28.13: Doomsday

[obcooke]

On further thought I have to say that whether Cybermen are supposed to be sucked through the wall is not clear.

On the one hand, The Doctor doesn't make any distinction between Dalek or Cybermen. He describes what is going to happen to anyone with Void stuff dripping off them. After all, The Doctor and Rose used the TARDIS, the Daleks used the Void Ship and the Cybermen used the breach to crossover. It doesn't seem logical that The Doctor, Rose and the Daleks would be sucked into the breach and not the Cybermen.

And in the visual shots it does appear that the Cybermen are vaccuumed from the surface of the Earth, not just dematerialized. It wouldn't be so confusing if they hadn't included that shot of the "ghosts" vanishing in place in the first episode, but they did.

BUT the shots of the building and room only show Daleks crossing over and it is physically impossible to pass 5 million Cybermen through that space in the time permitted.

SO who knows? It seems that they may have sacrificed any clarity for the sake of a good picture. After all, the sight of dozens of Cybermen being yanked into the air and swept away is much more dramatic than just disappearing. But it does confuse the issue about the method they are Void-ified.

[little smaug]

Sorry about that slip-up Dave, I wasn't thinking. *slaps wrist*

[Brit Chick]

OK - so the ending was a little bit mushy - taken in the context of the kind of Dr Who we've all grown up with back in the 70's and 80's but.......this is a different kind of Dr Who and in the grand scheme of things I was happy with it. This Doctor IS different from the others, his feelings for his companions are obvious, even down to explaining everything to Sarah Jane in the earlier ep, he clearly had the feelings there for her to. I'm not saying romantic feelings, but love - and thats ok with me.

There were some little nits and my husband said to me, what about the alternative Doctor, why wasn't he there and how could Torchwood have been created if that initial meeting with Queen Vicky didn't happen.

anyway, looking forward to the Christmas special, tho nearly fell of my chain when I realised it was Catherine Tate ! I love her shows - my problem is, looking so like her as I do, I get the catchphrases yelled at me all the time so in the end I just say them first!

[Dave]

Originally posted by obcooke
Remember the scene at the Taj Mahal when they all flew straight up and then turned to head what was presumably east.

Watching this again I didn't see it happen like that. Of course, if they were really to be pulled directly towards the Rift, they would be pulled into the Earth and through it. And the Daleks would not be sucked through the broken window, but just straight through the building at any point. It just looks better the other way.

Originally posted by Brit Chick
...my problem is, looking so like her as I do, I get the catchphrases yelled at me all the time so in the end I just say them first!

You look like Catherine Tate? I think we need to see photographic evidence!!

[Brit Chick]

Originally posted by Dave
You look like Catherine Tate? I think we need to see photographic evidence!!

I'll have to see what I can find !! I personally don't see the resemblence to the degree others do, fortunately I don't look like the Swearing old granny, or Lauren, more like the girl who always puts her foot in it at parties - come to think of it, that could be me anyway !!!!

I think CT will be good fun in the Christmas special

I've not seen a pic of the new companion yet but heard its someone who was killed off in an ep of the last series - is that right I wonder?

[Dave]

Originally posted by Brit Chick
I've not seen a pic of the new companion yet but heard its someone who was **************** - is that right I wonder?

Please don't talk about them here. There is a spoiler thread for it, but my assumption is that the Doctor will have no Companion in the next episode. That is just my own assumption. And there has been nothing to say there will be only one Companion, or how long they last, everything is just speculation - which I guess is allowed in this thread considering the Doctor has just lost his present Companion. I expect that the idea of showing Catherine Tate at the end was to produce speculation that she would be the next Companion.

[Brit Chick]

Fair enough !

I am off to post on the Third Series thread right now as I have found out some info

Will try my best to work out how to post it as a "blank" spoiler!

[obcooke]

[Originally posted by Brit Chick: Will try my best to work out how to post it as a "blank" spoiler!]

If you're in a spoiler thread, Brit Chick feel free to drop the spoiler tags entirely.

In the spoiler threads no info is barred, but you have to be prepared to find out things you might not want to know in advance.

Since the beginning, one of the things about Doctor Who that has kept me an avid fan is the surprises. So for me spoilers really are just that.

One of the worst moments of the new shows in my opinion was the first Cybermen episode when they put Cybermen in the title and then spent a half-hour being coy about showing them, as if they were building suspense about who was the bad guy. And don't get me started about "Dalek"! I hate when the show does its own spoilers.

I realize that everyone in the UK might know what's going to happen in big terms, but all of that buzz ends at the water's edge. I think that Doctor Who is the best show on television today but the rest of the world just hasn't picked up the hue & cry, yet.

I've seen too much of the same old formulas over and over again. I love Doctor Who because I don't know what's about to happen.

[Dave]

Originally posted by little smaug
Why did CyberYvonne keep her emotions when none of the other Cybermen did?

I still don't like the fact that is unexplained, but it must have something to do with the way she was repeating "I did my duty" as she got upgraded.

I've read that peoplr think it was because of her strong will. Do you think that is explanation enough?

[PTeppic]

It has reflections of Hans Zarkov in Flash Gordon (the movie) overcoming the Mongo mind control by repeating song lyrics and Shakespeare plays, and in ST:TOS (Spectre of the Gun) where Spock has all the party concentrate on believing that nothing is real... etc.

But, after all that, it doesn't quite add up...

[pyan]

Brilliant end to the series. Favourite bit? When the Daleks all took an involuntary step (?roll) backwards when Rose mentioned the Doctor. Superb.

[star.torturer]

yep that is a good bit

[Cobolt]

Did you also notice the black dalek instructing himself to timeshift and disappear before the rest were dragged into the nothing.....

That can mean only one thing, the daleks in one format or another will return...

[star.torturer]

they will always return, thats the secret of the darleks

[Robertbert]

I thought it was a fantastic episode...Oh and I had a tear in my eye aswell...So don't worry about it!!...

As for Billie's departure...RTD and co knew from the beginning of the second series' planning that Billie'd be going at the end...She'd decided to go at the end of the first series but they'd convinced her to carry on for one more as the departure of both Doctor and companion would have been too much of a shock to carry on from...