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| The Fifth Head of Cerberus (caution: spoilers!) Here's a piece I wrote several years ago on Wolfe's The Fifth Head of Cerberus. I never did find out if I'd solved the book's puzzle correctly... Quote:
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| Re: The Fifth Head of Cerberus (caution: spoilers!) Awsome some really nice points there ^_^ I am studying this book at school and your writing has helped me prepare notes a bit. Im still unsure on what I could write the essay on though without re-telling the story too much. Also to add to it. · Marsch says he has an injured hand; “As you see, my hand is still bad; I do not think it will ever be right again, although it looks healthy and there is no scar. I have trouble holding onto things” Page 244. This adds to the fact he might be an aborigine, it was said aborigines could not write well as they lacked movement and skill in their hand. It also fits well as he seems to have a bad hand “after” the boy supposedly dies however this would just be VRT taking Marsches place and he cant write well. Oh yeah and I think the version i have is a little different so some of the pages are different. |
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| Re: The Fifth Head of Cerberus (caution: spoilers!) One very salient point, that I found to be central to the whole work, is the matter of the "drug" that the abos chew in their mouths in order to "be like gods". I cannot remember the exact references made, but I got the distinct feeling somehow that possibly this substance WAS the shadow children, and that the only distinction was those who chewed it, somehow granting it life through them, vis a vie those who did not. The substance in effect being a catalyst to an altered state of consciousness, where the Old Wise One can exist. This thought really tickled my fancy, can anyone remember more specifics about when the drug was mentioned? This also raises pleasing parallels to both the Alzabo and the Inhumi (who lived on two sister-worlds, one green, one blue). Has anyone delved deeper into the possibilty that this work may be set in the same place as Short Sun, but in a time vastly predating it? Or vastly succeeding it, if somehow Briah is cyclical in nature... |
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| Re: The Fifth Head of Cerberus (caution: spoilers!) Actually No, that had not occurred to me before. I have some additional texts/notes including the latest edition of Lexicon Urthus, so I should probably see if I can find any refernces or links to what you are suggesting. Then again we could always write to Mr. Wolfe to see if he would be so kind as to furnish us mere mortals with an answer.... |
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Still, its great to have an SF novel (a genre that makes much of explanation) that's such an outright enigma. David Lynch would do a great film of it! | |
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| Re: The Fifth Head of Cerberus (caution: spoilers!) I got and read the book a long time ago, and now feel motivated to read it again. I haven't read your piece, Iansales, will read 5th Head first! |
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| Re: The Fifth Head of Cerberus (caution: spoilers!) Sorry to bring up such an old thread, but I just finished "5th Head" and thought it was fantastic! I think along the lines of iansales, but with a twist. Towards the end of "V.R.T." the narration blurs ... sometimes it is clearly Marsch writing, other times it switches without warning to the perspective of the boy, still from the first person. (As, for example, when the narrator reminisces about his father rowing a boat ... this person is clearly V.R.T.'s father, not Marsch's). I think that, after sufficient study and practice at imitation (we know that V.R.T. at least gives a spot-on impression of Dr. Hagsmith, and opined in one scene about "wanting to become an anthropologist") the boy took the opportunity to kill Marsch, take on his appearance, and then attempt to blend back into society as an anthropologist recently returned from the field. There are a few other reasons to think this. Marsch would most likely have personally visited the father to give the news of the boy's death, and probably would have offered some sort of compensation / condolences. Instead, Marsch simply sends a message ... I think this is because the boy, disguised as Marsch, would still be recognizable to the father somehow. There is also, in the first story, the narrator's picking out that Marsch is an abo. This puts Marsch off-guard ... perhaps it was one of the first times someone had noticed something was off? Alternate detail: It is possible that Marsch died accidentally (even in the way described ... falling from a stone ledge), and the boy took advantage of his death and simply hid the body, and took on Marsch's appearance. The boy didn't seem to bear Marsch any ill-will, and they seemed to have become friends. Anyways, I will post more when I think of more ... but I think that there are enough narrative clues to deduce that the abo boy switched places with Marsch after Marsch died, and tried to take on his role upon returning to civilization. Edit: The other thing is this: the expedition took three years. This is plenty of time for the abo boy to pick up Marsch's mannerisms, speech patterns, and personal information. Furthermore, that is three years of learning about anthropology from Marsch himself, and reading the various books on the topic thaat they brought. This seems to me sufficient time for the boy to have enough information to fake being Marsch. Remember also that this "idea" of identity replacement is alluded to in the very first story; the boy in the first story contemplates the specifics of replacing his father after killing him, and what sorts of lighting / appearance modifications would be necessary to assume his father's role and make his appearance convincing to visitors. Edit 2: I was right! Here is an excerpt from an interview that Wolfe gave: "'A Story,' by John V. Marsch, yes, which is not actually written by John V. Marsch, but by the shadowchild who has replaced John V. Marsch. (laughs) That's New Wave. But belonging to a literary movement doesn't consist so much in using a certain set of techniques, as it consists in running with a certain set of people, and only to a very small degree did I run with that set of people. So as I said, I would be very peripheral as a New Wave writer. Last edited by Kierkegaurdian; 2nd August 2011 at 03:52 PM. |
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I remember reading an interview in which Wolfe specifically denied that the "Blue" and "Green" planets of the Short Sun series were Saint Croix and Saint Anne. I will try and dig it up. | |
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| Re: The Fifth Head of Cerberus (caution: spoilers!) With some help from the Urth List, I found out that I had been mixing up two different interviews. Wolfe never denies that Green and Blue are the same as Saints Croix and Anne, but whether they are actually the same is up in the air. If they are, the stories would separated by millions of years. |
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| Re: The Fifth Head of Cerberus (caution: spoilers!) ... which reminds me of the one thing that bothers me about TBOTNS. Set in a time (red sun) when no life could exist on Earth. A small point though... |
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| Re: The Fifth Head of Cerberus (caution: spoilers!) I just finished reading this book, and was completely blown away by its artfulness and subtlety. It makes me want to read everything Gene Wolfe has ever written. I appreciate you sharing your essay (now 5 1/2 years ago, bet you never thought people would keep posting on it intermittently this long). Maybe I'll write one myself sometime - but in the meantime I'll certainly be evangelizing the book heavily. |
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