemort.

On a side note: his scar is not a little containing object hanging on his head like a glass; it is part of him. If anything, it is a mark to show that he does indeed have some of Voldemorts soul in him, and it may well vanish if he removes the soul fragment.

We are agreed on one thing, i believe: if Harry has some Voldysoul in him, it was an accident. Harry didn't have the scar before the incident, so how can it, in itself contain a fragment of soul? How can it, in itself be a horcrux?

That's like saying: "I'm going to make a horcrux with this kettle. But, wait for it, will put my bit of soul right in that little bobble at the top of the lid!" It probably isn't even possible to get that specific when making horcruxes. Otherwise Voldemort no doubt would have put his soul in the last page of his diary, or Nagini's eye, so even if she dies, he can keep the eye, and his soul, safe.

Plus, Voldemort - though cunning - would have had to devise the rather far-fetched plan of creating a scar from scratch, placing it on Harry's head, and then putting some soul in it.

But for the sake of discussion, let's say this theory is correct; that Harry, or, if you insist, his scar, has a piece of Voldemort's soul in him. How, exactly, did it get there?

I think i remember you (or perhaps someone else) posting something about Voldemort's soul leaving his body, after the AK backfired on him, and that, because it was split, one piece sought out Harry, and the other ran away. Do you still believe this? Because, i doubt very much a little piece of soul would seek out a body, and if it did it would be more possession than horcrux. And if this scenario did occur, then his soul would surely split into (at least) two other pieces - which would, on this logic, seek out a further two objects?

I think it is entirely plausible for Harry to be a horcrux - i can see both sides of the argument. I just don't think it will happen. In any case, i look forward to your (possible) gloating :P I can't promise any gloating if my assumptions end up being correct - but it will be interesting.

Paradox 99 · 4th August 2006, 01:32 PM

Out of curiosity - how do the deatheaters get their marks?
Presumablly Volde has some way of creating a magical mark like that, perhaps Harry's scar is something similar?

Joel007 · 4th August 2006, 02:14 PM

I doubt that rowling will ever deign to explain every little quirky detail. Unless there's loads of money in it

Perhaps he who must not be named (not to be confused with he who must not be sneezed at) was less restricted in his research of new spells by his lack of conscience, and consequently was able to make spells no other wizard wanted to, or dared to, attempt

orionsixwings · 5th August 2006, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MJRevell

Oh boy. I am not confused in the slightest - simply curious. How can you possibly say that Harry or his scar being a horcrux are different theories?

It's different. Harry cannot be a Horcrux because his soul is still inside his body -- one soul per body only! Which is why I believe that Quirrell is also NOT a Horcrux, and that Nagini is also NOT a horcrux. Because they still have their own souls inside their bodies.

Harry's scar is different. It is actually not part of him since it does not heal; any wound inflicted upon you, magical or not, should heal because of the natural ability of our bodies to heal itself. I know this is the same even the Potter Universe because he has gotten into many other frightful things, got himself bruised and those things healed. The scar on his hand from Umbridge's torture healed into a white scar.

So yeah, YOU ARE CONFUSED, and you just don't want to admit it, because you know I'm correct.

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Originally Posted by MJRevell

It's exactly the same theory; that something about, or in Harry is a horcrux - that it was created accidentally, and that he, Harry, will have to get rid of it before he vanquishes Voldemort.

On a side note: his scar is not a little containing object hanging on his head like a glass; it is part of him. If anything, it is a mark to show that he does indeed have some of Voldemorts soul in him, and it may well vanish if he removes the soul fragment.

We are agreed on one thing, i believe: if Harry has some Voldysoul in him, it was an accident. Harry didn't have the scar before the incident, so how can it, in itself contain a fragment of soul? How can it, in itself be a horcrux?

That's like saying: "I'm going to make a horcrux with this kettle. But, wait for it, will put my bit of soul right in that little bobble at the top of the lid!" It probably isn't even possible to get that specific when making horcruxes. Otherwise Voldemort no doubt would have put his soul in the last page of his diary, or Nagini's eye, so even if she dies, he can keep the eye, and his soul, safe.

Plus, Voldemort - though cunning - would have had to devise the rather far-fetched plan of creating a scar from scratch, placing it on Harry's head, and then putting some soul in it.

But for the sake of discussion, let's say this theory is correct; that Harry, or, if you insist, his scar, has a piece of Voldemort's soul in him. How, exactly, did it get there?

I think i remember you (or perhaps someone else) posting something about Voldemort's soul leaving his body, after the AK backfired on him, and that, because it was split, one piece sought out Harry, and the other ran away. Do you still believe this?

This whole thing shows how confused you are about Horcruxes in general. And no I wasn't the one that said that. Good theory though.

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Originally Posted by MJRevell

Because, i doubt very much a little piece of soul would seek out a body, and if it did it would be more possession than horcrux. And if this scenario did occur, then his soul would surely split into (at least) two other pieces - which would, on this logic, seek out a further two objects?

I think it is entirely plausible for Harry to be a horcrux - i can see both sides of the argument. I just don't think it will happen. In any case, i look forward to your (possible) gloating :P I can't promise any gloating if my assumptions end up being correct - but it will be interesting.

You bet! I will gloat, and you better be ready for it. I gloated in all the HP forums when JK dropped the bomb that Ron stays with Hermione, Harry goes with Ginny, and Dumbledore ends up dead. Yeah, those were my theories before HBP came out, and they all came true.

If my theories end up wrong, then I will not gloat, but I seriously doubt your theories are correct. There are too many loopholes in your theories.

So yeah, I will gloat!

Majimaune · 5th August 2006, 03:24 AM

Jees this thread has turned into one that is trying to determain what part of Harry or if he is at all, a horcrux.

edott · 5th August 2006, 04:13 AM

I keep hearing the harry potter is one rumour to, but i think that majimaune's list is probably correct.

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Originally Posted by Majimaune

Slytherins ring (destroyed)
The diary (destroyed)
Slytherins locket (destroyed)
Hufflepuff's cup
Something of Ravenclaw's
Voldemorts snake
Voldie himself.

The is nothing there of Griffindors because the only known things left are the Sorting Hat and the Sword.

orionsixwings · 5th August 2006, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by edott

I keep hearing the harry potter is one rumour to, but i think that majimaune's list is probably correct.

Is probably correct...though Nagini is not in my list, I don't close my doors on that possibility but there is just too many things against it.

Droid m · 5th September 2006, 04:52 PM

At the end of the half blodded prince a note is found in the locket that dumbledore and harry go to get. the note is from r.a.b i think. i think this is siris' brother who he mentions in the order of the phoenix. also when cleaning out grimmauld place they find a locket that they could not open in a cupboard i think this is the missing horcrux that should have been in the cave.

Joel007 · 5th September 2006, 04:56 PM

The cave horcrux was destroyed already wasn't it?

Droid m · 5th September 2006, 04:58 PM

I'll check the book, but i think its hidden not destroyed.

MJRevell · 5th September 2006, 06:24 PM

Yeah, the locket is one that we are made to believe is a horcrux. We don't know for sure whether it has been destroyed yet, RAB could have done it - but i think it is just going to be hidden; Harry will have to destroy it himself.

^jordy^ · 5th September 2006, 07:52 PM

I just wanted to share my opinion with you all. Don't you think that the horcruxes are similar to the One Ring in LOTR? It's a little suspicious, huh?

carrie221 · 5th September 2006, 09:22 PM

If I remember right the locket was hidden and maybe destroyed but no one knew for sure.

Adasunshine · 5th September 2006, 09:23 PM

Didn't the locket rear it's head in Order of the Phoenix when Kreacher or one of the Order was rummaging around in Sirius' house?

I think it's still out there, it's just a case of someone remembering where!

xx

^jordy^ · 5th September 2006, 11:35 PM

Is anyone going to answer me?

4th August 2006, 01:06 PM	#91 (permalink)
MJRevell Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 178	Re: Horcruxes. The remaining. Oh boy. I am not confused in the slightest - simply curious. How can you possibly say that Harry or his scar being a horcrux are different theories? It's exactly the same theory; that something about, or in Harry is a horcrux - that it was created accidentally, and that he, Harry, will have to get rid of it before he vanquishes Voldemort. On a side note: his scar is not a little containing object hanging on his head like a glass; it is part of him. If anything, it is a mark to show that he does indeed have some of Voldemorts soul in him, and it may well vanish if he removes the soul fragment. We are agreed on one thing, i believe: if Harry has some Voldysoul in him, it was an accident. Harry didn't have the scar before the incident, so how can it, in itself contain a fragment of soul? How can it, in itself be a horcrux? That's like saying: "I'm going to make a horcrux with this kettle. But, wait for it, will put my bit of soul right in that little bobble at the top of the lid!" It probably isn't even possible to get that specific when making horcruxes. Otherwise Voldemort no doubt would have put his soul in the last page of his diary, or Nagini's eye, so even if she dies, he can keep the eye, and his soul, safe. Plus, Voldemort - though cunning - would have had to devise the rather far-fetched plan of creating a scar from scratch, placing it on Harry's head, and then putting some soul in it. But for the sake of discussion, let's say this theory is correct; that Harry, or, if you insist, his scar, has a piece of Voldemort's soul in him. How, exactly, did it get there? I think i remember you (or perhaps someone else) posting something about Voldemort's soul leaving his body, after the AK backfired on him, and that, because it was split, one piece sought out Harry, and the other ran away. Do you still believe this? Because, i doubt very much a little piece of soul would seek out a body, and if it did it would be more possession than horcrux. And if this scenario did occur, then his soul would surely split into (at least) two other pieces - which would, on this logic, seek out a further two objects? I think it is entirely plausible for Harry to be a horcrux - i can see both sides of the argument. I just don't think it will happen. In any case, i look forward to your (possible) gloating :P I can't promise any gloating if my assumptions end up being correct - but it will be interesting.

4th August 2006, 01:32 PM	#92 (permalink)
Paradox 99 KenDodd'sDad'sDog'sDead Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 794	Re: Horcruxes. The remaining. Out of curiosity - how do the deatheaters get their marks? Presumablly Volde has some way of creating a magical mark like that, perhaps Harry's scar is something similar?

4th August 2006, 02:14 PM	#93 (permalink)
Joel007 Shiny! Let's be bad guys. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 1,747	Re: Horcruxes. The remaining. I doubt that rowling will ever deign to explain every little quirky detail. Unless there's loads of money in it Perhaps he who must not be named (not to be confused with he who must not be sneezed at) was less restricted in his research of new spells by his lack of conscience, and consequently was able to make spells no other wizard wanted to, or dared to, attempt

5th August 2006, 03:24 AM	#95 (permalink)
Majimaune Poncho equals happiness Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Australia, New South Wales Posts: 1,962	Re: Horcruxes. The remaining. Jees this thread has turned into one that is trying to determain what part of Harry or if he is at all, a horcrux.

5th September 2006, 04:52 PM	#98 (permalink)
Droid m Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: UK: ENGLAND: Posts: 2	Re: Horcruxes. The remaining. At the end of the half blodded prince a note is found in the locket that dumbledore and harry go to get. the note is from r.a.b i think. i think this is siris' brother who he mentions in the order of the phoenix. also when cleaning out grimmauld place they find a locket that they could not open in a cupboard i think this is the missing horcrux that should have been in the cave.

5th September 2006, 04:56 PM	#99 (permalink)
Joel007 Shiny! Let's be bad guys. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 1,747	Re: Horcruxes. The remaining. The cave horcrux was destroyed already wasn't it?

5th September 2006, 04:58 PM	#100 (permalink)
Droid m Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: UK: ENGLAND: Posts: 2	Re: Horcruxes. The remaining. I'll check the book, but i think its hidden not destroyed.

5th September 2006, 06:24 PM	#101 (permalink)
MJRevell Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 178	Re: Horcruxes. The remaining. Yeah, the locket is one that we are made to believe is a horcrux. We don't know for sure whether it has been destroyed yet, RAB could have done it - but i think it is just going to be hidden; Harry will have to destroy it himself.

5th September 2006, 07:52 PM	#102 (permalink)
^jordy^ Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bulgaria Posts: 17	Re: Horcruxes. The remaining. I just wanted to share my opinion with you all. Don't you think that the horcruxes are similar to the One Ring in LOTR? It's a little suspicious, huh?

5th September 2006, 09:22 PM	#103 (permalink)
carrie221 Darkness is my friend :) Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 711	Re: Horcruxes. The remaining. If I remember right the locket was hidden and maybe destroyed but no one knew for sure.

5th September 2006, 09:23 PM	#104 (permalink)
Adasunshine Daisy Toadfoot Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 936	Re: Horcruxes. The remaining. Didn't the locket rear it's head in Order of the Phoenix when Kreacher or one of the Order was rummaging around in Sirius' house? I think it's still out there, it's just a case of someone remembering where! xx

5th September 2006, 11:35 PM	#105 (permalink)
^jordy^ Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bulgaria Posts: 17	Re: Horcruxes. The remaining. Is anyone going to answer me?

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