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fallenstar · 21st December 2003, 06:58 AM

As you may know, if you read my profile, I am from China(and immagranted to Canada). Well, you all should know then, of my opinion. But I want to hear what the Western common people say of this matter, not the official story. Personally, I am tired of Americans playing this card. I want to hear some opinions without the White House's political concerns. Feel free to talk! I wouldn't be angery if you say Taiwan should be independant, and all Commuinists are evil(although I do think that's a bit judgemental), that Americans should nuke China.

So let's hear what you think!

I, Brian · 21st December 2003, 11:15 AM

I don't think you'll get people here saying that the USA should nuke China!! Hopefully this is a more mature forum than that.

As for Taiwan itself - I have to admit to not knowing too many details. However, no matter how the country wishes to view itself, it does remain politically locked between China and the USA. In diplomatic terms, the issue of "official" independence appears to have a pointless futility - I'm sure I read about the USA getting very uncomfortable about more recent comments from the island - namely of a referendum next year on the issue. I think there's a lot of concern about disrupting an already tenuous political balance.

littlemissattitude · 21st December 2003, 08:16 PM

Good Lord, no! Of course the U.S. should not nuke China. Nobody should nuke anybody. Ever.

As as far as the Taiwan issue goes, I think that should be left up to the people of Taiwan. It isn't anyone else's business - not even the mainland Chinese.

And on Communism - all it is, is just another economic system. Probably, in the long run, no more or less evil than Capitalism, which has its own set of problems and injustices. I think the problem that most people who do not live under Communism have with Communist systems in general are the political and human rights ramifications that seem to come up. It seems that in many cases, Communist regimes have a problem with people expressing opinions different from that of the leadership. I don't think that is right - if I disagree with my leaders I should be free to express that disagreement without fearing imprisonment or other punishment.

Now, I'm not saying that this cannot happen in Capitalist regimes as well. Obviously, South Africa's former regime (under apartheid) was not Communist in any way, shape, or form, but any freedom to speak was seriously curtailed there. However, the historical record seems to show that such curtailment doesn't happen as often or as severely in Capitalist regimes. At least, here in the States, it is still possible to express disagreement with the administration without being punished. How much longer this will be true is anybody's guess, what with people like Ashcroft and Cheney around, but my guess is that if it really comes down to it we won't give up our freedom of speech without some sort of fight. And if I'm wrong about that, we probably deserve what we get.

fallenstar · 23rd December 2003, 01:51 AM

Of course no........no one should nuke anyone else.......I just gave that as an example to show that you could express different opinions.

As for the Communist, I believe it is just a concept of how the society should work. Infact, according to the REAL communism theory, all democratic countries right now in the world such as Canada are more communist than even China itself. You see, the purpose of Communist is to make everyone have equal rights, equal income, and equal benefits, so that the ultimate perfect society is that no one is richer than others, nor poorer. Let's make Canada for example. In Canada, if you earn more, you pay more tax, and those taxes were used to benefit the poor, so the difference between the Rich and Poor were not that great, since both can live with ease(for the lower-income, their taxes will be returned, and they got more benefits). The problem with the understanding of Communism is that the West,starting from the Cold War, defined Communism as the dicatorship, as one against the democracy.
For the problem of Taiwan, I think they were trying to keep their hard-earned democracy, it is not wrong. The problem is that they threatened to be independant. Right now, the official name of Taiwan(among theirselves)is the Republic of China, including Taiwan, Mainland China, and Mongolia, while People's Republic of China claiming Taiwan, and of course occupied Mainland. The whole thing start with the conflict of the Communist Party, and the Kuo-ming Tang, or translated(by me) the National Party(or something close to it).The Kuoming Tang got defeated and fled to Taiwan. So basically everyone is claiming on the same territory. It's just that simple, and now it became complicated........

21st December 2003, 06:58 AM	#1 (permalink)
fallenstar The Sun in Splendour Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 137	Taiwan Straits As you may know, if you read my profile, I am from China(and immagranted to Canada). Well, you all should know then, of my opinion. But I want to hear what the Western common people say of this matter, not the official story. Personally, I am tired of Americans playing this card. I want to hear some opinions without the White House's political concerns. Feel free to talk! I wouldn't be angery if you say Taiwan should be independant, and all Commuinists are evil(although I do think that's a bit judgemental), that Americans should nuke China. So let's hear what you think!

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21st December 2003, 11:15 AM	#2 (permalink)
I, Brian Admin and Tea-boy Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 5,405 Blog Entries: 1	I don't think you'll get people here saying that the USA should nuke China!! Hopefully this is a more mature forum than that. As for Taiwan itself - I have to admit to not knowing too many details. However, no matter how the country wishes to view itself, it does remain politically locked between China and the USA. In diplomatic terms, the issue of "official" independence appears to have a pointless futility - I'm sure I read about the USA getting very uncomfortable about more recent comments from the island - namely of a referendum next year on the issue. I think there's a lot of concern about disrupting an already tenuous political balance.

21st December 2003, 08:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
littlemissattitude Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,361 Blog Entries: 8	Good Lord, no! Of course the U.S. should not nuke China. Nobody should nuke anybody. Ever. As as far as the Taiwan issue goes, I think that should be left up to the people of Taiwan. It isn't anyone else's business - not even the mainland Chinese. And on Communism - all it is, is just another economic system. Probably, in the long run, no more or less evil than Capitalism, which has its own set of problems and injustices. I think the problem that most people who do not live under Communism have with Communist systems in general are the political and human rights ramifications that seem to come up. It seems that in many cases, Communist regimes have a problem with people expressing opinions different from that of the leadership. I don't think that is right - if I disagree with my leaders I should be free to express that disagreement without fearing imprisonment or other punishment. Now, I'm not saying that this cannot happen in Capitalist regimes as well. Obviously, South Africa's former regime (under apartheid) was not Communist in any way, shape, or form, but any freedom to speak was seriously curtailed there. However, the historical record seems to show that such curtailment doesn't happen as often or as severely in Capitalist regimes. At least, here in the States, it is still possible to express disagreement with the administration without being punished. How much longer this will be true is anybody's guess, what with people like Ashcroft and Cheney around, but my guess is that if it really comes down to it we won't give up our freedom of speech without some sort of fight. And if I'm wrong about that, we probably deserve what we get.

23rd December 2003, 01:51 AM	#4 (permalink)
fallenstar The Sun in Splendour Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 137	Of course no........no one should nuke anyone else.......I just gave that as an example to show that you could express different opinions. As for the Communist, I believe it is just a concept of how the society should work. Infact, according to the REAL communism theory, all democratic countries right now in the world such as Canada are more communist than even China itself. You see, the purpose of Communist is to make everyone have equal rights, equal income, and equal benefits, so that the ultimate perfect society is that no one is richer than others, nor poorer. Let's make Canada for example. In Canada, if you earn more, you pay more tax, and those taxes were used to benefit the poor, so the difference between the Rich and Poor were not that great, since both can live with ease(for the lower-income, their taxes will be returned, and they got more benefits). The problem with the understanding of Communism is that the West,starting from the Cold War, defined Communism as the dicatorship, as one against the democracy. For the problem of Taiwan, I think they were trying to keep their hard-earned democracy, it is not wrong. The problem is that they threatened to be independant. Right now, the official name of Taiwan(among theirselves)is the Republic of China, including Taiwan, Mainland China, and Mongolia, while People's Republic of China claiming Taiwan, and of course occupied Mainland. The whole thing start with the conflict of the Communist Party, and the Kuo-ming Tang, or translated(by me) the National Party(or something close to it).The Kuoming Tang got defeated and fled to Taiwan. So basically everyone is claiming on the same territory. It's just that simple, and now it became complicated........