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Old 26th June 2006, 05:00 AM   #1 (permalink)
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monolith and proportion (9/5)

I read all of the Arthur C. Clarke books some while back, I forget the proportions of the monolith, but I have found a proportion in nature that makes me think so much of the Odyssey series, that I thought I might post it here. It involves humans, water, silver, gold, the moon, the sun, the air, jupiter, saturn, and callisto. The calculations can be verified at my blog (you can e-mail me for the url).

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The Extraordinary Cosmic Mystery (9/5)

Tuesday, 20. June 2006, 15:27:23
cosmic wonder, nine fifths, transition ratio
The most extraordinary of my findings in my opinion is the occurence of the proportion of 9 to 5 in nature. I have found that:

1. If we compare the mass of air to the mass of water and increase that by a factor of the human body temperature to the freezing temperature of water, we get a value that is 9 compared to 5, which is 1.8.

2. If we compare the mass of an atom of gold to an atom of silver, it is 9 compared to 5 (comparing their molar masses).

3. If we compare the radius of the sun, that is the distance from its center to its surface, to the distance from the center of the earth to the center of the moon, it is 9 compared to five.

9 compared to 5 is nine fifths (9/5) which is equal to 1.8

I have now glanced at my data tables and find that if we take the distance of the planet Jupiter to the sun as 9, then the distance to the planet Saturn from the sun is five. In fact this way of measuring distances puts the earth exactly at 1 unit from the sun. This is interesting, because Juptiter and Saturn, aside from being the "middle children" of the solar system, planets 5 and 6 of a planetary family of 9 or 10 depending on whether or not you consider the asteroid belt a planet that did not form, and anything found beyond pluto a planetoid, these planets carry the majority of mass of the solar system, significantly, and thus embody most of the dyanamics of its formation.

It is further intriguing that air, which I define as the molar weight of the percent of diatomic nitrogen molecules plus the percent of diatomic oxygen molecules at ground level, (nitrogen and oxygen atoms naturally occur as paired atoms) the value is the same considering the perecent mass of nitrogen and oxygen in the entire atmosphere because they are the same exact percentages as the percent of diatomic particles at ground level. That is the atmosphere is 21% oxygen and 78% nitrogen by mass and the diatomic oxygen (O2) by number of particles at ground level is 78.7% and (N2) is 21.3% as reported in 1982 in the Handbook of Space Astronomy and Astrophysics by Martin V. Zombeck, Cambridge University Press. These levels of nitrogen and oxygen corresepond to levels that are a result of nature's natural regulation process, before we interupted the cycles of substance regeneration by burning fossil fuels in a way that saturates natures ability to handle the by-products. It would be further interesting, and important to note that the earth naturally is trying to attain a quarter oxygen, three quarters nitrogen exactly in percent of diatomic particles at ground level.

Why is all of this significant? The idea that 9/5 is emobodied at the microlevel, that is in the masses of atoms of gold and silver, which is related to stellar evolution, the elements were made, forged by the stars, under their gravity, in that furnace whose dynamics are ultimately connected to geometry that was born in the explosion that gave birth to the universe, and is connected to the human body temperature, something regulated by biological processes that took place over billions of years of evolution, and the freezing temperature of water, so crucial to life, and the mass of water. While the same ratio is embodied at the macrolevel, the proportions of the solar radius and lunar orbital distance which was born by the universe's angluar momentum, which is about as complicated as the patterns formed by bubbles in a bath tub swirled by the running water.

All of these factors that form these proportions, so dispartely distant in their origins, and so much at the crux of man's awareness down through the ages in poetry, and mysticism, turn out to be related at the most cosmic of levels in a precise emperical way that could only be known today with our telescopes and chemical laboratories, they point to a cosmos that is trying to tell us something significant is happening and that we are a part of something deeply mysterious.

It is worth noting that the natural satellite of Jupiter, Callisto, is 9/5 the density of water.

It is also worth noting that 9/5 is a seventh chord, or transition ratio.

calculation of air: Air=2[(16.00)(0.21)+(14.01)(0.78)]=28.5756

using molar masses of oxygen and nitrogen, and their percent concentration by mass or percentages of diatomic particles at ground level (the two are the same).

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I further find it interesting that Jupiter, the largest planet in the solar system is the fifth planet out of a total of nine planets, another emphasis on 9/5 in the most basic of ways, in nature.
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I have now glanced at my data tables and find that if we take the distance of the planet Jupiter to the sun as 9, then the distance to the planet Saturn from the sun is five. In fact this way of measuring distances puts the earth exactly at 1 unit from the sun.
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I have now glanced at my data tables and find that if we take the distance of the planet Saturn to the sun as 9, then the distance to the planet Jupiter from the sun is five. In fact this way of measuring distances puts the earth exactly at 1 unit from the sun.
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Re: monolith and proportion (9/5)

Yes, this has long been the standard measurement for one AU (astronomical unit), the distance being approximately 93 million miles. The term was first used ca. 1900-1905.
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Yes, this has long been the standard measurement for one AU (astronomical unit), the distance being approximately 93 million miles. The term was first used ca. 1900-1905.
That is right. The funny thing is that I found this 9/5 in allot of places with allot of work, and all along my data tables were in astronomical units, and I never saw the interesting aspect of it in Saturn and Jupiter putting the earth at one unit until recently, even though it was right there free of calculation.
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I should note that Saturn and Jupiter at 9 and 5 units from the sun are not their average distances, but their closest approach to the sun, respectively, the earth always nearly one due to its nearly circular orbit.
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Re: monolith and proportion (9/5)

If I recall correctly, the proportions of the monolith were 1 x 4 x 9, (one squared by two squared by three squared). I could look it up on the internet, I suppose, but that's the way I remember it.
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If I recall correctly, the proportions of the monolith were 1 x 4 x 9, (one squared by two squared by three squared). I could look it up on the internet, I suppose, but that's the way I remember it.
I just looked it up on the internet, you are right, those are the proportions. I guess you could say that the one plus four is the five, and nine is already there.
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